Phenibut and motivation/disinhibition

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Posted by: gravol Oct 26 2004, 09:35 PM

[PRODUCT]1042[/PRODUCT] I recently took GHB and GBL for social interaction. I am very sensitive to a lot of drugs but never found benzos to do much other than promote sleep and reduce anxiety. I read that in mice Phenibut promotes social interaction. I also read that a beer + phenibut can lead to easy-flowing conversation and mood elevation.

My question to you guys is two-fold: Does phenibut truly elevate mood like GHB does (or at least to a degree)? And does phenibut (whether by itself or in combination with any other supplement or drug) induce disinhibition or motivation?

I know it is an anxiolytic, and I also know its long effects and hangovers, but I am looking for a substitute of G. I've studied up on this substance and time after time I've read that phenibut+beer is the closest sensation to G you'll find. I also hear L-theanine can boost this effect. Euphoria is not necessarily what I'm looking for - instead it is that "high on life" feeling and extra confidence.

Is there something I'm missing or am I on the right track? Is there anything more promising? I have several documents on how to convert readily made substances to GBL and I know a lot of chemists on the 'net trying to convert GABA (only foolproof method is when you die - enzymes in your blood convert GABA to GHB - I have the studies in PDF format if any are interested). Anyway, despite the prolonged effects and hangover I will give it a try. Any input is much appreciated!

grav

Posted by: Brandon Gaither Oct 27 2004, 12:10 AM

QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 26 2004, 09:35 PM)

[PRODUCT]1042[/PRODUCT]

My question to you guys is two-fold: Does phenibut truly elevate mood like GHB does (or at least to a degree)? And does phenibut (whether by itself or in combination with any other supplement or drug) induce disinhibition or motivation?

Absolutely. The first few days taking phenibut I was on cloud 9. I felt amazing, euphoric even, talking to people I didn't even know. Not only that but my motivation was enhanced because I had such improved "mental energy." The problem with phenibut is that tolerance develops very quickly. I still take a low-moderate dose everyday but the results are nowhere near what they were the first couple of days. However, I can still feel the subtle affects, it helps with anxiety and makes me more talkative and elevates mood. If I could only feel everyday like I did on those first few days of phenibut I would praise this stuff as the second coming.

Posted by: Max32 Oct 28 2004, 12:42 AM

QUOTE (Brandon Gaither @ Oct 27 2004, 12:10 AM)

QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 26 2004, 09:35 PM)

it is good in the initial times, but like G, c'mon now

People are looking for things now to help with the tolerance issue. I will be trying something soon, and report back to yall the effects as they are seen (hopefully)

Posted by: USMC MUSTANG Oct 28 2004, 12:55 AM

MAN, why oh why did they take "G" away from us? I have read a lot of reviews and posts, and none of them said that GABBA was anywhere near GHB. I read about the lethargic feeling in the mornings and lack of intensity. can anyone else compare this to GHB or reveal a new replacement that works just like "G"

Posted by: gravol Oct 28 2004, 01:47 AM

Perhaps he meant phenibut+beer? I've read on Usenet that it is the best intoxicated feeling one could find, though I have no idea if the person reporting that had ever tried GHB+beer

I am starting to get emails, however, from people who take phenibut on a somewhat-regular basis who say it helps immensely with socialization, mood enhancement, etc... I also plan to collect a complete list of user reports concerning this substance and post them on Usenet to alt.drugs.ghb. I encourage anyone who has tried both G and phenibut to post their analysis here.

I run a research chemical group and have documentation on converting certain chemicals to GBL. Also, when we die, enzymes in our blood and urine convert GABA to GHB (documented in one of the many full-text PDFs I have on G research). Perhaps there is a chemical out there that can metabolize into GHB inside the body like GBL does, even if one cannot effectively make GHB with the chemical.

Anyway, hope to hear from you soon.

grav

Posted by: Kow Oct 28 2004, 02:35 AM

This may not be a totally accurate answer to your question, but in my experience, phenibut's anti-anxiety effects are mood-elevating in themselves for me. Mood has never been a problem, but I do have problems with anxiety, and the frustrations from those will often piss me off.

