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| Posted by: MichiganHater Sep 4 2009, 06:33 PM |
| Cynostane: Helping Build a Better You! Rapid Muscle Grown Rock Hard Physique INSANE Strength Maximize Fat Loss Enhance Endurance Build a Better You Anabolic Innovations Cynostane is the first release in AI's Black Label. If you are looking to take your workout's, strength gains, and lean muscle mass to new heights then get ready, Cynostane is here to take you there. Cynostane is, however, a very potent compound and should not be used by those new to weightlifting/bodybuilding. Supplement Facts: Serving Size: 1 Capsule Servings per Container: 90 Amount Per Serving: 2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-3-one - 10mg Other Ingredients: Gelatin (capsule), microcrystalline cellulose Directions: As a dietary supplement, take 2 to 3 capsules daily as needed or as directed by your physician. |
| Posted by: Badman5 Sep 7 2009, 08:35 PM |
| Okay other than the "cyano" in this compound this looks like just another superdrol clone so what makes it different or better than any other s-drol supplement? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 7 2009, 09:17 PM | ||
2-cyano-17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-androst-3-one - 10mg SD is double methylated, whereas Cynostane has a methyl and cyano "function group". At least this is what my brotelligence comes up with. The slightest change in a molecule can drastically alter physiological effects. Ex. 1-Testosterone vs. Methyl-1-Testosterone, EQ vs. Dianabol (methylated boldenone), etc. According to the label, this is not the same molecule as superdrol. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Sep 7 2009, 10:16 PM |
| More than likely, prob just another clone and will produce the same results as any other steroid. I fail to see anything special, but im assuming this. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 8 2009, 12:17 AM |
| It's always good to see something new. I'll have to do a little reading into it and see what the word on it is. Hopefully it'll be something new and different than what we've seen so far. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 8 2009, 07:40 AM | ||
A clone of what? Not SD. Unless "cyano" is nomenclature for "methyl". And your statement doesn't make any sense... "produce same results as any other steroid" ?? If everything had the same effects, there would be only one steroid. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 8 2009, 12:58 PM |
| Shakes, I'm watching the same log on this that you are. Looks like we'll get plenty of detailed info on this stuff. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Sep 8 2009, 06:19 PM | ||||
Why do you disagree with everything? Do you honestly think this is going to be the best PH out? I meant it's nothing special. Gain a couple of pounds, side effects, and keep whatever you can hold on to. Like i said, the same as everything else. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Sep 8 2009, 06:26 PM |
| Does anyone know what this drug is comparable to, as far as gains? Anyone have the anabolic/androgenic ratio of it? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 8 2009, 07:48 PM | ||||||
I don't.
I never said anything close to that.
Just because you can't gain on copious amounts of steroids doesn't mean others cannot. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 8 2009, 07:49 PM | ||
I think I saw somewhere it was like 800:80 anabolic:androgenic. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 8 2009, 07:56 PM | ||||
Yeah, the guy running a log of it looked it up in Vida and seems to be halfway knowledgeable about it. He quoted that A:A ratio from there. Looks great on paper, but the logs will tell us the rest of the story. |
| Posted by: DownTown Sep 8 2009, 10:15 PM | ||||
methyl EQ is Boldenone actetate, the whole dbol is methyl EQ is a myth. Just pointing that out. they have some structural similarities but they are completely different compounds by structure and mechanisms of action. I just wanted to clear up that bit of misinformation. No disrespect shakes |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Sep 9 2009, 03:15 AM | ||||
![]() Just effin.
