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| ATD? I have a feeling this is the reason why your Test levels are low. |
for real?
explain for me jay...
I was off novedex for two months, libido was sky high, felt awesome, and just started them again 3 nights ago
what supps do you take |
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| Posted by: joseph23573 Jun 12 2009, 08:39 AM |
| I take: size on one scoop during SFW novedex 2 caps at night creatine mono 3-6g day 4-6 scoops muscle milk per day ZMA ADAM multi vitamin also... ephedrine sulfate with caffeine tabs (25mg eph 200mg caff) *instant shit* maniac pre-workout |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Jun 12 2009, 08:40 AM |
| RPM pre-workout Syntha-6 post workout generic multi-vit caffeine tabs |
| Posted by: (_)_)===D Jun 12 2009, 08:45 AM |
| ECYA 1,3-dimeth PEA Phenibut GABA Melatonin 5-htp Whey (food?) Multi (generic brand, nothin fancy) Vit C b6 calcium ALCAR AEE Creatine mono Flax oil Fish oil Taurine b12 NAC Milk thistle Ginkgo Dextrose (food?) Ginseng Green Tea And probably a few others i forgot. Not a big fan of prefabricated stacks. I like to concoct my own so i can tweek the dosages. Although this can become tedious and time consuming. I make an Aqueous solution with the 1,3-dimeth powder. And just for the record, i dont take all of this ED. |
| Posted by: (_)_)===D Jun 12 2009, 08:47 AM | ||
ATD? I have a feeling this is the reason why your Test levels are low. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jun 12 2009, 08:59 AM | ||
for real? explain for me jay... I was off novedex for two months, libido was sky high, felt awesome, and just started them again 3 nights ago |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Jun 12 2009, 09:00 AM |
| Why are you taking nolvadex if you're not taking roids? |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jun 12 2009, 09:04 AM | ||
to hopefully increase endogenous test and reap the benefits from that... bad idea??? shizzz I knew it  should've pulsed DHEA intranasally |
| Posted by: Jason2459 Jun 12 2009, 09:11 AM |
| Supplements used and results: (What I most commonly use on a regular basis) Creatine - Faster recovery time between training sessions. I take 5g three times a day usually before and after I train and at night before bed. Beta Alanine - Faster recovery time between training sessions and better work capacity during training. I take 3g twice a day usually before and after I train. ZMA - helps me sleep which helps provide faster recovery. Take about 45m before bed and try to have an empty stomach. Do not take with calcium. Name Brands I trust and use consistently: Controlled Labs Orange Triad - Multi used through out the day so it's not a one time shot and piss away deal. Also provides joint support. I take 2 three times a day. Morning/Afternoon/Evening. Universal Real Gains - Weight Gainer with just the right amount of calories and great ingredient break down. Maltodextrin as the main carb not fructose/sucrose. Good protein mix of slow and fast digestion. Fats are MCT and from flax. Tastes great. Drink before and after I train and just before going to bed. Name Brands I have tried and liked: IntraXCell and SteelEdge From Athletic Edge Nutrition: Here's the final review post I had on those two. http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=36959&st=140&#entry428861 Leviathan/Incarnate from Palo Alto Labs: Here's the final review post I had on those two. http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=44689&st=20&#entry575897 http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=39830&st=40&#entry492327 RPM from AppNut. great for a pre-workout wake me up. Like the Steeledge it really gets me moving. I'm taking about 2 right when I wake up as I train early in the morning. Don't notice to much of a difference between taking 2 or 3 but taking 4 was to much. I got all jittery. |
| Posted by: (_)_)===D Jun 12 2009, 09:28 AM | ||||
Well, Theres a theory that prolonged use will result in muscle loss. It binds to the AR so tightly. and its not a gear. So it blocks out the endogenous Test (or other exogenous gears) resulting in muscle loss. Its too sketchy. for every positive thing said regarding it, theres a negative. Im not sure where i read that it can lower test with prolonged use, so maybe im wrong. But think about it...If it raises test, why would you have low test results? something is wrong. You said you just started using it again, and werent using it when you were tested? So i dunno then bro. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Jun 12 2009, 09:32 AM |
| Multi muscle milk vitamin shoppe whey nano vapor pre wo Havoc- 40 mg a day Clen - up to 120mcg Support Supps |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jun 12 2009, 09:39 AM |
| I was off it for awhile before my initial blood test for testosterone... but before that I took like two caps a night for 8 weeks... so... that theory could very well be true Jay. ATD binds to the AR receptor? I thought it lowered aromatase by binding to the aromatase... I dunno shit.... I just want to raise my test levels naturally. nolvadex is bad for your liver... |
| Posted by: tysonsSon Jun 12 2009, 10:08 AM |
