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| QUOTE (accent115 @ Aug 19 2008, 07:45 PM) | | Are you unhappy with the 10lbs you can gain from a normal DS cycle? The gains aren't going to be that insane from taking a bunch of them. The reason people gain more on injectable is because you can take them for longer. Taking a bunch of roids for 8 weeks isn't going to make you that much bigger than taking one for 8. The body can only pack on so much retainable muscle in that amount of time, and one DS would cover this. |
happy w/gains but the thought of a oral straight threw does not appeal2 me anymore. according 2 the final results the gains where huge w/decabolin w/ straight threw cycles. i do agree that and one DS would cover this but honestly i dun want to do that much SD LOL
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| QUOTE (MUSTANG_6IX_9INE @ Aug 19 2008, 07:24 PM) | | *** |
I was going to be done with this thread but... Yes, I know how 1ad and 4ad work, I have used them too and they were very affective and I loved them. The thing is, I have also used SD, Havoc and Hdrol all in normal length cycles with very good results. With my first SD cycle for 3 weeks I added 50-60lbs to my lifts!!! Yeah crazy and thats SD dosed at 10/20/20! The stuff is great but very toxic. Havoc gave similar gains but were slower and not as dramatic. Hdrol was a recomp/cut and that was awesome got down to 5% BF at 185lbs. The thing is SD, PP, Epi/ havoc and Hdrol are very different from the two for mentioned PHs. SD is some hardcore sh*t, along with PP. They are both very toxic to the body. Look up some of the blood work of people that used low doses and only for 3-4 weeks (the threads are still out there) See how the lipid levels dipped very very low. Yes I know they were dosed everyday and you are "pulsing." But you are planning to pulse 3 methyls for 8 weeks and 2 of them are some of the most toxic compounds since M1T. Just think you would get the same gains with way less risk by changing your cycle. I love how you keep saying people pulsed this and were fine. How do you know they were fine? Did you see the blood work before and after? Did they even get blood work? My feeling is probably not or if they did they just posted all was good and probably never got it. And you said they pulsed just SD @ 50mg and you are taking about using 20mg SD + 20 mg PP and 50 mg Hdrol!!! Just because you want to push it to the limits doesnt mean you have to take a bunch of roids. There was a column a while back that Lee Priest wrote about how he laughed at all these kids in the gym taking all this crap. Most of the time it was way more than most professionals were taking. Push the limits in the gym and with your diet and that will give you the best results. I understand you want to get the most from your cycle, thats everyone goal when they start a cycle. What are you trying to do? bulk? cut? recomp? from the sounds of it you want to bulk, right? Why not just pulse SD and see how it goes? Then maybe next time try a more "complex" stack when you know how your body reacts. You said you felt like crap on oral cycles and didnt like them... I think this would be the smarter idea to see how you respond to a pulse cycle and see if those crappy feelings going away. I think you would make great gains on an SD only pulse.