Now, beer + phenibut is awesome. For some reason, if I drink while using phenibut, I'll feel mainly the phenibut and beer separately (drunk + extra anxiety relief)...but when I wake up the next morning, after 10-12 hours of the most awesome sleep ever, I'll have this really weird buzz. It's not incapacitating at all; in fact, I can think very clearly, concentrate, etc. but I'm still fucked up. I guess it's just like all the positive aspects of beer without the negatives.

In all, phenibut has become one of my favorite supplements ever.

Posted by: gravol Oct 28 2004, 03:19 AM

Well, I like my own space. I'm an artist and home body at times but I strive for increased socialization. GHB brought me true mood elevation and disinhibition without the altered judgment that alcohol brought (alcohol just makes me more relaxed but just as lazy).... true, GHB never helped with creativity like other substances, but I already have the creativity down pat. Just looking for a chemical to get me to be active - go out to the beach (which I live right by), talk to strangers (especially beautiful women), and be comfortable giving speeches in my college classes. I've tried benzos but they don't motivate me to actually start conversations - I'm all about communication.

If anyone is interested joining my research chemical discussion group (several years in the making) please email me at FLjeffbeach@bellsouth.net. There are several chemists, laywers, and other professionals on there (roughly 300 members) , and even though they are geared toward psychedelics I hope to promote research in the GABA/GHB field to find a legal alternative or a chemical like GBL that can metabolize at least into GHB.

One of the most interesting things I found was that strawberries contain a GBL analogue (furanone as GBL is widely known) that possibly metabolize into a GHB analogue in the body - nice trivia but far from any actual experiments.

Being someone who suffers slightly from social anxiety disorder, OCD, and depression I think there is something we can do to promote research in this field, and I definitely look forward to giving phenibut a try.

Posted by: Steaky Oct 28 2004, 06:41 AM

This all sounds very interesting indeed. My use would certainly be of the more recreational variety.

Kow - can you tell me how much you take before going on the beers? Does it have a powerful taste?

Posted by: Kow Oct 28 2004, 11:29 AM

Steaky, I capped it so I didn't have to taste it. However, when I DID taste it...

It's pretty bad. Not as bad as piracetam or ALCAR (to me at least), but still pretty rough. I'd definitely recommend capping it.

I experimented with fairly high doses; the first time out, I took probably around 3g maybe 3-4 hours beforehand and another 2.4-3g just before we got to the place. That was probably too much, really. I'd recommend around 2-3g an hour or so beforehand.

Posted by: The Reporter Oct 28 2004, 02:03 PM

Phenibut, IMO, is one of the closest substances to G I have ever taken. When the GBL ban took effect, a few companies came out with SOLAR WATER and Renewtrient II, etc. and they were completely useless.

I tried Phenibut a few weeks ago and, yeah, it's close. Especially the high does I was taking. Mood elevation, creativity, and sex drive, was very close to G. And this is a few days of beginning M1T.

I did have to stop usage and haven't taken it since because of my proneness to addiction and the hangover. With G there is no hangover, but Phenibut, I would wake up the next morning and still be buzzing. I can't do that with my job. So tried to just take it on weekends and even if I stopped on Saturday night, by Monday I still felt the effects.

I have read that tolerances built up, and I was actually waiting for a tolerance to it but it never happened. The one difference to G is that it did not induce a deep sleep for me. It helped me sleep well, but not a comatose-type of sleep like G used to.

So is it a good legal alternative? I would say definitely. I have never mixed it with alcohol because of abstaining from it due to my M1T cycle.

Has anyone who has taken it ever felt like their driving could be impaired?Technically, I would think you could be arrested for a DWAI but not for DUI alcohol. At least if you took a blood test, it would not show up. But what about testing for it like excessive level of GABA? Is that even possible? Just a thought.

Posted by: Max32 Oct 28 2004, 02:20 PM

to my knowledge, there is not even a test that can be done for GHB, even in an ER. Unfortunately, I have had to deal with this situation twice with a friend who took too much, and a girlfriend who was drugged at a new years party

Talk about angry, the doctor accused me of it after I had been balling my eyes out in the waiting room for 3 hours or so. I calmly picked him up with my hand around his throat (like the Predator on Arnold in the movie) and put him against the wall asking if he really thought I wanted to kill the girl I was going to marry........ He ran for the cops, nurses hid me, friend picked me up shortly after b4 I got caught. What a great story......

back to the point, they will not be able to test excessive levels of ghb, gbl, phen, gaba, etc...

