Pulsing - if u had to make a choice which 1?

60mg for 6 weeks

I agree I would not do any of them

cool! its funny that u chose CHOICE #1

DECABOLEN is selling the most from the 3 choices

I would have to say... NO, NO, NO, NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Decabolen is 10 mg SD, 10 mg PP and 25 mg Hdrol

And you wann take that 1 cap pre and 1 cap post = 20 mg SD 20mg PP and 50 HDrol

Then bump it up too... 2 caps pre and 2 post??? = 40 mg SD 40 mg PP and 100 mg Hdrol.

You havent run any major cycles before!!! Why did you bail on the Epi/11oxo/4ad after 3 weeks? How did you do with the orginal 1ad/4ad cycle you ran?

i have to disagree becuz the decabolen is being pulsed M-W-F & if not overkill w/a very strong line of supports.


There r people that ran decabolen as a straight threw. i wud say no to that.


ive completed a straight threw w/ original 1AD & 4AD which is very potent.


i bailed out w/my second cycle becuz the timing was off. summer came & i had social obligations that pulled me away w/my last cycle

THX MAN!

its been 4 years since my injury, i hope my arm shud be fully recovered by now. except for the cool scar i got & maybe sum missing fascia. But ur right, i gota becareful to avoid situations like this http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=44219

i dun wana make it worse.

So you disagree with me because it is being pulsed, fair enough. Just something I would not pulse due to the highly toxic nature of 2 of the supplements (SD and PP). Not to mention you are running 3 methyls. I understand that pulsing is suppose to reduce SE but just not in this case. I could maybe see pusling either SD or PP for 8 weeks.

Why dont you run either SD or PP for 4 weeks and see how it goes? I dont have personal experience with PP but I know my first cycle of SD was 10/20/20/20 and gained 18lbs... went from 180ish to close to 200 on a 4000 a day clean diet, but was also doing 2-a-days. If it was me, I would get some Havoc/Epi and run it for 4-5 weeks, this stuff gives great strength and size gains without being overly toxic like the other two. Use proper support supps and PCT. I think you will be surpirsed with the results. I know your body and liver will thank you in the long run.

listen to joseph if you have a injury you dont want to use these compounds. your strength dramatically increases overnight and if you are injuried just a recipe for more injuries.

I seriously hope this is just a big joke of a thread...

You have not run any true cycles except for 1ad with 4ad... how do you know you feel like crap on oral cycles? Are you judging this from your epi/11oxo/4ad cycle ?

Well good luck with this dumb pulse cycle (like was said above, more is not always better)... if your liver and kidneys start to shutdown you will REALLY feel like crap. Hope you have looked a blood work of people that have run this stuff, even on a pulse not going to be pretty. They can say they are fine but if no blood work was done then they really do not know for sure.

FYI: Preload all your support supps starting 3 weeks or so before you start. And run this throughout the cycle and throughout PCT.

*****Please anyone that reads this DO NOT follow this cycle unless you are VERY experienced with PH/steroids and know what you are getting into, even then its not a good idea.*****

how many cycles do i need to run?

i did 1AD/4AD successfully w/the minimums w/out the knowledge i have 2day.

1AD/4AD r top of the line PHS

1AD converts 2 1-TEST & 4AD converts TEST which people reported that they cudnt tell the difference from injectable test & 4AD.

4AD also shuts u down harder then injectable Test, reason being that with an injection or oral steroid, their is a 'spike' in hormone levels.

my attempt w/ EPI\11-0XO\4DERM was also very successful as in strength, i added 30lbs+ w/ all my lifts w/in those 2.5-3weeks.

i bailed out becuz of social obligations. i choice to stop, over the cycle. that was a no brainer for me. I can alwas do another cycle @ a more convient time.

i felt like shit both cycles excluding week 1. i even ran 4AD w/both of those cycles & still hated it. so i know i hate orals cycles. the only time i liked being on was in the gym during those 2 oral cycles. this is why im guna experiment w/pulsing.

