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| Posted by: MUSTANG_6IX_9INE Oct 15 2009, 03:13 PM |
| http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/blacked/more.php?section=progresspics check out this guys pics. looks at his Jan 1, 2009 pics then look 10 months later Oct 12, 2009 pics i know he is not enormous like a monster, but is it just black guys that can get fit natty this fast? plus he hasnt even started his bulk yet he is just cutting. im not black, but im no longer natty, i fucked that up a long time ago & ive forgoten how its like to be natty again. i admit most of the time i feel like i have to rely on aas to see "FAST" & dramatic results. knowin if this guy can get fit this fast naturally gives me hope when im not on the gears & that i dont have to feel that i need to rely on them. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Oct 15 2009, 03:26 PM |
| 10 months is a pretty long time to make that kind of transformation. It looked like he started with a decent build covered in fat. He may or may not be geared. It's very possible he is not. Most people want that kind of transformation in 2 months instead of 10. That's where "help" comes in. |
| Posted by: MUSTANG_6IX_9INE Oct 15 2009, 03:36 PM |
| yea that true 10 months is a long time, plus he just started working out. i remember gains arent so hard at the beggining. but i also have to admit its been a long time since i done it natty i feel like ive built up a mental addiction to it. i like what u said about the time frame, that most use "help" just to get things done in a faster 2 month time period. not the fact that u need them |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 15 2009, 03:54 PM |
| it probably has a lot less to do with his race, and more to do with the fact he's probably a mesomorph, who finally took training seriously. 10 months is plenty of time to get in really good shape. Look at people who do 16 weeks of Marine Bootcamp. |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 15 2009, 04:39 PM |
| 16 weeks of marine boot camp aint going to really change your physic that much, i know this for a fact. But we bred black people that way, it sounds bad but it is true. back in the slave days the masters would pair up the healthiest and most fit slaves and make them breed. Over the many years there bodies also adapted to the hard manual labor and gave them a naturaly faster response to rebuild there bodies after a hard days work. White people could do that same but most are just to damn lazy. Look at familys that own farms and raise live stock, over the generations they have bred and adapted to that kind of work which eventually led to the Corn Fed mo fo's that had never lifted wieghts before highschool and they are huge and strong as fuck. I had a few kids like that in my school, they were some bad ass football players too. |
| Posted by: colin.muller Oct 15 2009, 09:22 PM |
| DT, i was going to say that. Blacks were originally bred for their strength for slavery. Ive read much about this and unfortunately they have much better strength genetics than our drunken european ancestors. |
| Posted by: jcanton Oct 16 2009, 12:11 AM |
| Genetics obviously play a role, but there are also a lot of Caucasians that get built very quickly. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Oct 16 2009, 06:26 AM |
| Jimmy the Greek said the same thing back in the 80's and caught hell from the media, owners, etc. It's pretty much true, but just unpopular to say. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Oct 16 2009, 09:18 AM |
| There's a reason most of the successful basketball and football players are black, not white. There is no denying the fact that, in general, the black population has better genetics in re: physical ability. I don't understand how people pull the race card when things like this are brought up. The Chinese have what, one player in the NBA? There's a reason for that, too. And, you cannot put this on "environment", like people do with lower education levels and higher crime rates w/ black people. Genetics are genetics... no denying that. |
| Posted by: texaswolf Oct 16 2009, 12:44 PM |
| Bunch of racists. |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 16 2009, 08:11 PM |
| Well i think that black people reach there genetic potential much quicker, BUT as we have seen time and time again at the Olympia, caucasians natural limit may take long to reach but it is leaps and bounds ahead of the MONDAYS. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Oct 17 2009, 05:10 AM | ||
Hard to say for sure. Lee Haney and Ronnie Coleman were pretty damn developed. |
