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| Posted by: Will109090 Jul 30 2008, 11:32 PM |
| Anyone tried this shit? NP is having a buy 1, get 1 free sale on the original Neovar, so I thought I may pick it up. From the ingredients, it seems as though it's just CEE with a couple other herbs thrown in. What is this stuff used for? |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Jul 30 2008, 11:44 PM |
| From the reviews here it sounds like it's better than Test E or something. |
| Posted by: accent115 Jul 31 2008, 10:02 AM |
| lol its creatine what do you think its used for. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Jul 31 2008, 10:39 AM |
| its terrible. |
| Posted by: Big_Ben Jul 31 2008, 01:15 PM |
| Dude the original is good stuff, if its buy one get one free you are getting a steal...well if you were stealing it it'd be free....bad comparison!!! Run it just like the new stuff, take it then 15 minutes later carb up! You are exactly right its CEE...you gotta know what Creatine Ethyl Ester is by now. The few "Herbs"... Banaba Extract which safely stimulates greater levels of glucose, creatine, and protein into muscle cells, without increasing plasma insulin levels. It has repartitioning effects that will shuttle the stuff you want like glucose from simple carbs after your workout, to the muscle cell instead of fat cells. Which this process will then help retain a more positive nitrogen balance equalling greater recovery and more building muscle. Rhodiola Rosea which increases ATP and creatine stores. ATP is important for muscle energy, and is what your muscle uses. So better recovery and more energy while helping your muscles retain more creatine!! On top of this help mental awareness and stress management...cool addition but ATP is more important, this is just a bonus. So these "herbs" are a nice addition to allowing the CEE work better, and help your muscles absorb more glucose, protein, and creatine faster and more efficiently = you being BIGGER, STRONGER, and FASTER!!! Thus ends today's lesson in "The more you know, the more you grow" brotha's!!! Big Ben's your hook up, holla if you hear me!!! SOLID PRODUCT in my opinion! I really don't think you'll be mad for buying one and getting one free. Your pumps should start feeling rock solid after about a week to a week and a half. Then your muscles should feel tighter and harder...basically fuller but pumped and resting. I actually wish we weren't discontinuing it, since some creatines work better for some than others. CEE works well for me, but this product worked amazingly. I'd blast some curls and run upstairs and make my wife feel how hard my bi's were, felt awesome. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Jul 31 2008, 02:13 PM |
| no offense to you ben, but this stuff really is bunk man. |
| Posted by: Mike81203 Jul 31 2008, 04:41 PM |
| i tried the new neovar and it was really bad.. and ive tried almost every creatine out there. i took with carbs as indicated and nothing. oops |
| Posted by: cc-10 Jul 31 2008, 04:52 PM |
| i liked it, it gave me a good pump and it was free |
| Posted by: OmniRed Jul 31 2008, 04:58 PM |
| Best creatine i've ever taken was Size on Tablets, Neovar was probably the worst i've ever taken. |
| Posted by: Alex226408 Aug 1 2008, 08:33 AM |
| Well i am starting the neovar/drive/rpm and stack now so we will see how it goes for me. To be honest i coudlnt really find any REAL good reveiws on it but there was a hype for it and the neovar was cheap so i said what the heck. Previously i took storm with shock therapy and absolutely loved it. Ill be sure to post a reveiw of how the two stacks compared. |
| Posted by: Big_Ben Aug 8 2008, 12:48 PM | ||
Like I said some people respond differently to different types of Creatine. It could be CEE just isn't what your body needs to respond. Size On doesn't even contain CEE. I mean I'm in my 2nd week of an old formula bottle and I'm already feeling tighter, and making strength gains with a ton more intensity. My arms feel like they could burst the day after training them, and the muscle flexed feels super hard. I love it! |
| Posted by: brad82 Aug 8 2008, 01:14 PM |
| Big_Ben, can you hook me up with a sample bottle to test out? please |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 8 2008, 03:20 PM | ||||
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| Posted by: Vitruvian Aug 8 2008, 04:16 PM | ||
What are the odds you could explain this? |
| Posted by: Vitruvian Aug 10 2008, 05:14 PM | ||||||
Where you at Big Red? If you're gonna claim Neovar is bunk, followed by Sizeon tablets of all things worked best for you, followed by being a creatine non-responder..... I'd like to hear you truly explain any/all of the above. The Neovar formula honestly can't be argued against by anyone. The sciende behind it is as solid as anything else on the market, and in 99% of cases, it's much better. Let's see what you got man... maybe I am missing something that your brilliance can enlighten me on |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 10 2008, 06:41 PM | ||||||||