Posted by: USMC MUSTANG Oct 29 2004, 01:21 AM

Sounds like everyone likes the stuff, but there is still mention of Hangovers??? "G" never caused a hangover. Some are saying you have to drink beer with it. The whole purpose of the "G" was so you did not have to drink alcohol while on a cycle. What about the sexual advantages of "G"??? I could go all night and stay rock hard for hours with the "good stuff" It used to make you Superman, (but look out if you took too much. You would pass out before you got it goin.) I had a friend whose girlfriend left him but ass naked on the living room floor because he drank too much and passed out on her. His room mate came home and there he was on the sheet rock hard. She didn't even put a blanket on him.

What about working out. It would give me insane pumps if I drank it prior to a workout. The perfect coctail was a cap of "G" in a protien shake with a Thermodrine. Of course the right supplements were a big help as well.

Basically, there was sooooo much advantage to GHB that GABA does not produce.

Hopefully the research will prevail and we will have another genius develop a precursor we can use before it is taken away again.

Posted by: gravol Oct 31 2004, 12:44 AM

test...tried to post a new topic but didn't go thru.

Posted by: Saber41194 Oct 31 2004, 11:22 AM

i took 4 caps of Relax-All (Phenibut+other thing) befor sleeping to promote sleep and well being .

This thing is my first experience with phenibut.
i have been under very heavy stresfull anxiety situation for 5 month till now i was unable to get restfull sleep.
This thing make sleep like a baby.

i found a great relife in the use phenibut+taurine.
My heart arythmia induced by long stressfull situation & EC stack has totaly gone.

i wake up and i feel relaxed all the day more than using ZMA+tribulus.

prety nice product. I hate anti-axyty drug because after a short use they fuck up my sleep.

depresion has gone i feel so good. use it and take ur life back !!

Posted by: gravol Oct 31 2004, 05:01 PM

Hi Saber, did it increase motivation/disinhibition for you in any way? Or was it more like diazepam (which for me just relaxes me but doesn't make me wanna go out for walks, talk to people, etc.)

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Saber41194 Nov 1 2004, 01:19 AM

QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 31 2004, 05:01 PM)

no probleme to talk to pepoles . i never had probleme to talk to pepoles but u feel more confortable when talking to pepoles. tribulus has the same effect on me 4weeks on trib made my tits puffy so it will be wizer to stack it withe-form.

but whene studing in colllege i try to avoid phenibut . because i had to stay awake at 100% and phenibut make me slower.

testosterone and phenibut can make u more sociable for sure.

for me an increades testo is better . And phenibut az a benzo befor to sleep.

Posted by: peter3 Dec 3 2004, 07:40 PM

Hi all,

Interesting topic.

What I do not understand is that some of you say that you don't have a hangover from GBL.
I have it and when I take it for 12 hours in a row I sleep very light after 3 hours and sweat very much and the next day I feel a little unstable and my hart rate is up.

Is it just me?

I surely gonna give phenibut a try and post my experiences here.

Do I get troubles with custums when shipped to the Nederlands?

Posted by: The Reporter Dec 3 2004, 09:10 PM

What do you mean 12 hours in a row? One sip of 1/2 an ounce every hour? I don't know how your brain could shut down and sleep after a binge like that. When I was hooked and couldn't sleep while on heavy G usage, I kept drinking it every hour to try to get knocked out and I finally threw up on it.

I think the lack of hangover from G is the fact of occasional use or for deep sleep, you don't have the grogginess in the morning and you feel refreshed. With Phenibut, I'd wake up in the morning and my head would still be buzzing, not good when you have to go to work. I'd be interested to find out what would be a good additive to prevent that.

I started another thread asking if Chocamine taken with Phenibut would have some kind of mellowing or balancing effect. I think I'll try it in the future just to see.

Posted by: P.Logo Dec 3 2004, 10:30 PM

Could you snort Phenibut?