@ the beggining of my post my question was "Pulsing - if u had to make a choice which 1?" & i laid out the options.

i know how 2 cycle & i hav a excellent line of over kill of supports 4 before, threw out & pct. i also hav a serm for on hand during the pulse & pct.

the only thing i can agree w/u on is the last week @2caps w/DECABOLIN & *****Please anyone that reads this DO NOT follow this cycle unless you are VERY experienced with PH/steroids and know what you are getting into, even then its not a good idea.*****

im not guna get fucked over w/this pulse cycle or run into complications w/my choices & layout structure of compounds.

people have done 8 week M-W-F Superdrol pulse cycles @40-50mg+ w/no problems. Since im guna pulse im guna push it to its limit.

im also guna make sum adjustments thxs 2 ur input & im guna do a extra week @the beginning to complete the bottle or save for left overs

other then that whats the problem...?

happy w/gains but the thought of a oral straight threw does not appeal2 me anymore.

according 2 the final results the gains where huge w/decabolin w/straight threw cycles.

i do agree that and one DS would cover this but honestly i dun want to do that much SD LOL

I was going to be done with this thread but...

Yes, I know how 1ad and 4ad work, I have used them too and they were very affective and I loved them. The thing is, I have also used SD, Havoc and Hdrol all in normal length cycles with very good results. With my first SD cycle for 3 weeks I added 50-60lbs to my lifts!!! Yeah crazy and thats SD dosed at 10/20/20! The stuff is great but very toxic. Havoc gave similar gains but were slower and not as dramatic. Hdrol was a recomp/cut and that was awesome got down to 5% BF at 185lbs.

The thing is SD, PP, Epi/havoc and Hdrol are very different from the two for mentioned PHs. SD is some hardcore sh*t, along with PP. They are both very toxic to the body. Look up some of the blood work of people that used low doses and only for 3-4 weeks (the threads are still out there) See how the lipid levels dipped very very low. Yes I know they were dosed everyday and you are "pulsing." But you are planning to pulse 3 methyls for 8 weeks and 2 of them are some of the most toxic compounds since M1T. Just think you would get the same gains with way less risk by changing your cycle.

I love how you keep saying people pulsed this and were fine. How do you know they were fine? Did you see the blood work before and after? Did they even get blood work? My feeling is probably not or if they did they just posted all was good and probably never got it. And you said they pulsed just SD @ 50mg and you are taking about using 20mg SD + 20 mg PP and 50 mg Hdrol!!!

Just because you want to push it to the limits doesnt mean you have to take a bunch of roids. There was a column a while back that Lee Priest wrote about how he laughed at all these kids in the gym taking all this crap. Most of the time it was way more than most professionals were taking. Push the limits in the gym and with your diet and that will give you the best results.

I understand you want to get the most from your cycle, thats everyone goal when they start a cycle. What are you trying to do? bulk? cut? recomp? from the sounds of it you want to bulk, right? Why not just pulse SD and see how it goes? Then maybe next time try a more "complex" stack when you know how your body reacts. You said you felt like crap on oral cycles and didnt like them... I think this would be the smarter idea to see how you respond to a pulse cycle and see if those crappy feelings going away. I think you would make great gains on an SD only pulse.

i did not say that people pulse this and that and they where fine. u are incorrectly comprehending my statements.

i shud of said to be more clear that peopke have ran SD @50mg+ w/out any severe problems not no problems

any u take has the ability to cause problems.

i kno how to lift weights & nutrient also & kno the basics. im more of a natural body builder that doest rely on ph/aas to make gains. but interested in how my body wud react to these compounds.



dun wana do that much superdrol and still be able to hav a strong pulse cycle.

I seriously give up on you man...