| I take weight gainer by gnc I take Melatonin every so often I take the one got 48 more pills left I smoke cigarettes |
| Posted by: (_)_)===D Jun 12 2009, 11:00 AM | ||
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| Posted by: joseph23573 Jun 12 2009, 11:04 AM | ||
I believe those are inta-anal 12 inch banana stacks with a McRibadrol going down the other hatch simultaneously (thats 80mg superdrol per McRibadrol) |
| Posted by: Doogsy Jun 12 2009, 11:53 AM | ||||
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| Posted by: texaswolf Jun 12 2009, 12:12 PM |
| Whey & a multi-vitamin |
| Posted by: Jake Varner Jun 12 2009, 10:13 PM |
| Whey Multi Fish Oil Elastamine Calcium MaxGXL |
| Posted by: cc-10 Jun 12 2009, 10:40 PM |
| Bronkaid Caff Asprin Whey |
| Posted by: Roids75787 Jun 12 2009, 10:46 PM |
| Whey protien Casien protien creatine cissus tren test |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 13 2009, 12:53 AM | ||||
ATD is recommended for a max of 8 weeks because it takes est too low to keep it there for very long. Can end up screwing up your lipids, hurting libido, etc. |
| Posted by: (_)_)===D Jun 13 2009, 05:26 AM | ||
No, he's using "Novedex" |
| Posted by: (_)_)===D Jun 13 2009, 05:28 AM | ||
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| Posted by: JW32Hoops Jun 13 2009, 05:38 AM |
| Whey Multi was taking Venom Hyperdrive 3.0+, but I read somewhere that it makes your dick shrink, so that shit's out |
| Posted by: Doogsy Jun 13 2009, 09:27 AM | ||||
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| Posted by: joseph23573 Jun 13 2009, 01:20 PM | ||
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| Posted by: On3musta Jun 13 2009, 01:24 PM |
| currently - nolva fish oil coq10 milk thistle hawthorne cissus-drol whey 5-htp phenibut |
| Posted by: Michael218532 Jun 13 2009, 01:31 PM |
| whey vit c lean xtreme dialene 4x every once in a while just ran out of cissus fish oil |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 13 2009, 08:09 PM |
| I generally stick w/ a few basics like whey, multi, c, coq-10, muscle milk, fish/flax oils. Right now I'm running arachidonic acid, so I'm avoiding omega'3 supps for the time. I'm always hitting the clearance rack at GNC, Affordable Supplements, etc, though. Any time I see something of use that's dirt cheap, I'll usually snap it up even if I don't need it immediately. |
| Posted by: (_)_)===D Jun 13 2009, 11:37 PM | ||
Do you feel ATD has any benefit for hypogonadism? I was initially under the impression it had a positive effect on it but not so sure any more. I noticed certain positive things when i used it on cycle briefly as an AI a while back. It appears there was a size increase but not as pronounced as HCG. At the same time, i noticed a negative change in strength. As if my gear was not as effective. I read that ATD can be used as a poor mans HCG. Basically a fairly high dose is used as a quick shock to the testes and then you gradually decrease the dosage. Example: 100mgs ED - days 1-4 50mgs ED - days 5-8 25mgs ED - days 9-12 But i can't seem to find any legit literature stating it has any affect on the gonads. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 14 2009, 02:28 AM |
| I've never messed w/ HCG but hve used ATD a number of times. From things I've read about it, the theory is that it pounds estrogen away and tricks the body into thinking that it needs more estrogen, so it starts cranking out more test, w/ the idea that some of it will aromatize into estrogen. Gaspari gave that explanation about it in Ironman mag a few yrs. ago when Novedex XT came out and he was interviewed about it. I'm not sure if that's exactly how it works but in 25-50 mg. doses it seems to help. I never go up to 75 or 100 anymore since whenever I used to it would kill libido for me. As far as hypogonadism, I don't know for sure. If someone had a chronic problem, it wouldn't be a good solution, since they recommend only 8 weeks at a time. In the short term, I think it's a decent option, though. Cheap as hell to buy. I've run it inverse to a SERM in PCT before and probably liked that protocol best. |
| Posted by: KmuL Jun 28 2009, 01:10 PM | ||
how you liking the Maniac? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 29 2009, 02:33 AM |
| Welcome to the forum, Kmul. Always good to see new faces. What are some of the things you take? |
| Posted by: yeashescool Jun 29 2009, 09:54 AM |
| I was going to start some Blue up to aid in PCT, but then got hepatitis. So now, Im just going to stick with protein, and weight gainer. Whey Tech from Vitamin Shoppe, and Up your Mass by MHP. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 29 2009, 04:05 PM | ||
I tried Blue Up once and liked it pretty well. |
| Posted by: DownTown Jun 30 2009, 06:54 PM |
| Diabolic Iso Whey Blend Waxy Maize Starch Purple Wrath Universal Uni-liver ( liver aminos ) and a sheet ton of food! as for anything else that is a secret  |
| Posted by: MichiganHater Jun 30 2009, 11:04 PM |
| Maniac is pretty decent the only thing I dont like it doesnt mix well I chew alot the bulk poweders in it at the end of the drink  Other than that pumps are good and everything for the price |
| Posted by: Alan115396 Jul 1 2009, 12:50 AM |
The One  |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jul 1 2009, 01:43 AM | ||