Posted by: lancelot Dec 4 2004, 12:43 AM

QUOTE (USMC MUSTANG @ Oct 29 2004, 01:21 AM)

Sounds like everyone likes the stuff, but there is still mention of Hangovers??? "G" never caused a hangover. Some are saying you have to drink beer with it. The whole purpose of the "G" was so you did not have to drink alcohol while on a cycle. What about the sexual advantages of "G"??? I could go all night and stay rock hard for hours with the "good stuff" It used to make you Superman,
.

Basically, there was sooooo much advantage to GHB that GABA does not produce.

Hopefully the research will prevail and we will have another genius develop a precursor we can use before it is taken away again.

I whole heartedly agree with you. You cannot compare phenibut to GHB at all. G is as close to the perfect recreational drug as you can get in terms of the high, no toxicity, standalone w/o alcohol, increase in libido, and no hangover.

you can still get GHB legally at xyrem.com. yes, the pharms want a piece of the $pie$ Make it illegal so you can sell it legally?

Posted by: lancelot Dec 4 2004, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Dec 3 2004, 10:30 PM)

Could you snort Phenibut?

yes you can, but it's worst than anything i've ever snorted. put a tear to my eye it was so painful.

Posted by: P.Logo Dec 4 2004, 07:57 PM

did it work?

Posted by: peter3 Dec 5 2004, 02:40 PM

Hi reporter

I take 2ml GBL every 2 to 3 hours so in 12 hours I take 4 times a dose of 2 ml.

Posted by: tragiccreation Dec 5 2004, 03:59 PM

What about SAMe and/or Phosphatidyl Serine I have heard both of these are good for mood and depression. Anybody know if it does help? Also does it help with socialization?

There are some pretty positive reviews of these products by NOW on this site.

Posted by: tragiccreation Dec 6 2004, 07:20 PM

:bump:

Posted by: The Reporter Dec 6 2004, 11:01 PM

I have read SAMe is used as an OTC anti-anxiety supp, and PS more for anti-cortisol and also for memory factors. But as far as social lubricant, I don't think so. My wife used SAMe for overwhelming anxiety she was experiencing about 9 months ago. Her doctor put her on some antideppresants and felt like shit. So I told her about SAMe and she used it for a couple of months and she found it to be very effective.
She doesn't seem to have any problems regarding her anxiety and she's been off of it for a while. So it was very effective for that. But for socializing, there's no immediate effect.

Posted by: Caleb Stone Dec 7 2004, 10:48 AM

I think Phenibut is extremely good for anti-anxiety and concentration/slowing of the mind (not slowing in a dumbing way, slowing as in keeping it from racing).

However, for me, it just does not compare to GHB/GBL for mood enhancement. I think maybe if you have true social anxiety, it lifts that and that is enough for significant mood enhancement, but if you do not, the euphoria is just not there.

I always like G plus alcohol much more than just G (unless in an intimate situation with a lady, when it is unmatched). Alcohol plus phenibut was decent the first couple of times I tried it, but after that I often actually noticed an inhibition of euphoria -- with both alcohol and coke.

Posted by: tragiccreation Dec 7 2004, 04:31 PM

Why can't you get GHB/GBL anymore? Or could you ever?

Posted by: P.Logo Dec 7 2004, 08:46 PM

To my knowlege it was legal at one time and banned, not sure why though

Posted by: Caleb Stone Dec 8 2004, 01:22 PM

Yes, that is correct.

Posted by: peter3 Dec 22 2004, 07:03 AM

Why its banned?

Because its to addictive with really bad side affects because of the dopamine build up and the dosage curve is very steep a little to much and you are in a coma.

It very nice stuff but also very dangerous.

Posted by: Saber41194 Dec 22 2004, 08:03 AM

i may be wrong but lifting mood and increasing well being: for sure reduce social anxiety.

when i was on test i felt like superman (no one can hurt me i am so strong) i felt very confident and very social. And get a litle depper voice:that is cool whene u talk with ladies

i ve been using about 1g a day of phenilbut and tolerence develope quickly may be because ur GABA level were restored to MAX.

sertaline (an AD) becomme ineficient as soon as ur serotonine level are MAX.

because that kind of stuff change the chemistry of ur brain u cant expect to have the samme effect with long use.

that was my 2cents

Posted by: The Reporter Dec 28 2004, 05:41 PM

One think I must report is phenibut is definitely prosexual, similar to GHB. I got some phenibut by X-mas eve and I watched a Jessica Simpson Christmas Eve special with my wife. And man is she hot. I was on a site that posted some shots of her in concert and was showing some panty shots. Man, oh man.

