Tamoxifen

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Posted by: kirk Sep 9 2004, 02:25 PM
I have been taking 10mg tamoxifen for 2 wks. It is working like an anabolic. I am putting on enourmous muscle mass and sporting a woody. I thought I would get trim, tone and define?

Kirk

Posted by: Dave876 Sep 9 2004, 02:26 PM
QUOTE (kirk @ Sep 9 2004, 02:25 PM)
I have been taking 10mg tamoxifen for 2 wks. It is working like an anabolic. I am putting on enourmous muscle mass and sporting a woody. I though I would get trim, tone and define?

Kirk

This is a joke right Kirk?

Posted by: kirk Sep 9 2004, 02:54 PM
QUOTE (Dave876 @ Sep 9 2004, 02:26 PM)
QUOTE (kirk @ Sep 9 2004, 02:25 PM)
I have been taking 10mg tamoxifen for 2 wks.  It is working like an anabolic.  I am putting on enourmous muscle mass and sporting a woody.  I though I would get trim, tone and define?

Kirk

This is a joke right Kirk?

No, really I have been taking 10mg./day for two weeks a I am putting on muscle. I increased to 15 mg./day and will take 2mg M4OHN if I feel down or hungover.

Kirk

Posted by: elmomonster Sep 9 2004, 03:44 PM
I personally think letrozole would be better for what you're trying for two reasons.
1 being that as an aromatase inhibitor, it will prevent conversion of your natural test to estrogen, giving it another method of acting on hormone levels.
And secondly, letrozole has been shown to increase IGF-1 levels, while nolvadex has been known to lower them.

Posted by: beefcake Sep 9 2004, 05:05 PM
QUOTE (elmomonster @ Sep 9 2004, 01:44 PM)
I personally think letrozole would be better for what you're trying for two reasons.
1 being that as an aromatase inhibitor, it will prevent conversion of your natural test to estrogen, giving it another method of acting on hormone levels.
And secondly, letrozole has been shown to increase IGF-1 levels, while nolvadex has been known to lower them.

That's true, but letro is hard on the lipid profile and raises your LDL levels. Lot of people feel it's too strong and dry's them out too much. I feel aromasin is best, but unfortunately is costly as well.

Posted by: elmomonster Sep 9 2004, 05:59 PM
QUOTE (beefcake @ Sep 9 2004, 04:05 PM)
That's true, but letro is hard on the lipid profile and raises your LDL levels. Lot of people feel it's too strong and dry's them out too much. I feel aromasin is best, but unfortunately is costly as well.

Also true, but this can be balanced somewhat by dosing it at 1.75mg EOD or less.

Posted by: kirk Sep 10 2004, 08:48 AM
QUOTE (elmomonster @ Sep 9 2004, 03:44 PM)
I personally think letrozole would be better for what you're trying for two reasons.
1 being that as an aromatase inhibitor, it will prevent conversion of your natural test to estrogen, giving it another method of acting on hormone levels.
And secondly, letrozole has been shown to increase IGF-1 levels, while nolvadex has been known to lower them.

I like those reason's. I'll probably keep taking tamoxifen and add 5000 iu HCG every 6 weeks for 3 cycles then add 1.25mg. letrozole E3rdD. Then I'll get to the point that I'll either try real steroids or rHgh if I can find a reasonable price. I might start taking methylphenidate again, since it increases GH.

Kirk

Posted by: beefcake Sep 10 2004, 11:36 AM
QUOTE (Roids @ Sep 10 2004, 09:11 AM)
I have 3 grams of Tamoxifen powder and I am wondering if it would be wise to include maybe 10-15mg/day in my cycle even if no gyno symptoms are present. I am pinning 560mg 4ADcyp + 80mg 1-T cyp (in one 3ml shot) EOD. This comes out to about 2 grams of 4ADcyp and 293mg 1-Tcyp per week. I also take 5 sprays of Big 1 2xED. Would the Nolva add any benefit to a cycle like this if I don't have any gyno signs? Thanks

No. Nolva will actually hurt your gains. Tamoxifen will lower igf-1 levels by around 25%. Also the lack of water retention doesn't help much anabolically either. Only take it if you start to see signs.