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 NO2s... Anyone heard that using to much glutamine with a NO2, can diminish the effects? I know that ephedrine will, but glutamine? Interested in opinions or facts? got protein?
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Youngbuck

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 | QUOTE (JAB @ Feb 9 2004, 02:09 PM) | NO2s... Anyone heard that using to much glutamine with a NO2, can diminish the effects? I know that ephedrine will, but glutamine? Interested in opinions or facts?
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In my opinion... you don't need NO2. Or glutamine. However, according to the research I've seen at least, glutamine would have the potential to negate the effect, by blunting eNOS activity. Not sure how significant this effect is though.
David Tolson
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 | QUOTE (Jay-Win @ Feb 9 2004, 09:35 PM) | | Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage? |
Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.
David Tolson
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 I've just began using BSN Nitrix and its directions specifically recommend not exceeding 10g glutamine per day, which is about what I'm getting from my whey protein supplement. Hope this helps and good luck!
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 I contacted BSN during my first bottle of Nitrix and the rep confirmed that they recommend lowering glutamine consumption according to label directions because "glutamine is a scavanger and it negates the effects of NO". I got great results from Nitrix, however if you're planning on using any NO enhancer then do some research to determine if the results are worth the risks especially if you have a form of Herpes.
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 | QUOTE (shpongled @ Feb 10 2004, 12:14 AM) | | QUOTE (Jay-Win @ Feb 9 2004, 09:35 PM) | | Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage? |
Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.
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A couple of labs are attempting to figure out the role of NO in skeletal muscle hypertrophy. That's not to say that ingesting NO precursors will have any ergogenic effect upon that hypertrophy but hypertrophy and NOS expression/activity definately seem show some correlation. Dr. Tidball's lab seem to have done a bit more than Dr. Criswell on the subject but Dr. Criswell should have submitted another article by now, I think (saw him talk a lil while ago). Dr. Criswell's article has a few decent links to NO/hypertrophy articles and Dr. Tidball's is a bit newer for more recent stuff. Again, while they may be correlated, it's yet to be proven that administration of NO precursors, which are also used in the simple removal of ammonia during workouts, will definatively produce any ergogenic effects (at least, to the best of my knowledge...feel free to correct me  ). Involvement of nitric oxide synthase in skeletal muscle adaptation to chronic overload.Expression of a muscle-specific, nitric oxide synthase transgene prevents muscle membrane injury and reduces muscle inflammation during modified muscle use in mice.
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 | QUOTE (Cylus @ Feb 10 2004, 02:08 PM) | | QUOTE (shpongled @ Feb 10 2004, 12:14 AM) | | QUOTE (Jay-Win @ Feb 9 2004, 09:35 PM) | | Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage? |
Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.
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A couple of labs are attempting to figure out the role of NO in skeletal muscle hypertrophy. That's not to say that ingesting NO precursors will have any ergogenic effect upon that hypertrophy but hypertrophy and NOS expression/activity definately seem show some correlation. Dr. Tidball's lab seem to have done a bit more than Dr. Criswell on the subject but Dr. Criswell should have submitted another article by now, I think (saw him talk a lil while ago). Dr. Criswell's article has a few decent links to NO/hypertrophy articles and Dr. Tidball's is a bit newer for more recent stuff. Again, while they may be correlated, it's yet to be proven that administration of NO precursors, which are also used in the simple removal of ammonia during workouts, will definatively produce any ergogenic effects (at least, to the best of my knowledge...feel free to correct me  ). Involvement of nitric oxide synthase in skeletal muscle adaptation to chronic overload.Expression of a muscle-specific, nitric oxide synthase transgene prevents muscle membrane injury and reduces muscle inflammation during modified muscle use in mice. |
The problem is, even after all the signalling mechanisms are figured out, it will still not be clear if the product will actually function, in vivo, as it does in theory - so I think it is best to remain skeptical until results are shown in a clinical study in the appropriate population (resistance training humans).
David Tolson
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 | QUOTE (shpongled @ Feb 10 2004, 02:19 PM) | | QUOTE (Cylus @ Feb 10 2004, 02:08 PM) | | QUOTE (shpongled @ Feb 10 2004, 12:14 AM) | | QUOTE (Jay-Win @ Feb 9 2004, 09:35 PM) | | Does nitric oxide really work? like make your muscles pump or is that just garbage? |
Assuming the products are effective at increasing NO, it will cause vasodilation which will make your veins pop out, but this doesn't necessarily equate to a real increase in size/strength.
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A couple of labs are attempting to figure out the role of NO in skeletal muscle hypertrophy. That's not to say that ingesting NO precursors will have any ergogenic effect upon that hypertrophy but hypertrophy and NOS expression/activity definately seem show some correlation. Dr. Tidball's lab seem to have done a bit more than Dr. Criswell on the subject but Dr. Criswell should have submitted another article by now, I think (saw him talk a lil while ago). Dr. Criswell's article has a few decent links to NO/hypertrophy articles and Dr. Tidball's is a bit newer for more recent stuff. Again, while they may be correlated, it's yet to be proven that administration of NO precursors, which are also used in the simple removal of ammonia during workouts, will definatively produce any ergogenic effects (at least, to the best of my knowledge...feel free to correct me  ). Involvement of nitric oxide synthase in skeletal muscle adaptation to chronic overload.Expression of a muscle-specific, nitric oxide synthase transgene prevents muscle membrane injury and reduces muscle inflammation during modified muscle use in mice. |
The problem is, even after all the signalling mechanisms are figured out, it will still not be clear if the product will actually function, in vivo, as it does in theory - so I think it is best to remain skeptical until results are shown in a clinical study in the appropriate population (resistance training humans).
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*nods* I was merely pointing out that NOS may have some function other than vasodialation during hypertrophy, not that there is necessarily any benefit from oral NO precursor administration. I am, by no means, a fanboi of NO products
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 i started with a bottle or NO2 by MRI, then switched to pinnacle's brand. noticed more intense pumps, and a strange fatloss effect. it seemed that carbs were being shuttled into muscle cells at a rate/amount greater than normal. so i ate carbs, lost fat, and had great pumps (none of that perpetual pump crap, though). however, i have heard a ton of negative feedback about this stuff. i agree with max, i think it's a supp that is effective only on an individual basis... try it, but if the general consensus is anything to go by, don't expect much.
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