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 Hey everyone. I used to take GBL for awhile until they banned it..what a sad sad day.  I loved it. It was great for social interaction, and it did wonders for my apparant depression and overall nervousness. Ever since they banned it, I have been looking for something to takes its place, and help me out with my mood and neverousness. Nothing has made it better, and some things have made it worse. I would go to a doc but I don't have health insurance, and would really rather not pay a high premium or over-priced pharms. Well, I learned about Phenibut a couple days ago and decided to give it a shot. I really hope this is going to help me out. It is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow (3/4/05) so when I do try it I will come back here and post my experience, and any comparison between GHB and Phenibut.
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What dosage do you use for both?
Chris
The things you own end up owning you.
-Tyler Durden, "Fight Club"
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| QUOTE (Saber41194 @ Nov 1 2004, 01:19 AM) | | QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 31 2004, 05:01 PM) | Hi Saber, did it increase motivation/disinhibition for you in any way? Or was it more like diazepam (which for me just relaxes me but doesn't make me wanna go out for walks, talk to people, etc.)
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no probleme to talk to pepoles . i never had probleme to talk to pepoles but u feel more confortable when talking to pepoles. tribulus has the same effect on me 4weeks on trib made my tits puffy so it will be wizer to stack it withe-form. but whene studing in colllege i try to avoid phenibut . because i had to stay awake at 100% and phenibut make me slower. testosterone and phenibut can make u more sociable for sure. for me an increades testo is better . And phenibut az a benzo befor to sleep. |
Tribulis does NOT increase testosterone!.
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| QUOTE (P.Logo @ Mar 4 2005, 08:18 PM) | | QUOTE (Christopher62405 @ Mar 4 2005, 03:00 PM) | |
What dosage do you use for both?
Chris
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1-3 Grams of Piracetam and 3-5 Grams of Phenibut. You should play around to see what works for you |
Thanks man. I'll experiment with some lower doses first.
The things you own end up owning you.
-Tyler Durden, "Fight Club"
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| QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Mar 4 2005, 05:13 PM) | | QUOTE (Saber41194 @ Nov 1 2004, 01:19 AM) | | QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 31 2004, 05:01 PM) | Hi Saber, did it increase motivation/disinhibition for you in any way? Or was it more like diazepam (which for me just relaxes me but doesn't make me wanna go out for walks, talk to people, etc.)
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no probleme to talk to pepoles . i never had probleme to talk to pepoles but u feel more confortable when talking to pepoles. tribulus has the same effect on me 4weeks on trib made my tits puffy so it will be wizer to stack it withe-form. but whene studing in colllege i try to avoid phenibut . because i had to stay awake at 100% and phenibut make me slower. testosterone and phenibut can make u more sociable for sure. for me an increades testo is better . And phenibut az a benzo befor to sleep. |
Tribulis does NOT increase testosterone!.
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increasinh LH boost test levels.
however i realy feel my self confident!
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Im stoked to try phenibut myself here shortly.Has any new info or personal experience come to light concerning the tolerance issue?If one only uses it 2 or 3 times a week not on back to back days will tolerance still build?Or is there anything to do,or to take that will prevent this?Thanks for any replies,seems it works like a charm,if we can only prevent the first great effects to keep from wearing off.
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| QUOTE (alexoc949 @ May 4 2005, 08:00 PM) | | QUOTE (P.Logo @ May 4 2005, 07:50 PM) | | QUOTE (alexoc949 @ May 4 2005, 07:41 PM) | | QUOTE (P.Logo @ Dec 3 2004, 10:30 PM) | | Could you snort Phenibut? |
lol. i love that.
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It burns like a bitch.
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ha....hey bro, so how are you stacking this stuff? And when you do are you energized enough to go throughout a day?
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I never usually take it if I have something important in the morning the following day (School, meeting, etc). I usually stack it with Aniracetam or Piracetam, it takes off the some of the tolerence (IMO). Maybe with a little Glucuronorolactone or Caffiene (Never with Ephedrine/Ephedra!!!). I also want to try it with some ALCAR.
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ive never actually sat down to read an entire thread, but this one is worth it. im about to order my first bottle of phenibut and im real excited. i've been taking ephedra pretty consistently for a while now, and now that i cut that out [and lowered my caffeine intake as well] i've noticed some depression, increased anxiety and stress, FUCKED up sleep cycles, fatigue, loss in sexual drive, and a MAJOR increase in appetite. Something tells me the ephedra and caffeine have something to do with this and its been worrying me [still kinda stressed, lol]. The appetite ill have to work on myself, but i have high hopes for mood elevation from this product. my main concern with phenibut is adverse effects AFTER use. i will use the product seldom. twice a week MAX. i may even go weeks without use just so i dont build tolerance, in hopes to achieve great mood elevation each time. does anyone have any info about long term effects or potential dangers of phenibut before i try it???