| Posted by: MichiganHater Oct 17 2009, 01:54 PM |
| Poor breeding = America Im down for super humans (doesnt matter what race) |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Oct 17 2009, 02:09 PM |
| For the most part, africans are sparsely built. Eastern africans especially (somalia, ethiopia etc) It doesnt pay to be bulky in tropical climates really. The body shape of preference in sub saharan africa would be a tall, thin individual suited for long walking and running. When the Krakas came and bargained with the kings, they took the most athletic individuals to act like workhorses in the fields. So 400-500 yrs of fucking and what have you.....and you have some bigguns. Plus the diet has improved since then. more fat and protein + athletic genes = NFL No but seriously, African blacks arent similar in body type to american blacks. The biggest, strongest people on the planet are Europeans. Period. Particularly Northern europeans. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Oct 18 2009, 12:49 AM |
| Asians got screwed. |
| Posted by: texaswolf Oct 18 2009, 04:30 PM | ||
The Chinese are trying to correct that I think with genetic experiments like Yao Ming. |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 18 2009, 07:20 PM |
| Jay Cutler was younger than Ronnie, and smoked him. Marcus Ruhl big ass mofo. Stan Efferding it the REAL strongest pro BB'er, he has broken numberous world records in un assisted lifts, and is younger than Jonny Jackson and bigger too. Branch Warren, second place at the O, beat the pants off of Kia Green. I could go on but the point is that the black BBers are great to a certain point then they cess to improve. In Ronnies case he was so desperate to continue growing he was using 160+ mcgs of IGF, and 50+ ui's of hgh and using so much slin that his private doctor had to treat him in his own house to keep it under wraps, and look wat happend he ended up looking like he was carrying Twins when he walked on stage, and he lost, and still cant get his gut under control. They reach there peak faster. Kevin Levrone was a mix breed that could have reigned forever in pro bodybuilding, but personal issues and some health problems caused him to retire. A true mixed race BB'er would probly usher in a new era of body builders. |
| Posted by: colin.muller Oct 18 2009, 08:03 PM | ||
Kevin Nee is a beast and I believe he's part asian |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Oct 18 2009, 10:42 PM |
| Is Levrone still doing that "natural" comeback thing? |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Oct 19 2009, 12:12 PM | ||
I bet he really was natty. You can tell when someones on for the most part. My neck and traps are the first things that look pumped when im usin so its a dead giveaway. His neck never grew. If you remember him from the 90's, his neck was like a Hyena. |
| Posted by: unstable Oct 19 2009, 01:11 PM | ||
+100 The USMC overtrains and under-feeds. I went to bootcamp doing 18 pullups weighing 193 lbs. and I left bootcamp doing 12 pullups weighing something like 173 or less (it's been 12 years). I was definitely leaner but I burned alot of muscle in the process. |
| Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Oct 20 2009, 10:03 AM | ||||
I thought USMC basic training was only 12 weeks? We've had it fairly easy up here...about 20 days basic training for land forces...officers get trained and then are placed into an assessment program which I think is pretty much paper and pen trainiing. Our commando units are trained by USMC  |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 20 2009, 10:18 AM | ||
Did you go through boot camp as a Marine? Blacks actually have a higher obesity rate than whites, so they aren't automatically leaner than europeans |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 20 2009, 10:20 AM | ||
You also have to factor in culture and desire. For many young black men, success in the NBA is often seen as their only path to success. MLB has significantly more whites than blacks, does that mean blacks aren't good at baseball? |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 20 2009, 10:21 AM | ||||
My point was that significant changes can occur in relatively short time frames given extreme changes in lifestyle. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 20 2009, 11:09 AM |