That's smart. Im fully entitled to think your product is garbage. You're a rep for a company - so you think its a good idea to sit here and borate end users and call them out to explain themselves? Nice marketing strategy. First off, i dont owe you a damn thing much less an explanation but since im a nice guy ill give it to you for free. As Ben mentioned - Size ON Tablets and Neovar are diametrically different. So, one would assume that if one were "acceptable" in results - the other might not work for me. Neovar was complete shit. I ran it for 60 days after running Size On Tablets. I responded better to the Gaspari than i did to Neovar. Why is that difficult for you to understand? I responded better to ISS Gainer Matrix than True gains. Is that weird too? Or are some people's bodies genetically predisposed to utilize nutritional combinations differently than the person next to them? In general i don't have "great" luck with creatine response. Some people will take creatine in Mono form and gain 10 lbs. Other people wont gain a pound. I gained maybe 2-3 lbs from the Size on and lost it when i got off - Took the Neovar and never gained a lb back. Why might this be the case? Cause i dont respond to shitty Neovar and i do to Size On. Different compositions - different effects for Different people. Got it? |
| Posted by: Stephen57799 Aug 10 2008, 07:57 PM | ||||||||||
Gezzz... who gains 10 pounds from mono...??? in how long? with what diet? You are not a nonresponder, thats so funny. How can you be a nonresponder to something that helps the body replinish ATP stores and buffer lactic acid, just to name a few effects. It is not AAS, your not going to blow up because you take a bottle of this or that. It is a staple supplement that is proven to studies to increase recovery and aid in muscle growth. I really dont get why people bash certain products because they dont get huge off them... It is almost like saying why take BCAA or flaxseed/omega 3s, I didnt gain a bunch of weight off it so it doesnt work. I can tell you the Neovar/Drive/RPM/AP stack definately works. Went through a bottle of each, strength and recover was greatly improved and had some of the sickest workouts ever. I believe in results and definately saw them. |
| Posted by: Stephen57799 Aug 10 2008, 08:05 PM |
| and one of the effects of creatine is drawing water/nutrients into the muscle.... go off it and guess what you loose a little water weight; there are also so many other factors, i mean how was your diet while on neovar vs size on. just dont know how you say one creatine is garbage and only take it for a short time. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 10 2008, 09:59 PM |
| Dont be a moron man. I've been doing this for a long time i understand what creatine is. It's not AAS dumbass - but the thing is some people respond to different formulations better. CEE for some people will be awesome, other people do better on KreA some people do great on Mono. Size on had a combination that worked "better" for me. Same diet on Neovar as with Size on, but i responded better to Gaspari's formulation. Ben seems to understand this which is why he's a much better rep - i clearly stated there was no offence here, and im not the ONLY one who says Neovar is garbage. 99% of the Supp industry is flour mixed with bullshit and Hyped. Neovar is no different it's the latest and greatest until they come out with something with a different bottle and pill color. Then people will pay 35 for it vs 28. You completely missed the point - People CAN BE non responsive, mildly responsive or super responsive to different products. If you think otherwise you're a dumbass. I've stated this whole thing so fucking clearly even Bomb_r2 would understand it. Also - no one even mentioned Drive and RPM - im only vouching for NeoVar. ONCE AGAIN no one said AN was garbage, i said NEOVAR was. Is this really that difficult for you people to grasp? |
| Posted by: The Iron Angus Aug 11 2008, 04:05 AM |
| Each person as an individual is going to respond differently to different products for better or worse. That doesn't make product A necessarily better than product B. It just means that everyone is different and what might work for one may not work for another. Same thing with certain exercises. I personally hate decline bench press for example and feel I don't get much out of it. However there are tons of people who do it and get great results. Do I feel its a bad exercise? No. I just feel that for me as an individual I don't respond to it and there are other exercises for lower chest that I respond better to. |
| Posted by: Stephen57799 Aug 11 2008, 08:37 AM | ||
Okay wow, such harshess and strong language. I only brought AAS up to make a point... 10 pounds on creatine, please give me that creatine. Yes, the two products are different. One focus on increase creatine uptake with the added ingrediants (Neovar), while the other Size On has a different type extras. Glycerol Monostearate and some different types of sodium, which all increase water uptake and cause you to retain more water. Thats probably why you said you gained a couple pounds on this and then lost it... water can be a funny thing. Have to remember there is research/studies out there that say Mono is still the king of creatine. I do agree that this industry is WAY over hyped. People expect dramatic results from supps. And there is always something new and "better" around the corner. "Awww F*uck it dude, lets go bowling." |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 11 2008, 08:51 AM |
