CLA PW, anyone?

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Posted by: GG007 Feb 8 2004, 09:18 PM

I take around 6g/day, wich is 8 NOW caps. I take one with every meal, including PW.

I was just wondering... who takes CLA PW? Do u think it can significantly slow down whey absorption (VP2)?

Btw, why do I have the feeling this section of the board is gonna be the biggest one?

Posted by: prolangtum Feb 8 2004, 09:22 PM

The slowing of digestion probaly wont be very signifigant. That being said, IMO CLA is an expensive supplement, and the results do not justify the price. I would opt for fish oil instead.

Posted by: Loki Feb 8 2004, 09:27 PM

I'm gonna' throw you a curve-ball answer, but, to be perfectly honest, I don't advocate CLA use...really...ever.

Only the '9,11' isomer displays any real beneficial qualities in human subjects, and, off the top of my head, given that CLA is only lipolytic in humans who are extremely obese to begin with (and virtually all of the fat loss is a reduction in VAT-- visceral abdominal fat), I think you're money would be better spent elsewhere, especially on better EFAs like Fish, Flax, & Olive Oil.

IMO, if you're cutting, CLA is of little use, and-- if bulking is one's primary goal-- CLA can be anti-catabolic, but it really only has positive applications on a @ high dosages [think >10g/day] because it promotes insulin resistance in adipocytes. The problem is that such @ high dosages the risk of inducing insulin resistance in skeletal muscle is also present, not to mention the possible induction of liver steatosis with heavy, continual use. Furthermore, since CLA is technically a 'bastard-N6-fatty acid,' taking large amounts of CLA will displace your good N3:N6 dietary fatty-acid intake ratio. For these reasons, I don't consider it to be worth the hefty price that such use warrants.

Lastly, I know CLA does have some antioxidant properties, but still, if you want a good anti-oxidant, N-A-C, ubiquinone, ALA, ALCAR, & Vits. C & E are all superior and cheaper choices. I have yet to see a single study that demonstrates CLA is lipolytic in healthy, active, non-obese humans. I'm not a rat or mouse, I do not have brown fat, and CLA will never promote adipocyte apoptosis in humans the way it can in rodents...

Posted by: shpongled Feb 8 2004, 11:50 PM

QUOTE (GG007 @ Feb 8 2004, 09:18 PM)

No, one gram of CLA is not going to significantly slow down absorption, but it may just be used as a fuel source during the postworkout period.

Posted by: shpongled Feb 8 2004, 11:56 PM

QUOTE (Loki @ Feb 8 2004, 09:27 PM)

I'm gonna' throw you a curve-ball answer, but, to be perfectly honest, I don't advocate CLA use...really...ever.

Only the '9,11' isomer displays any real beneficial qualities in human subjects, and, off the top of my head, given that CLA is only lipolytic in humans who are extremely obese to begin with (and virtually all of the fat loss is a reduction in VAT-- visceral abdominal fat), I think you're money would be better spent elsewhere, especially on better EFAs like Fish, Flax, & Olive Oil.

IMO, if you're cutting, CLA is of little use, and-- if bulking is one's primary goal-- CLA can be anti-catabolic, but it really only has positive applications on a @ high dosages [think >10g/day] because it promotes insulin resistance in adipocytes. The problem is that such high dosages the risk of inducing insulin resistance in skeletal muscle is also present, not to mention the possible induction of liver steatosis with heavy, continual use. Lastly, since CLA is technically a 'bastard-N6-fatty acid,' taking large amounts of CLA will displace your good N3:N6 dietary fatty-acid intake ratio. For these reasons, I don't consider it to be worth the hefty price that such use warrants.

Lastly, I know CLA does have some antioxidant properties, but still, if you want a good anti-oxidant, N-A-C, ubiquinone, ALA, ALCAR, & Vits. C & E are all superior and cheaper choices. I have yet to see a single study that demonstrates CLA is lipolytic in healthy, active, non-obese humans. I'm not a rat or mouse, I do not have brown fat, and CLA will never promote adipocyte apoptosis in humans the way it can in rodents...

While I agree with most of this, I think CLA (in large enough quantity) will cause fat loss in lean individuals, whether it is worth the side effects is another question. I don't know where the idea that CLA is an antioxidant originated; everything I've seen indicates that it increases oxidative stress. And, not only is it an n-6, but a trans fat.

The money and time could be better spent, IMO.