Absolutely dude. Pics dont lie. You o happen thave any links to these logs? Are they over at AM? If so i'll search tomorrow. Speaking of "On Paper"....A lot of things DO NOT make sense to me. This new gear is 800:80 which sounds extremely anabolic. But then you look at something like Halo which is shitty for mass, and its 1900:850 Dbol, a mass gear @ 150:50 Winny, 320:30...mostly anabolic yet NOBODY uses it for bulking. Does anyone here know if the Anabolic ratio dictates how strongly it will bind to the AR? Or are the numbers irrelevant to that? Well, I havent really heard much hype over this new designer. Which is probably a plus when you think of all the rep hype over The One. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 9 2009, 03:19 AM |
| Yeah, this has been the anti-hype ph. Kind of refreshing after The One, 3-AD (the first one that never actually came out), etc. It's over at AM by a guy w/ the handle Trauma1. He's widely known as a straight shooter that puts together very detailed logs, so I'm following it. It'll be at least 3 months before I run anything as I'm halfway through a PCT right now, but this stuff might be promising for a future run. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Sep 9 2009, 03:27 AM |
| I'll check that out on AM. Hopefully he keeps his logs thorough. What did you use during your last cycle? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 9 2009, 05:27 AM | ||
I did epi and transdermal 4-AD. Went pretty well, but I think I messed up my dosage of the 4-AD due to a good bit of the mixed solution having evaporated. I gained a decent amount of mass, which has largely been kept about 2 weeks into PCT so far. Another kind of unplanned thing was running out of nolva after a week at 40 mg. I did have torem on hand, so I dosed that at 120 for 4 days and will do 60 for a couple more weeks. i think that should be fine, if kind of disorganized. Gotta get my stuff laid out a little better next time around. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 9 2009, 07:40 AM | ||||||
I like learning. I've read that at every major board I've visited. You are the first person to say otherwise. BANNED! From steroid.com... "A simple way to think of Equipoise, chemically at least, is simply as Dianabol without the 17-alpha-methyl group " |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 9 2009, 07:44 AM | ||
I've read that the ratios are a starting place, but not to give them too much weight. Of course, I'm not a steroid guru and just pass along some info I pick up from reading on the Net. I try to disseminate the good info from the bad, but as DT pointed out, sometimes I FAIL! |
| Posted by: opfor101 Sep 9 2009, 03:04 PM |
| DT, i gotta disagree with you there. Methyl EQ is dianabol. If you check out the structural formula, there is an added methyl group (carbon) attached right next to the same carbon as the hydroxy group. Thats the only difference. Boldenone acetate is NOT methyl EQ, because acetate is an ester with 2 oxygens (one double bonded, the other bonded to the larger carbon chain) and then there are 2 carbons inside that ester. Adding the ester simply raises oral bioavailability because it allows the entire compound to be lipophillic. I could be wrong.... |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 9 2009, 03:38 PM |
| The Opmeister makes an appearance! Good to see you posting and dropping some science. |
| Posted by: DownTown Sep 9 2009, 08:54 PM |
| Im not really a big fan of steriod.com they have some very misleading information on there, like short estered test causes less bloat. There is more of a difference if you look at the molecules between dianabol and Equipoise, here is a link were you can go down close to the bottom to see the actual molecules, you will notice 2 differences, like most other compounds 1 or 2 differences make a world of difference. See the molecules here. http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-steroid-chemistry2.aspx |
| Posted by: Carsonwilder Sep 10 2009, 12:10 AM |
| Well, I like the idea of using a cyano group at position 2 because the 3-carbonyl is helped by structural reinforcement, but its use of a nitrogen atom at that point seems to have me believe that it won't produce results as well as something like Anadrol, which uses a similar albeit simpler technique. I haven't seen the properties of nitrogens do so well in Androgen chemistry. Interesting to see how a nitro-augmented Androgen will do this time around.... I have too much time on my hands sometimes I think to myself..... |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Sep 10 2009, 03:47 AM |
| I'm gonna have to agree with Op for a couple of reasons. 1) He's Asian. And we all know they're the smart race. 2) He's used more gear than all of us combined and speaks from experience. |
| Posted by: opfor101 Sep 10 2009, 04:03 PM |
| DT, that R thats "bonded" to the oxygen molecule shown on the equipoise formula, is just to represent any carbon chain thats attached to the oxygen. That bond is most likely where the undecylate ester is attached. 11 carbon ester. "undec" Thats the only difference I see. |
| Posted by: DownTown Sep 10 2009, 09:03 PM |