Okay yeah they didnt have serious problems but my question was how did you know there internal body was not under going serious issues trying to recover? Did they get blood work pre cycle and post PCT? and did you see the lab results? Thats the ONLY way to know if you are fine and recovered 100%

Go ahead run this you obviously do not listen and are going to do it. Hopefully you dont run into the same problems as your previous oral cycles or even worse problems.

oh yea i remember havin that convo w/u a long time ago

Epi - pulse & 4AD trans straight threw for 8 weeks sounds like a very enjoyable cycle

im guna do this cycle for sure

right now i really want to see how a pulse cycle alone wud make me feel. but the Epi pulse & 4AD trans i see green lights everywhere lol


guna go with either

MONSTER PACK - SD, TREN & stack that w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - 1 methyl

or


Finaflex 550-XD - SD, Finigenx & stack that w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - 1 methyl



it wud like to use 4AD Trans as a straight threw along w/the pulses i just gota hold back for now becuase i really want to know how i wud feel w/a oral pulse cycle, if i wud feel like shit or not

so far im happy w/both those stacks for a 8 Week Pulse (M-W-F w/4 days2 recover) any suggestions anyone?

Thx man!


CHOICE #3
or
Finaflex 550-XD - SD, Finigenx, stack w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - (1 methyl) yeehhahhhhh!!!

whats the problem?


frustration in a convo is a true sign of lack of intelligence...u claim that i obviously dun understand & in fact i see alot of irony w/ur statement...

LMFAO dun listen to me im jus playin w/ya

But Honestly Thx Homie!:) i really wanted sumone like you to hammer into my proposed cycle of compounds becuz it leads me to the right direction, leaving me w/a strong final result


anyone else hav further suggestions?

CHOICE #3
or
Finaflex 550-XD - SD, Finigenx, stack w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - (1 methyl) yeehhahhhhh!!!

whats the problem?

pls explain? (not being sarcastic)

obviously u dun hav to stack a bunch of DS to make great gains

did not make that statement...

will i make more gains if i do that? (not being sarcastic)

i totally agree w/u.

im also guna follow from ur experience & take a weeks break... value the use of a serm & overkill of supports to avoid shutdown / sides & to recuperate.

i might also take more breaks to avoid shut down / sides when needed.

understood & will proceed w/caution. if it gets2 much ill drop the extra compound. Prop or Tren which ever one i choose, if needed.

i dun wana take that much SD, do u hav any other suggestions?

no i havnt been looking to add more & more. i wanted to add one more compound 2 choice #3 or the Finaflex 550-XD. so if i take out the Prop or Tren which ever i choose will i make more gains or do u hav other suggestions?

the cheapest one lol

I might... go w/ Tren Extreme... which is the same brand used in FinaFlex. depending on cost, or Trena.

or stick w/the propadrol which is a lighter/weaker ph that i already hav.

why would you add tren when finaflex already had tren in it?

i am adding tren as a option becuz it is pulse cycle. normally the doses r run higher. it is a very common practice when pulsing. if u look at the layouts of pulse cycles it is the recommended & majority of the structure. ive alway seen pulse cycles where the compounds r being run high. i cant take out the tren from the other pills & even if i cud i wud run out @the end.

even if i use another brand they will be differences but im not too concern about that it still wud be similar

im still debating on either Tren or Prop. what i am concern about if i go to higher w/the Tren there is a huge possibility sides like hair loss & gyno & feeling like shit still might be a concern over time even when pulsing. like if i where to go higher w/the SD there is a huge posibility i might still start to feel like shit even when pulsing which is a huge concern to me

If i go w/the propadrol its a easy cycle to run as a straight threw so adding in a pulse shud be more of a pleasant lighter route to take & hopefully still increase the gains

then why did u ask me why i wanted to add tren if u understand the concept of pulsing and how to setup a cycle?

i disagree more SD will hav a greater oportunity for SD's characteristics of s/e. more TREN will hav a greater oportunity for Tren's characteristics of s/e.

obviously they "all" will be a greater risk in s/e but addin more SD or TREN wud involve a greater risk of their own characteristics of s/e.


the tren is jus a option where the s/e where more bare able as reported then SD's s/e

i hav already stated that i dun want to do more SD (again repeating myself)






most likely ill go w/the prop a lighter compound.

Thank you for ur concern

ur input has definitely help me2 construct a more appealing & safer 1st run pulse cycle...