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| QUOTE (Stephen57799 @ Aug 19 2008, 08:20 PM) | | QUOTE (MUSTANG_6IX_9INE @ Aug 19 2008, 07:24 PM) | | *** |
I was going to be done with this thread but... Yes, I know how 1ad and 4ad work, I have used them too and they were very affective and I loved them. The thing is, I have also used SD, Havoc and Hdrol all in normal length cycles with very good results. With my first SD cycle for 3 weeks I added 50-60lbs to my lifts!!! Yeah crazy and thats SD dosed at 10/20/20! The stuff is great but very toxic. Havoc gave similar gains but were slower and not as dramatic. Hdrol was a recomp/cut and that was awesome got down to 5% BF at 185lbs. The thing is SD, PP, Epi/ havoc and Hdrol are very different from the two for mentioned PHs. SD is some hardcore sh*t, along with PP. They are both very toxic to the body. Look up some of the blood work of people that used low doses and only for 3-4 weeks (the threads are still out there) See how the lipid levels dipped very very low. Yes I know they were dosed everyday and you are "pulsing." But you are planning to pulse 3 methyls for 8 weeks and 2 of them are some of the most toxic compounds since M1T. Just think you would get the same gains with way less risk by changing your cycle. I love how you keep saying people pulsed this and were fine. How do you know they were fine? Did you see the blood work before and after? Did they even get blood work? My feeling is probably not or if they did they just posted all was good and probably never got it. And you said they pulsed just SD @ 50mg and you are taking about using 20mg SD + 20 mg PP and 50 mg Hdrol!!! Just because you want to push it to the limits doesnt mean you have to take a bunch of roids. There was a column a while back that Lee Priest wrote about how he laughed at all these kids in the gym taking all this crap. Most of the time it was way more than most professionals were taking. Push the limits in the gym and with your diet and that will give you the best results. I understand you want to get the most from your cycle, thats everyone goal when they start a cycle. What are you trying to do? bulk? cut? recomp? from the sounds of it you want to bulk, right? Why not just pulse SD and see how it goes? Then maybe next time try a more "complex" stack when you know how your body reacts. You said you felt like crap on oral cycles and didnt like them... I think this would be the smarter idea to see how you respond to a pulse cycle and see if those crappy feelings going away. I think you would make great gains on an SD only pulse. |
i did not say that people pulse this and that and they where fine. u are incorrectly comprehending my statements. i shud of said to be more clear that peopke have ran SD @50mg+ w/out any severe problems not no problems any u take has the ability to cause problems. i kno how to lift weights & nutrient also & kno the basics. im more of a natural body builder that doest rely on ph/aas to make gains. but interested in how my body wud react to these compounds. dun wana do that much superdrol and still be able to hav a strong pulse cycle.
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| QUOTE (MUSTANG_6IX_9INE @ Aug 19 2008, 08:36 PM) | | QUOTE (Stephen57799 @ Aug 19 2008, 08:20 PM) | | QUOTE (MUSTANG_6IX_9INE @ Aug 19 2008, 07:24 PM) | | *** |
I was going to be done with this thread but... Yes, I know how 1ad and 4ad work, I have used them too and they were very affective and I loved them. The thing is, I have also used SD, Havoc and Hdrol all in normal length cycles with very good results. With my first SD cycle for 3 weeks I added 50-60lbs to my lifts!!! Yeah crazy and thats SD dosed at 10/20/20! The stuff is great but very toxic. Havoc gave similar gains but were slower and not as dramatic. Hdrol was a recomp/cut and that was awesome got down to 5% BF at 185lbs. The thing is SD, PP, Epi/ havoc and Hdrol are very different from the two for mentioned PHs. SD is some hardcore sh*t, along with PP. They are both very toxic to the body. Look up some of the blood work of people that used low doses and only for 3-4 weeks (the threads are still out there) See how the lipid levels dipped very very low. Yes I know they were dosed everyday and you are "pulsing." But you are planning to pulse 3 methyls for 8 weeks and 2 of them are some of the most toxic compounds since M1T. Just think you would get the same gains with way less risk by changing your cycle. I love how you keep saying people pulsed this and were fine. How do you know they were fine? Did you see the blood work before and after? Did they even get blood work? My feeling is probably not or if they did they just posted all was good and probably never got it. And you said they pulsed just SD @ 50mg and you are taking about using 20mg SD + 20 mg PP and 50 mg Hdrol!!! Just because you want to push it to the limits doesnt mean you have to take a bunch of roids. There was a column a while back that Lee Priest wrote about how he laughed at all these kids in the gym taking all this crap. Most of the time it was way more than most professionals were taking. Push the limits in the gym and with your diet and that will give you the best results. I understand you want to get the most from your cycle, thats everyone goal when they start a cycle. What are you trying to do? bulk? cut? recomp? from the sounds of it you want to bulk, right? Why not just pulse SD and see how it goes? Then maybe next time try a more "complex" stack when you know how your body reacts. You said you felt like crap on oral cycles and didnt like them... I think this would be the smarter idea to see how you respond to a pulse cycle and see if those crappy feelings going away. I think you would make great gains on an SD only pulse. |
i did not say that people pulse this and that and they where fine. u are incorrectly comprehending my statements. i shud of said to be more clear that peopke have ran SD @50mg+ w/out any severe problems not no problems any u take has the ability to cause problems. i kno how to lift weights & nutrient also & kno the basics. im more of a natural body builder that doest rely on ph/aas to make gains. but interested in how my body wud react to these compounds. dun wana do that much superdrol and still be able to hav a strong pulse cycle. |
I seriously give up on you man... Okay yeah they didnt have serious problems but my question was how did you know there internal body was not under going serious issues trying to recover? Did they get blood work pre cycle and post PCT? and did you see the lab results? Thats the ONLY way to know if you are fine and recovered 100% Go ahead run this you obviously do not listen and are going to do it. Hopefully you dont run into the same problems as your previous oral cycles or even worse problems.