| the R stands for an extended oxygen chain, where dbol is OH, and has a CH3 coming off the same position. I dont think the esters are included in the lil diagram. The extended oxygen chain Im guessing since I cant see it is a double bonded '0' or does it have the stepladded bond? if its not double bonded it makes it highly reactive to an extra 0 moelecule or hyrdrogen molecule (which I doubt it would have). The OH is an hydroxyl group and is definitely non reactive it would be the next step if the 0 on the eq is single bond and reactive with an H mol. The CH3 is the methyl group hence oral 'methylation' this makes a huge difference by making it orally bioavailable and surviving first pass unlike eq. EQ is a 5 alpha reductase (I think) which means no estrogenic reaction and bloating which I think that would be the molecule in the 5 alpha position on the eq molecule. They may have similar structures to the naked eye but the positioning of the peripheral atoms makes them unique BUT in many ways the components of eq have been categorized similar to dbol. However we see in the real world comparison- eq is much less androgenic than dbol and is also technically an nandrolone analogue while dbol is a testosterone analogue. Compare those 2 molecules and once again you will see similarities and differences. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 10 2009, 10:48 PM | ||
I thought 1-testosterone (dihydroboldenone) was the 5a reductace version of EQ. |
| Posted by: opfor101 Sep 10 2009, 11:11 PM | ||
the H from the OH group is still present if its boldenone base. However the H is stripped away via dehydration synthesis, leaving an Oxygen molecule thats allowed to bond to a carbon, in this case, an ester (boldenone acetate, undecyclate, etc) |
| Posted by: DownTown Sep 11 2009, 10:19 PM |
| It really doesnt matter i got the info from an MIT proffesor and a soon to be pro over at CS. The information actually says it all, the adro to anabolic ratios would be the same or at least very close if they were in fact the same compounds. Dbold aromatizes heavily and Eq does not, another big point there that a methyl group can not change. If you look back to Ciba's research dbol is an actual derivative of testosterone, where as EQ is a nandrolone analogue these are actual facts that you can look up. Just because you (as in all of us in general) cant see the difference on the 2D molecule other than and R and a CH3, which none of us have a Doctorate so its expected that we cant see it. But i did get the info from some one who does have a doctorate in molecular biology. But once again the extreme differences in the two compounds speak for themselves. These lil intellectual debates are actually very nice, instead of stupid little E fights with no real point or purpose behind it. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Sep 13 2009, 04:23 AM |
| Op, are you still using Tren? |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Sep 13 2009, 04:35 AM |
| Checked 2 of the logs over at AM. Im not sure what to make of em yet. Once i see no pics in the logs, i get bored and just X out. I'll check back i suppose. Anyone know why PA would describe this product as DMT with a Cyano bond while others describe it as Mast? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 13 2009, 04:29 PM | ||
Not sure. I saw a reference to PA in Trauma1's log but nothing specific about what he had said about it. DMT would make it closer to phera than sd. The log is supposed to be really detailed but as yet, he hasn't noticed much. |
| Posted by: MichiganHater Sep 13 2009, 08:20 PM |
| Its the 1st week!!!!! Give it a week |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 22 2009, 10:06 AM |
| The guy updated late last night saying it was kicking in big. He's supposed to provide more details about it today. In the mean time AI posted post cycle lipid bloodwork for a couple of their testers. Looked very good. It's encouraging that a new school ph was so gentle on that. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 28 2009, 04:55 PM |
| Discontinued. Where did Big Ben's Cynostane log go? I can't seem to find it. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 29 2009, 12:07 AM | ||
This just came out. I don't think Ben's been around in a while to have ever logged this. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Sep 29 2009, 01:51 PM | ||||
I was mistaken... he just started a "The One" log. http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=45909&hl= Not sure why I thought it was Cynostane. btw, Josh, hittin' you up e-mail this evening. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Sep 29 2009, 05:05 PM |
| Okay, damn I was thinking that was FAST! LOL I'm hoping Cyano is good stuff. The bloodwork looks excellent and one logger I'm following is reporting good strength gains and increased vascularity. The easy on the body bloodwork is very encouraging. Shakes, sounds good to me. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Oct 10 2009, 05:13 PM |
| So, it looks like it didn't do a whole lot for the guy that was logging it on AM. he gained 4 lbs. in 30 days. Not a bad gain, but if you're going to run a cycle, you usually want more than that. granted, he had to flu for part of the time, so hard to say for sure. That could have taken from the cycle. I'll keep an eye on other logs before I judge it for sure. |
| Posted by: brahmabull Oct 10 2009, 06:26 PM |
| I've looked into a few other supplement websites about cynostane. I didn't look at the biochem. stats on it but, it seems like this stuff is pretty scarce to get a hold of right now. Some places advertise it as either being out of stock or discontinued. What gives, man? |
| Posted by: MichiganHater Oct 15 2009, 12:26 AM |
| Its new thats why many dont care it and also its a hormone. Pretty bum out on trama log on AM |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Oct 17 2009, 04:30 AM |
| That's the log I was following. Seems like the last couple of new release hormones haven't lived up to expectations. I hope something promising comes along. |
| Posted by: MichiganHater Oct 17 2009, 02:05 PM |
| Me too I think alot of veterans with a couple cycles+ are expecting to much from legal supplements He gained a solid couple lbs being a mesomorph thats pretty dam good at his size But everyone wants that 1st cycle experiance again putting 15-20 lbs on I know im looking for that god mode pill but the search continues |