| but wait... Celltech said it would put 7 lbs on me in 7 days? Are you saying this isnt true?! LIES! |
| Posted by: Vitruvian Aug 11 2008, 06:29 PM |
| Thank you for your response. And FYI, we reformulated Neovar to make it BETTER, and DROPPED the price. Now..... channel that anger into your weightlifting and maybe a good book and you might get somewhere in this world |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 11 2008, 09:25 PM |
| You're the reason why i would'nt try the drive and rpm stack now. Conversly - Ben is the only reason i tried Neovar. You sat here and tried to call me out and asked me to explain myself. I dont think i have anger issues - i have "dealing with dumb people" issues. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 11 2008, 09:33 PM |
| Just for the record - I have no problem with you - steven or Vitruvian - my problem is that this topic is about a product, and as an end user im completely entitled to my opinion and it's effectiveness on my own body. When someone else tries to "call me out" and act as if im not entitled to my opinion or the validity of my statements as an end user - then i don't take kindly to it. If you woulda "as a rep" came to me and said - hey sorry it didn't work out for you but here's a bunch of great stuff about AN's products and why we're a solid company - then i woulda looked more into it or maybe even given it another shot. But that isnt what happened. Big Ben is a good rep for AN because people here respect his opinion and he's backed up his words - he also doesn't condescend people for disliking a product he's very clear in his purpose. that's my 2 cents. |
| Posted by: Vitruvian Aug 12 2008, 06:10 PM | ||
Hey, I am very happy with Ben's performance here too. I haven't a thing to complain about. You are entitled to your opinion. But if you're going to make a very vague, strong opinion statement... back it up. That's not so tough, is it? There is nothing negative about the science or formula of Neovar that you can offer. Your "Neovar is bunk" should read "Neovar didn't work for me". |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 12 2008, 09:06 PM | ||||
Let me get this right... My job as the "end user" of Neovar is to scientifically disprove it's effectiveness because it doesn't work for me and the rep says that the user should "back up their statement". Also - as the user who paid money for a product that did not work, i certainly don't feel obligated to break down the capsule and analyze the compound for it's biological effectiveness in my genetic breakdown. Then report back to the representative for the company with my results. Let face it man, you copy and post what other people at AN tell you to post as a rep. Your job is to shine a light on the latest and greatest they have to offer. Dont sit here and bullshit with me that you know the molecule and its distinct bioavailability or nonavailability for each end user. Get over yourself man. Im also not the first, nor will I be the last, to say that Neovar is nothing special. |
| Posted by: opfor101 Aug 12 2008, 11:44 PM |
| you both need to chill. Lets put it into perspective, Omnired- Vitruvian is just trying to his job, and although neovar didnt "work" for you it doesnt neccesarily mean its bunk, its a supplement, its not any type of AAS or PH, obviously you wont see 10 lbs of muscle from it (just a random number), nor is it marketed to give you explosive gains, its one of those things that help partition nutrients and shuttle them into muscle. Vitruvian- You didnt exactly have to call him out. I guess there was a misunderstanding on both ends of the computer. If it didnt work for him, thats ok, other people love it and do fine with it. but either way, you both need to chill out. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Aug 13 2008, 09:10 AM |
| Supplements pimps, what do you expect guys? |
| Posted by: Vitruvian Aug 13 2008, 11:49 AM |
| Best of luck to you OmniRed |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay Aug 13 2008, 01:27 PM |
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| Posted by: willpiazza31 Aug 13 2008, 02:40 PM |
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| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 13 2008, 03:35 PM |
| jealous fags. He's not gunna give you free Neovar cause you're up his ass - even if he did it doesnt work anyways |
| Posted by: Vitruvian Aug 14 2008, 07:17 PM |
| That is freakin HILARIOUS! LOL And Omni is right. No free Neovar. We've already proven it is very effective. But I will be in need of testers for a couple potential betas in the near future For the record.... no one here is up my ass. These guys have all proven time and again that they think for themselves. The main reason I like BN.com over most other forums. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 15 2008, 07:17 AM |
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| Posted by: dayday87 Aug 15 2008, 07:31 AM |
| man ppl argueing over neovar........... |
| Posted by: OmniRed Aug 15 2008, 09:03 AM |
| probably the best thing to happen to Neovar on these forums. In the midst of me calling it crap it gave it a ton of exposure. Oh well. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Aug 15 2008, 11:15 AM |
| I thought AN put curcumin in this? |