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im not goin to listen to u becuz i dun agree w/u. i agreed w/u taking 4 caps is bad I agreed w/u w/the warning i did not say @one moment that these people are fine...again repeating myself. even after one compound u hav to recover & get blood work2 kno if ur fine and recovered 100% & obviously the recovery is greater w/decabolin these people where not fucked over and able to recover @ a high 3 day dose SD pulse cycle. (the 3 day high doses is how u pulse becuz of the 4 days off *hint* *hint*) DR. D even recommends SD who created pulsing w/less sides
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did sum more shopping, i agree i shud do sumthing lighter but not too light before goin in2 sumthing as strong as Decabolin. especially my 1st time doin a pulse cycle. looking @ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Testadrol 50 60caps by DNA - SUPERDROL , M1,4ADD, Xtreme TREN - only 2 methyl not 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- still ify w/this one... if the M1,4ADD was either epi or h-drol i wud feel more comfortable. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Finaflex 550-XD - Superdrol, Finigenx - only 1 methyl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- plus it comes w/ Estrogen Blocker (AI) Real Levels of Liver Care Anabolic Amplifier (DHB) guna stack the Finaflex w/a bottle of Propadrol i forgot i had lying around in a 8 week pulse cycle - 3 compounds & still only 1 methyl or stack it w/a tren compound im prolly most likely guna go w/ Finaflex 550-XD stacked w/ Propadrol or a Tren compound when i make the final decision. i have more confidence w/this stack for a 1st time pulse cycle. only one methly and im still really fond w/the compounds.  yeehhhahhhhh! any suggestions, comments?
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I'd go back to that transdermal 4AD and epi straight cycle, if it were me. That should make you feel pretty vital, I would think. Not the kind of cycle that'd have you lethargic or anything. The anti-estogenic properties of the epi would be a good pairing w/ the 4AD since 4AD coverts to test and cn bring some bloat. Something I've considered doing is running transdermal 4AD for 8 weeks, w/ the epi coming in on the last 4 of those weeks. With a moderate dose of epi, sides would be minimized. You could also just pulse the epi all the way though those 8 weeks or maybe just 6 of them to be more conservative. As far as just pulsing, w/ those options you mentioned, I'd go w/ #3, since SD is very well regarded as a pulser. There are a lot of logs on it and ppl. seem to get good results w/ little in the way of sides. I would shy away from options 1 and 2.
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| QUOTE (Josh47933 @ Aug 19 2008, 10:49 PM) | I'd go back to that transdermal 4AD and epi straight cycle, if it were me. That should make you feel pretty vital, I would think. Not the kind of cycle that'd have you lethargic or anything. The anti-estogenic properties of the epi would be a good pairing w/ the 4AD since 4AD coverts to test and cn bring some bloat.
Something I've considered doing is running transdermal 4AD for 8 weeks, w/ the epi coming in on the last 4 of those weeks. With a moderate dose of epi, sides would be minimized. You could also just pulse the epi all the way though those 8 weeks or maybe just 6 of them to be more conservative.