| good posts... I think: 1. western africans were selectively breed to be healthy and strong to do physical labor. If you were doing this, of course you would select the healthiest, and most athletic type of people, with good muscle tone and void of disease. if you breed large dogs to be stronger and faster, you would select certain ones. it creates a gene pool. 2. also, it is known this group collectively makes more LH than other ppl. higher obesity rates and diabetes and high blood pressure is attributed to diet and lifestyle. ppl didnt eat twinkies and salty french fries and other processed garbage before. in europeans, yes, in other ppl's, not quite to the extent. just like native americans are more prone to alcohol issues (ie addiction, intolerable in small amounts)... whites have been exposed to high carb, high fat foods for longer, most likely. ppl's of otgher areas had diets which were unlike those of today, hence the issues from the dramatic change. |
| Posted by: texaswolf Oct 20 2009, 02:07 PM | ||||
Basketball courts are probably a lot more common than a baseball field in the hood also. Little league baseball is white surburia shit for the most part I would think. Plus you need to have the ball, bats, and gloves which would cost more than a basketball. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 20 2009, 03:10 PM |
| baseball is huge in the caribbean, they are dirt poor and sometimes use extremely old gloves, or no gloves, old wood bats or sticks ect... but yeah, you need area to play baseball, basketball requires less space. |
| Posted by: Thomas130483 Oct 20 2009, 03:36 PM | ||
Damn 50iu's is a lot of HGH. Most of us could make a cycle out of what he uses in a day. How did you find out this stuff Dt? |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 20 2009, 04:07 PM | ||
probably 7 of the 10 fastest men alive are black, but that doesn't mean all black men are inherently gifted at athletics or naturally lean and buff. This guy is an obvious mesomorph. Part of what makes latin caribbean players so good is the hunger to make it in baseball as a way to escape poverty. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 21 2009, 07:52 AM | ||
good point...true |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 22 2009, 10:53 AM |
| In any aspect of life, it's very hard to pinpoint one single factor that predicts an outcome. For example the endurance athlete with the highest VO2 max is not always the athlete who wins, especially in running events. Success in athletics comes down to many factors, some dna can explain, some culture can, and some come from psychological make up of athletes. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 22 2009, 01:54 PM |
| azfit, also, how about shear will, and determination, as in mind set...??? |
| Posted by: texaswolf Oct 22 2009, 07:18 PM |
| He just said that. What do you think he means by psychological makeup? |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 22 2009, 07:40 PM |
| How did i know about Ronnie? Well im not at liberty to talk about the circumstances of how i got the information, but most national and pro BB'ers know about his abuse of peptides and slin. Also i didnt mean 16 weeks it was a typo, i was in boot for 5 months because i fought my DI, not a smart choice. I wound up with 3 fractures so i had to spend extra time there to heal. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Oct 22 2009, 08:49 PM | ||
Are you by chance Mr. Glass? |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 23 2009, 08:17 AM |
| DT, you fought a drill instructor, and he broke 3 bones in your body? when I was in army boot camp, this one kid pointed his rifle towards a drill sargeant instead of keeping it down range.... yeah he got jacked up pretty good! |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 23 2009, 02:41 PM | ||
Hence, psychological make up. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Oct 23 2009, 04:34 PM | ||
Oh man, Range time was the best. I remember my hot brass flying out and down my battle buddies shirt as he laid next to me in the prone position. Our company was low budget. No brass deflectors. He ends up screaming and jumping up, flailing around wildly. The range NCO screams at him over the PA. Then the DS makes him low crawl the length of a football field with his rifle, the whole time yelling at him and abusing him. awesome. I always swore that someone was gonna pull a private Pile on a DS. Like, how would anyone stop it from happening? |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 23 2009, 05:01 PM |
| WTF is a brass deflector? The corps dont waste money on pansy shit, that money goes towards things like ammo and M203's maybe even a SMAW. Also when your 145lbs fighting a 230lbs DI on roids ( we found his dbol spilled in his gym bag) you dont really stand much of a chance. The guy was F'king insane anyways. |
| Posted by: dayday87 Oct 23 2009, 05:48 PM |