Anyway, that night my wife said she had to sleep on the couch because I kept talking in my sleep about eating pussy! Well, when I got up -- I was up. And man, that is exactly what I did. And I did it for like an hour and with the precision of a gynocologist. I was so into it. And then it was the same for that night. My wife was wondering what I was taking and I told her it was the new bottle of 6OXO that I started on. She told me to get more of that stuff because she liked it.

I didn't tell her it was the phenibut. And the sex is definitely better because the sensativity seems to be more enhanced while on it. It is definitely a disinhibitor but unlike alcohol. There may be a lot of sexual activity due to alcohol but for me when I was too drunk, I did not want to have sex, I just wanted to sleep.
But this stuff makes you totally horney. It wears off after a few days. I'm glad I only get this stuff once in a while because it prevents me from abusing it or having built up a tolerance on it.

One thing I do want to report is that my piss is totally yellow when I'm on this stuff. It's similar to when I take a timed-release B-Complex vitamin pill. Has anyone else experienced this? It makes me wonder if the liver is stressed while processing this stuff.

Posted by: Saber41194 Dec 28 2004, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (The Reporter @ Dec 28 2004, 05:41 PM)

One thing I do want to report is that my piss is totally yellow when I'm on this stuff. It's similar to when I take a timed-release B-Complex vitamin pill. Has anyone else experienced this? It makes me wonder if the liver is stressed while processing this stuff.

betacaroten is know to color you piss.
but never rember of this while on Phenilbut.

Never get horny from phenilbut.

U turned Horny Because of Jessica Simpson !!!! this hapens to me especialy when i see somme chicks wearing ligth things.

especialy when she is new and never seen before

i only loves new things

Posted by: Just me Jan 7 2005, 10:23 AM

How does this all apply to bodybuilding? You guys sound like drug heads, not trainees. This conversation is out of place.

Posted by: USMC MUSTANG Jan 11 2005, 11:05 AM

This is the supplement forum, not the training forum. Any and all info on a supp is useful.

peter3 Posted on Dec 22 2004, 03:03 AM
Why its banned?

Because its to addictive with really bad side affects because of the dopamine build up and the dosage curve is very steep a little to much and you are in a coma.

It very nice stuff but also very dangerous.

Not enitrely true.

It was banned because of all the lowlife M'F's who used to slip it into girls drinks and then take advantage of them. The news never stated any other reasons except date rape.

This is why anything gets banned. People using it wrong, exceeding the recommended dossages, or abusing it.

GHB was the best thing next to pussy and sliced bread, and it made the pussy that much greater

Posted by: juggernaut333 Jan 12 2005, 04:30 AM

Im VERY excited to try phenibut..This is a VERY interesting thread.

Posted by: lancelot Jan 12 2005, 05:14 AM

Phenibut sucks royally!

Posted by: USMC MUSTANG Jan 12 2005, 11:17 AM

lance
why do you feel so strongly against it? I would prefer real "G" myself, but this does seem to have a nice effect on my mood and is working as a great alternative to drinking.

Do you have another product that I have not heard about yet, or do you just not like the idea of using the supplament for recreational

use

Posted by: Saber41194 Jan 13 2005, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (USMC MUSTANG @ Jan 12 2005, 11:17 AM)

use

piracetam + now PS + alpha-GPG whamo hehe

the mood cant be better i fell like i was 12 years old (great mood)

Posted by: David65966 Mar 4 2005, 01:21 AM

Hey everyone.

I used to take GBL for awhile until they banned it..what a sad sad day.

I loved it. It was great for social interaction, and it did wonders for my apparant depression and overall nervousness.
Ever since they banned it, I have been looking for something to takes its place, and help me out with my mood and neverousness. Nothing has made it better, and some things have made it worse. I would go to a doc but I don't have health insurance, and would really rather not pay a high premium or over-priced pharms.

Well, I learned about Phenibut a couple days ago and decided to give it a shot. I really hope this is going to help me out.