As far as just pulsing, w/ those options you mentioned, I'd go w/ #3, since SD is very well regarded as a pulser. There are a lot of logs on it and ppl. seem to get good results w/ little in the way of sides. I would shy away from options 1 and 2. |
oh yea i remember havin that convo w/u a long time ago Epi - pulse & 4AD trans straight threw for 8 weeks sounds like a very enjoyable cycle im guna do this cycle for sure right now i really want to see how a pulse cycle alone wud make me feel. but the Epi pulse & 4AD trans i see green lights everywhere lol guna go with either MONSTER PACK - SD, TREN & stack that w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - 1 methyl or Finaflex 550-XD - SD, Finigenx & stack that w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - 1 methyl it wud like to use 4AD Trans as a straight threw along w/the pulses i just gota hold back for now becuase i really want to know how i wud feel w/a oral pulse cycle, if i wud feel like shit or not so far im happy w/both those stacks for a 8 Week Pulse (M-W-F w/4 days2 recover) any suggestions anyone?
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| QUOTE (Stephen57799 @ Aug 20 2008, 07:45 AM) | I have given up on this tread you obviously dont understand...
You should get every DS thats out and pulse them together. Should be crazy GAINS!!! |
Thx man!  CHOICE #3 or Finaflex 550-XD - SD, Finigenx, stack w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - (1 methyl) yeehhahhhhh!!! whats the problem? frustration in a convo is a true sign of lack of intelligence...u claim that i obviously dun understand & in fact i see alot of irony w/ur statement... LMFAO dun listen to me im jus playin w/ya  But Honestly Thx Homie!:) i really wanted sumone like you to hammer into my proposed cycle of compounds becuz it leads me to the right direction, leaving me w/a strong final result anyone else hav further suggestions?
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| QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Aug 20 2008, 09:37 AM) | | mustang_6ix_9ine GO FUCK URSELF YOU DONT KNOW SHIT AND YER GONNA DIE FROM AN ORAL CYCLE BWAHHHH BWAHHHHH BWAHHHH!!!!! |
CHOICE #3 or Finaflex 550-XD - SD, Finigenx, stack w/either Tren or Propadrol for a 8 week pulse - (1 methyl) yeehhahhhhh!!! whats the problem?
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I have been following this thread and have seen a few recommendations on just running a straight cycle. The thing I liked about the pulse that I ran was ability to hold on to the gains with little to no pct. I have done two straight SD cycles one of 5.5 weeks at 20/30/40/40/50 with a solid pct I blew up like an animal, but had to fight with major shutdown and in the end only kept 4 pounds of my 15 gained. The second cycle was a 3.5 week 20/30/30 gained like 8 pounds but again the shutdown was so harsh I found it difficult to maintain much. As for my Epi pulse I did. I didn't shut down until I hit 50 per day, when that happened I took a week off with my serm than went back to 30 per day for the remainder. I found it way easier to maintain the results I achieved on my pulse as I didn't have to fight through a lack in Natty Test at the end. I do agree one methyl dosed moderately will be awesome. The gains will come slower but will stick around much easier.
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| QUOTE (Stephen57799 @ Aug 20 2008, 02:09 PM) | concept of deminishing returns...
there is an optimal doses assoc with all AAS this is because there are only a certain number of receptor binding sites. yes you could increase the dose and maybe add a couple more pounds but it takes a much larger increase in dose and then you start to impart many, many more side effects... and usually not worth the sides.
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understood & will proceed w/caution. if it gets2 much ill drop the extra compound. Prop or Tren which ever one i choose, if needed. | QUOTE (Stephen57799 @ Aug 20 2008, 02:09 PM) |
if you agree with me that you dont have to stack a bunch of DS to make great gains then why do you insist on using so many DSs?
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i dun wana take that much SD, do u hav any other suggestions? | QUOTE (Stephen57799 @ Aug 20 2008, 02:09 PM) |
and no you didnt say that one statement but it seems that way from the stack you have proposed... you have always been looking to add more and more... "sometimes simple is better than complex"
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no i havnt been looking to add more & more. i wanted to add one more compound 2 choice #3 or the Finaflex 550-XD. so if i take out the Prop or Tren which ever i choose will i make more gains or do u hav other suggestions?
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