| fuck this military talk makes me wish i had been thru buds now and was a SEAL... I would give anything to be in the military.. You have to deal with CoC bullshit, but its the fucking life for single guys who are adrelane(sp) junkies. |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 23 2009, 09:23 PM |
| Dude for the most part the military is boring, the only cool shit is when you deploy. Most of the time you sit around and bullshit, and wait for the SNCO's and officers to release you for the day. |
| Posted by: unstable Oct 24 2009, 01:37 PM | ||||||
good point then. =) If the USMC gave us innoculations of AAS and had a smarter training regime, I think I would have come out looking jacked and tan. Instead I came out tan and skinny. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 24 2009, 06:11 PM |
| The DoD is actually starting to rethink some of their training strategies. In a decade you'll see bootcamp pt closer to something like crossfit than the old school training regimens. |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 25 2009, 12:00 AM |
| ^ Wrong, actually the training is becoming more combat oreinted. This is why they have recently started the CFT, Combat Fitness Test. I dont see how crossfit would actually help some one in combat, or help marines pull some one out of a blown up M-RAP, or throw a grenade. The new training consists of load bearing manuvers, manuver under fire, sprints, ammo can lifts, grenade throwing, and MCMAP is soon to become part of the CFT as well. It might help if you would read the Military times. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 25 2009, 12:12 AM |
| Meaning the fitness is less about outdated endurance training and over training, and more about functional real world strength measure that enable them to be competant in multiple aspects of fitness. Have you actually looked at crossfit and similar types of training? The point of cross fit is to prepare people for multiple types of physical challenges. They do sprints. heavy lifting, olympic lifting, and lot's of rope cli,bing, pull ups, and odd object lifting like sand bags, kettle bells etc. Programs like CF are part of the model for CFT |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 25 2009, 12:39 AM |
| If you were IN the military you might have noticed, but these cross fit fags at the gym never do well during our standardized testing. Also the injury rating for cross fit is through the roof, im sure the military wants to have a bunch of injured marines that cant deploy. I dont know where you are getting your info from but you might wanna check your sources, or talk to a base general that could properly inform you. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 25 2009, 11:50 AM |
| You seem to be focusing on crossfitm specifically. I simply stated cf as an example of the style of training the DoD is going towards now, as opposed to the old style training. I'm getting my info from exercise physiologists who are actually working with the DoD to plan for the future. It's including more odd lift lifting (like sand bags, anthtropometric bodies etc) sprint intervals, more agility training, and more functional based power and weight training, which is similar to some (not all) the things CF and OTHER training programs are doing. Go back and read my posts. The standardized tests favor the old style of training, and also the old style of training has a high injury rate as well, which is why the DoD is moving towards a more functional form of training. |
| Posted by: dayday87 Oct 25 2009, 01:44 PM |
| i agree with azz on this one. Mabybe no the reg military or navy, but SEALS,SPECIAL FORCES, NSW, ETC. My SEAL mentor would actually have anyone after taking the PST allow them to join him in his crossfit workout. And shit is physically endurance taking it as far as you want, and thats exactly the type of units listed above need. |
| Posted by: unstable Oct 25 2009, 02:22 PM |
| When I was in "the suck" (aka the Marine Corps) the PFT consisted of a 3 mile run, dead-hang pullups and then situps which were later replaced with crunches. 100% = 18 minute 3 mile run (6 minute per mile average). 