It is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (3/4/05) so when I do try it I will come back here and post my experience, and any comparison between GHB and Phenibut.

Posted by: P.Logo Mar 4 2005, 02:44 PM

Piracetam and Phenibut is a good combo, I never take Phenibut with out Piracetam.

Posted by: Christopher62405 Mar 4 2005, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Mar 4 2005, 02:44 PM)

Piracetam and Phenibut is a good combo, I never take Phenibut with out Piracetam.

What dosage do you use for both?

Chris

Posted by: weeviekins2000 Mar 4 2005, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (Saber41194 @ Nov 1 2004, 01:19 AM)

QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 31 2004, 05:01 PM)

Tribulis does NOT increase testosterone!.

Posted by: P.Logo Mar 4 2005, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Christopher62405 @ Mar 4 2005, 03:00 PM)

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Mar 4 2005, 02:44 PM)

Piracetam and Phenibut is a good combo, I never take Phenibut with out Piracetam.

What dosage do you use for both?

Chris

1-3 Grams of Piracetam and 3-5 Grams of Phenibut. You should play around to see what works for you

Posted by: Christopher62405 Mar 5 2005, 04:22 AM

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Mar 4 2005, 08:18 PM)

QUOTE (Christopher62405 @ Mar 4 2005, 03:00 PM)

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Mar 4 2005, 02:44 PM)

Piracetam and Phenibut is a good combo, I never take Phenibut with out Piracetam.

What dosage do you use for both?

Chris

1-3 Grams of Piracetam and 3-5 Grams of Phenibut. You should play around to see what works for you

Thanks man. I'll experiment with some lower doses first.

Posted by: Saber41194 Mar 5 2005, 09:57 AM

QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Mar 4 2005, 05:13 PM)

QUOTE (Saber41194 @ Nov 1 2004, 01:19 AM)

QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 31 2004, 05:01 PM)

Tribulis does NOT increase testosterone!.

increasinh LH boost test levels.

however i realy feel my self confident!

Posted by: Saber41194 Mar 5 2005, 10:01 AM

but for metings and talking to girls substance that reduce stress and induce ligth sedation
like myorelaxant anxiolitik even ZMA(magnesium)
any one use gaba ??

Posted by: mrscherko Mar 24 2005, 01:19 PM

What is now PS+alpha-GPG??? I am not familiar..

Posted by: alexoc949 May 4 2005, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Dec 3 2004, 10:30 PM)

Could you snort Phenibut?

lol. i love that.

Posted by: P.Logo May 4 2005, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (alexoc949 @ May 4 2005, 07:41 PM)

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Dec 3 2004, 10:30 PM)

Could you snort Phenibut?

lol. i love that.

It burns like a bitch.

Posted by: alexoc949 May 4 2005, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (P.Logo @ May 4 2005, 07:50 PM)

QUOTE (alexoc949 @ May 4 2005, 07:41 PM)

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Dec 3 2004, 10:30 PM)

Could you snort Phenibut?

lol. i love that.

It burns like a bitch.

ha....hey bro, so how are you stacking this stuff? And when you do are you energized enough to go throughout a day?

Posted by: juggernaut333 May 8 2005, 05:28 PM

Im stoked to try phenibut myself here shortly.Has any new info or personal experience come to light concerning the tolerance issue?If one only uses it 2 or 3 times a week not on back to back days will tolerance still build?Or is there anything to do,or to take that will prevent this?Thanks for any replies,seems it works like a charm,if we can only prevent the first great effects to keep from wearing off.

Posted by: P.Logo May 8 2005, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (alexoc949 @ May 4 2005, 08:00 PM)

QUOTE (P.Logo @ May 4 2005, 07:50 PM)

QUOTE (alexoc949 @ May 4 2005, 07:41 PM)

QUOTE (P.Logo @ Dec 3 2004, 10:30 PM)

Could you snort Phenibut?

lol. i love that.

It burns like a bitch.

ha....hey bro, so how are you stacking this stuff? And when you do are you energized enough to go throughout a day?

I never usually take it if I have something important in the morning the following day (School, meeting, etc). I usually stack it with Aniracetam or Piracetam, it takes off the some of the tolerence (IMO). Maybe with a little Glucuronorolactone or Caffiene (Never with Ephedrine/Ephedra!!!). I also want to try it with some ALCAR.