Alan, I thought of you when I was watching the news tonight and they announced there's pressure now to recall Vikes! |
| Posted by: Alan115396 Jul 1 2009, 01:51 AM | ||||
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| Posted by: joseph23573 Jul 14 2009, 11:04 AM |
| Im now taking testofen x and 17 hydroxy mesterone. ill keep you guys updated on the placebo affect i get from them.  |
| Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 14 2009, 12:00 PM |
| morning, with breakfast - multi, flax seed oil, neovar pre - ecy, pure karbolyn post - pure karbolyn, neovar protein pm, before bed - mucana pruriens, melatonin, ativan |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jul 14 2009, 12:08 PM |
| how is that neovar PF? |
| Posted by: Dungbeattle3 Jul 14 2009, 12:09 PM |
| I do not take anything.. But if there was a pill that would take the spare tire off around my waist I would buy it.. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jul 14 2009, 12:11 PM | ||
halodrol |
| Posted by: Dungbeattle3 Jul 14 2009, 12:15 PM | ||||
Really? I thought that was a Pro-Hormone?? |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jul 14 2009, 12:22 PM |
| Its a steroid, but it will get rid of the spare tire. |
| Posted by: Dungbeattle3 Jul 14 2009, 12:28 PM |
| I just tried to look for it on Bulk but came up with nothing.. where do you buy it.. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Jul 14 2009, 12:58 PM | ||
BN has it. CEL is pretty much to top dawg in PH/DS right now. http://www.bulknutrition.com/?manufacturers_id=311 |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jul 14 2009, 01:01 PM |
| dung, im just saying that it will get rid of fat. I dont condone roids, but if you are willing to take them and take a PCT and all, halodrol is the shizz when it comes to getting leaner. its a 4-chloro-methyl drug I believe. ive been natty for awhile myself. Im jacked and fat now. "jack n fat" LOL not really fat, but no more abs still strong as fuck tho... |
| Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 14 2009, 01:38 PM | ||
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| Posted by: Dungbeattle3 Jul 14 2009, 01:42 PM | ||
I have done pro-hormones before. I also ran a cycle of Anavar in college and a cycle of sust about a year out of college. I just wanted to try and do think naturally for a change. Been off sups for a year.. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jul 14 2009, 01:48 PM |
| from what I remember dung you were fuckin huge and could bench over 400lbs. I was pretty shredded and diesel myself, also got up 405 for one rep a few times. Thats when I was juicing... now I just take supps. right now im on testofen and 17 hydroxy mesterone. (just ordered the 17 mesterone) its hard getting shredded natty. you gotta eat like a bird and sacrifice all your size and strength. fuck that dood!!! at least for me, id rather have some fat, and stay off the roids which made me way too aggressive and an asshole (doesnt happen to everyone but im aggressive anyhow and add that stuff and well you know) PF the NEOVAR is THAT good? dang! I thought it was just creatine, no?  |
| Posted by: Dungbeattle3 Jul 14 2009, 01:56 PM | ||
I think I posted the pics back in the day.. I got into a really bad car accident and never really got everything back.. Then They thought I had cancer and I had to get my Colin checked. That sucked, I was all fucked up for a while. No problems, just a really bad bacterial infection. See clumps of blood in your toilet after taking a dump blows. I was up to 485 at one point.. I was 242 with a 8.5% body fat.. I was huge.. Now I'm 248 with like a 18% body fat.. went from a 36 waist to a 40 waist.. I will never be small, my back and shoulders are huge.. I really just want to get ride of the fat and see how I look. Just don't want to loose a ton of muscle.. my problem is I work 70 hours a week and only go to the gym like 2 or 3 times a week.. |
| Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 14 2009, 01:59 PM | ||
creatine phosphate and mono, d-pinitol, piperine probably being the most effective compounds in the blend...i think theres also banaba extract and another herbal thing that i never paid enough attention to learn about... it defn works better than c mono alone...the pumps are pretty amazing, i followed the instructions to take it with complex carbs but didn't see the results it claimed until I decided to wash them caps down w my post shake which consisted of about 50gms whey protein and 50 gms dextrose...gave the feel and appearance of a solid pumpfor about 3-5 hours after actually training that muscle group... doesn't do shit on non-training days so dont even bother. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 Jul 14 2009, 02:05 PM |
dung I hear ya.... I had a 32 inch waist and now I have a 40 inch waist I was ripped at 200lbs now Im 240. Im alot bigger, but fatter too  I have a hot ass chick tho who thinks im sexy so its all good  PF, I heard neovar DOES NOTHING maybe ill try it some time, sounds good. take it pre or post workout? |
| Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 14 2009, 04:26 PM | ||
...just ask theTanya or write to AN for some free samples of it. Really no harm in trying it... |