20 pullups 100 situps in 2 minutes Before I even left for bootcamp I was doing 18 pullups and 100 situps @ a bodyweight of approximately 190. My run was the worst, I think it was around 23-25 minutes, which isn't too bad for a lifelong asthmatic who isn't really "built" for running. When we were first assigned to our platoon, I think the drill instructors tried to classify me in with the "fat bodies" by just looking at me. I vaguely remember them telling me something and then gathering all of the fat-kids up at the front of the squad bay, but I didn't walk up when I was supposed to. Later the drill instructor came to me and asked if I was supposed to be in with that group and I denied any knowledge of it. I believe they put the fat kids on a restricted meal plan...even without being on the restricted plan I dropped a substantial amount of weight. Leaving bootcamp my run was down to 20:10, which impressed the hell out of me, my weight was down too and my pullups were down to 12. I never really understood how good pullups were for combat or situps or crunches for that matter. The run seemed pretty important, endurance like carrying lots of heavy shit for long distances seemed important. The ability to navigate obstacles would be important...but pullups? It's not often that I see myself trying to lift just my bodyweight vertically...but whatever. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 25 2009, 02:43 PM |
| The DoD is starting to re examine the need for such endurance based fitness. Especially as combat has progessively moved towards either moutainous terrain (afghanistan) or close combat in urban area's (Iraq, Bosnia, Mogadishu). The needs of the modern combatant are short burst power (running between buildings) carrying heavy loads, pulling heavy loads (carrying wounded troops), and total body real world strength and functionality (climbing difficult terrain, carrying wounded troops, climbing walls and obstacles etc). The DoD is trying to modify fitness to train for these things. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 26 2009, 11:48 AM |
| NOTHING LIKE GETTING WAYYYY OFF TRACK, EH? |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 26 2009, 03:45 PM |
| Pull ups are the ultimate test of upper body strength, depending on your job inthe MC would also depend on your veiw of them. Ive had to climb up the side of a canyon with a 75lb mobile GBS system to place it. Pull ups definitly helped me in that aspect of my job. Climbing walls, ridges, hills, mountains etc, require alot of upper body strength, i thank god they stuffed pull ups down my throat for these past years, cuz without them my ass would have fallen off a building or two. Also from what my base general( a marine, not a pansy ass civilain) has told me, the marine corps is going to be implementing weight training into our world of pt, since tests have recently shown that the past training has seriously neglegted raw power and aimed more towards endurance. The marine corps is going to be a little stricter about enlisting scrawny etheopians that can run fast but cant carry anymore than there own body wieght. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 26 2009, 03:52 PM |
| Pull ups are good test of strength and endurance. A better test of pure strength would be the over head press. Either way, the point is that the DoD like the Corps, is starting to see that pure endurance is not useful |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 27 2009, 07:46 AM | ||
BEING A CIVILIAN DOESNT MAKE A PANSY  Ive been owned by uncle sam, and a civilian, too, and the only difference is a title. |
| Posted by: MUSTANG_6IX_9INE Oct 27 2009, 12:43 PM |
is it true that if your race is black, most likely ur dick is bigger then the next person from another race?  fucking bastards |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 27 2009, 01:15 PM |
| mustang six nine..... it comes down to two factors: 1. how much testosterone did you have in your body at puberty which dictates secondary sex characteristics. 2. genetics race has nothing to do with it, it is hormonal and genetic. Not all black guys have huge cocks some have small ones.... just ask your mom!  JK dawg |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 27 2009, 01:25 PM |
| ya its true the cock thing, some black guys have big'uns and some white guys have big'uns. The only true stereo type with that is that asians have little ones, ask Opfor. But still there is basic racial genetics, just like how white's cant get sickle cell. Its a genetic disease. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 27 2009, 01:32 PM |
| When I was in basic training, we were forced to take showers together, naked. And at that point I realized not all black guys have horse cocks, and alot of white guys do. So its really the two factors which I stated, genetics and test during puberty. Asians..... well they are screwed |
| Posted by: texaswolf Oct 27 2009, 01:44 PM |
| Joe's a cock gazer. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 27 2009, 02:28 PM |
| lol its pretty hard to not see "everything" when you are in a crowd of naked dudes. very odd experience  |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Oct 27 2009, 05:14 PM | ||