Posted by: Nutso May 9 2005, 08:32 AM

I just tried this stuff last saturday night and could'nt really feel the effects. I took phenibut with water first, about a tsp (4g right?) then an hr later, drank some beers. I couln't tell if i was feeling the effects or not. Should I increase the dosage?

Posted by: Armen48321 Oct 17 2005, 09:19 PM

ive never actually sat down to read an entire thread, but this one is worth it. im about to order my first bottle of phenibut and im real excited.

i've been taking ephedra pretty consistently for a while now, and now that i cut that out [and lowered my caffeine intake as well] i've noticed some depression, increased anxiety and stress, FUCKED up sleep cycles, fatigue, loss in sexual drive, and a MAJOR increase in appetite. Something tells me the ephedra and caffeine have something to do with this and its been worrying me [still kinda stressed, lol].

The appetite ill have to work on myself, but i have high hopes for mood elevation from this product. my main concern with phenibut is adverse effects AFTER use. i will use the product seldom. twice a week MAX. i may even go weeks without use just so i dont build tolerance, in hopes to achieve great mood elevation each time. does anyone have any info about long term effects or potential dangers of phenibut before i try it???

Posted by: kevin92817 Nov 9 2005, 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Max32 @ Oct 28 2004, 02:20 PM)

Yes you can test for GHB. Its used as part of a rape kit when a person goes to the hospital. I am not sure of the specifics but I do know it only works in the first few hours afterwards. Its relatively new. Don't expect cops to be using it for anything else like DWI's anytime soon.

Posted by: kevin92817 Nov 9 2005, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (USMC MUSTANG @ Oct 29 2004, 01:21 AM)

G never caused a hangover?!?! I guess you never G'd out that bad?? Its not painful like alcohol but its a weird buzzy nasty feeling. I guess the nasty anxiety is due to you wondering what f**ked up things you did that you don't remember!!

Posted by: Saber41194 Nov 9 2005, 05:32 PM

QUOTE (Armen48321 @ Oct 17 2005, 09:19 PM)

Lowering fat intake makes me depresed

may be 5-HTTP and tryptopan like sups and fatty acids like lechitin,fish,...

Posted by: TMG May 7 2008, 02:30 AM

QUOTE (Brandon Gaither @ Oct 27 2004, 12:10 AM)

QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 26 2004, 09:35 PM)

In theory it enhances empathy but through dopamine. Being that a lot of ethnobotanicals are found to be seritonin analogues. I guess its mostly "in your head" there is a term. Emotions are physiology and this also determines how you respond to things. Dopaminageric, Cholinogeric, Gabageric or Seritonigeric are the 4 basic types that go with fire, water, earth and air (not nessessarily in that order).

Air is difficult because it has a dual nature. Hence, bipolar. Manic, depressive. You need a balance (like lithium which is yellow-earth). I tested myself and i'm a dopamine dominant type with a gaba deficiency. So my reaction to phenibut was bodering on a religous experience.

I suggest taking DRAMAMINE for the nausea. However I found that it was reacting with the phenibut for a very odd response. I'm going to try it with scopolamine motion sickness patch and see if there is any difference. Be careful what you use in TANDEM with these type of substances.

I'm not buying the date rape drug villfication of GHB totally as not everyone "blanks out" on GHB. And a lot of times it was mixed in drinks that both partys drank. Kind of like alchohol plus. I'm not so much into the drugs to enhance life or liquid courage.

But the point is PATTERNS and how the neural pathways are energized by different chemicals like seritonin or dopamine and gaba for various effects. The key is self-knowlege and adjust your lifestyle to match your blood type and body chemistry. Dont be a square peg trying to live a round hole life.

Things taken in tandem would tend to react with the empathy enducing effect of these type of substances. So the effect might be 2x or 10x. Some feel nothing. Hardheads? But one thing you will get is that nausea. I'm thinking of compounding this stuff with spleen tonifying herbs like Huang qi with honey (glucose) and some others to see if it deals with that nausea any different.

I think the spleen is reacting somehow to the dopamine and also that is where the "inner mind" is found. Hence the opening up of feelings, empathy, love, ect.