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| QUOTE (Max32 @ Oct 28 2004, 02:20 PM) | to my knowledge, there is not even a test that can be done for GHB, even in an ER. Unfortunately, I have had to deal with this situation twice with a friend who took too much, and a girlfriend who was drugged at a new years party 
Talk about angry, the doctor accused me of it after I had been balling my eyes out in the waiting room for 3 hours or so. I calmly picked him up with my hand around his throat (like the Predator on Arnold in the movie) and put him against the wall asking if he really thought I wanted to kill the girl I was going to marry........ He ran for the cops, nurses hid me, friend picked me up shortly after b4 I got caught. What a great story......
back to the point, they will not be able to test excessive levels of ghb, gbl, phen, gaba, etc... |
Yes you can test for GHB. Its used as part of a rape kit when a person goes to the hospital. I am not sure of the specifics but I do know it only works in the first few hours afterwards. Its relatively new. Don't expect cops to be using it for anything else like DWI's anytime soon.
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| QUOTE (Armen48321 @ Oct 17 2005, 09:19 PM) | ive never actually sat down to read an entire thread, but this one is worth it. im about to order my first bottle of phenibut and im real excited.
i've been taking ephedra pretty consistently for a while now, and now that i cut that out [and lowered my caffeine intake as well] i've noticed some depression, increased anxiety and stress, FUCKED up sleep cycles, fatigue, loss in sexual drive, and a MAJOR increase in appetite. Something tells me the ephedra and caffeine have something to do with this and its been worrying me [still kinda stressed, lol].
The appetite ill have to work on myself, but i have high hopes for mood elevation from this product. my main concern with phenibut is adverse effects AFTER use. i will use the product seldom. twice a week MAX. i may even go weeks without use just so i dont build tolerance, in hopes to achieve great mood elevation each time. does anyone have any info about long term effects or potential dangers of phenibut before i try it??? |
Lowering fat intake makes me depresed may be 5-HTTP and tryptopan like sups and fatty acids like lechitin,fish,...
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| QUOTE (Brandon Gaither @ Oct 27 2004, 12:10 AM) | | QUOTE (gravol @ Oct 26 2004, 09:35 PM) |
My question to you guys is two-fold: Does phenibut truly elevate mood like GHB does (or at least to a degree)? And does phenibut (whether by itself or in combination with any other supplement or drug) induce disinhibition or motivation?
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Absolutely. The first few days taking phenibut I was on cloud 9. I felt amazing, euphoric even, talking to people I didn't even know. Not only that but my motivation was enhanced because I had such improved "mental energy." The problem with phenibut is that tolerance develops very quickly. I still take a low-moderate dose everyday but the results are nowhere near what they were the first couple of days. However, I can still feel the subtle affects, it helps with anxiety and makes me more talkative and elevates mood. If I could only feel everyday like I did on those first few days of phenibut I would praise this stuff as the second coming. |
In theory it enhances empathy but through dopamine. Being that a lot of ethnobotanicals are found to be seritonin analogues. I guess its mostly "in your head" there is a term. Emotions are physiology and this also determines how you respond to things. Dopaminageric, Cholinogeric, Gabageric or Seritonigeric are the 4 basic types that go with fire, water, earth and air (not nessessarily in that order). Air is difficult because it has a dual nature. Hence, bipolar. Manic, depressive. You need a balance (like lithium which is yellow-earth). I tested myself and i'm a dopamine dominant type with a gaba deficiency. So my reaction to phenibut was bodering on a religous experience. I suggest taking DRAMAMINE for the nausea. However I found that it was reacting with the phenibut for a very odd response. I'm going to try it with scopolamine motion sickness patch and see if there is any difference. Be careful what you use in TANDEM with these type of substances. I'm not buying the date rape drug villfication of GHB totally as not everyone "blanks out" on GHB. And a lot of times it was mixed in drinks that both partys drank. Kind of like alchohol plus. I'm not so much into the drugs to enhance life or liquid courage. But the point is PATTERNS and how the neural pathways are energized by different chemicals like seritonin or dopamine and gaba for various effects. The key is self-knowlege and adjust your lifestyle to match your blood type and body chemistry. Dont be a square peg trying to live a round hole life. Things taken in tandem would tend to react with the empathy enducing effect of these type of substances. So the effect might be 2x or 10x. Some feel nothing. Hardheads? But one thing you will get is that nausea. I'm thinking of compounding this stuff with spleen tonifying herbs like Huang qi with honey (glucose) and some others to see if it deals with that nausea any different. I think the spleen is reacting somehow to the dopamine and also that is where the "inner mind" is found. Hence the opening up of feelings, empathy, love, ect.
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