You Meatgazer You're not supposed to stare, Joe. Its like the sun...You get a brief sense of it and then you look away. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Oct 28 2009, 07:58 AM |
| im no meat gazer just hard not to notice things when there are like 50 naked dudes around being comanded to "get in! now get out!" of the shower. basic training was insanity |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 28 2009, 10:42 AM |
| ya those 10 second showers sucked ballz, and the DI's wonder why everyone stank. They use to make us line up and they would spray Cobra aftershave or cologne on use just so they could stand being around us. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Oct 28 2009, 12:48 PM | ||
Statisically, the only demographic consistently shown to have a larger than others penis size, has been homsexuals. |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 28 2009, 09:19 PM |
| that probly just swelling from the AIDS. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Oct 28 2009, 11:48 PM | ||
word. Febreeze and baby wipes were Lifesavers in BCT. |
| Posted by: DownTown Oct 29 2009, 07:54 AM |
| BCT? Is that army or air force? |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Oct 29 2009, 09:42 AM |
| Army. |
| Posted by: pbfanatic321 Nov 16 2009, 06:14 PM |
| He got pretty shredded, but he is black. No joke, not trying to be racist or anything, but every says blacks look like monkeys, so therefor they probably are strong like them too! This is my hypothesis on blacks. |
| Posted by: ftank Dec 9 2009, 12:24 PM | ||
Just to clarify your history a little bit -- the country we harvested our slaves from (western African countries) were already in slavery and were already being bred for such. Slavery wasn't around in the 'states long enough for us to make any significant breeding results. Take Biogenetics. It takes hundreds of years to breed results (in most mammalian species). Look at the germans or polish... how many of them fuckers you see in Strongman comps? As far as the original post goes -- the guy just cut. He was pretty "built" to begin with. Nothing special here. |
| Posted by: chakmak Dec 9 2009, 01:24 PM |
| I heard black guys have big cocks. Is this true? |
| Posted by: ftank Dec 9 2009, 01:44 PM | ||
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| Posted by: MUSTANG_6IX_9INE Dec 16 2009, 10:53 PM |
| TIGER WOODS - i find that very disturbing & confusing & i dun wana know! |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Dec 17 2009, 05:56 AM | ||
Combining Black and Asian, it's probably a wash. Being rich and famous it's not like it matters anyway. He's not the most handsome mug around w/ those big teef, but he was still hitting all kinds of chicks. It just goes w/ the territory. |
| Posted by: wayne80332 Dec 17 2009, 12:30 PM |
| The guy isn't small to begin with. He just has higher bodyfat levels. He cut his bodyfat thus making the illusion that he gained a good bit of muscle. He gained some muscle while getting his bodyfat down. He's not a beast by any means. He's only 165lbs. Being dark skinned it shows defintion more too. That's what has more to do with being black then anything. That's why guys tan in competition. Low body fat plus dark skin will show definition and give the illusion of lots of muscle even if a guy is a weak 165Lbs. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Dec 17 2009, 12:50 PM | ||
Tiger is part black, part asian, part white, and part native american. Trying to peg him to one ethnic group is stupid. |
| Posted by: MUSTANG_6IX_9INE Dec 17 2009, 02:27 PM | ||||
yea that is stupid. that mother fucker is horny like a china man with a black dick! & plays golf like a white guy. he's a total bastard, fuck him! |
| Posted by: MUSTANG_6IX_9INE Dec 17 2009, 02:31 PM | ||
that make's sense! thx:) |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Dec 18 2009, 05:21 PM | ||||
He's half Asian between the 1/4 Thai and 1/4 Chinese. I'd say he's probably a little smaller than avg. based on that. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Dec 19 2009, 09:11 PM |
| Who really cares one way or the other |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Dec 20 2009, 05:16 AM | ||
There's interest because he's getting much more ass than any of us. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Dec 20 2009, 04:27 PM |
| He's getting alot becuase he's the most famous athlete on earth, and probably the most well know man besides the President. He could be a hideous troll with a 2" dick and still get lots of women. Being a celebrity or wealthy= chicks. |