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| QUOTE (OmniRed @ Aug 10 2008, 09:59 PM) | Dont be a moron man.
I've been doing this for a long time i understand what creatine is.
It's not AAS dumbass - but the thing is some people respond to different formulations better. CEE for some people will be awesome, other people do better on KreA some people do great on Mono.
Size on had a combination that worked "better" for me. Same diet on Neovar as with Size on, but i responded better to Gaspari's formulation. Ben seems to understand this which is why he's a much better rep - i clearly stated there was no offence here, and im not the ONLY one who says Neovar is garbage.
99% of the Supp industry is flour mixed with bullshit and Hyped. Neovar is no different it's the latest and greatest until they come out with something with a different bottle and pill color. Then people will pay 35 for it vs 28.
You completely missed the point - People CAN BE non responsive, mildly responsive or super responsive to different products. If you think otherwise you're a dumbass. I've stated this whole thing so fucking clearly even Bomb_r2 would understand it.
Also - no one even mentioned Drive and RPM - im only vouching for NeoVar. ONCE AGAIN no one said AN was garbage, i said NEOVAR was.
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Okay wow, such harshess and strong language. I only brought AAS up to make a point... 10 pounds on creatine, please give me that creatine. Yes, the two products are different. One focus on increase creatine uptake with the added ingrediants ( Neovar), while the other Size On has a different type extras. Glycerol Monostearate and some different types of sodium, which all increase water uptake and cause you to retain more water. Thats probably why you said you gained a couple pounds on this and then lost it... water can be a funny thing. Have to remember there is research/studies out there that say Mono is still the king of creatine. I do agree that this industry is WAY over hyped. People expect dramatic results from supps. And there is always something new and "better" around the corner. "Awww F*uck it dude, lets go bowling."
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Thank you for your response. And FYI, we reformulated Neovar to make it BETTER, and DROPPED the price. Now..... channel that anger into your weightlifting and maybe a good book and you might get somewhere in this world  Applied Nutriceuticals Representative
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You're the reason why i would'nt try the drive and rpm stack now. Conversly - Ben is the only reason i tried Neovar. You sat here and tried to call me out and asked me to explain myself. I dont think i have anger issues - i have "dealing with dumb people" issues.
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Just for the record - I have no problem with you - steven or Vitruvian - my problem is that this topic is about a product, and as an end user im completely entitled to my opinion and it's effectiveness on my own body. When someone else tries to "call me out" and act as if im not entitled to my opinion or the validity of my statements as an end user - then i don't take kindly to it. If you woulda "as a rep" came to me and said - hey sorry it didn't work out for you but here's a bunch of great stuff about AN's products and why we're a solid company - then i woulda looked more into it or maybe even given it another shot. But that isnt what happened. Big Ben is a good rep for AN because people here respect his opinion and he's backed up his words - he also doesn't condescend people for disliking a product he's very clear in his purpose. that's my 2 cents.
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| QUOTE (OmniRed @ Aug 11 2008, 09:33 PM) | Just for the record - I have no problem with you - steven or Vitruvian - my problem is that this topic is about a product, and as an end user im completely entitled to my opinion and it's effectiveness on my own body. When someone else tries to "call me out" and act as if im not entitled to my opinion or the validity of my statements as an end user - then i don't take kindly to it.
If you woulda "as a rep" came to me and said - hey sorry it didn't work out for you but here's a bunch of great stuff about AN's products and why we're a solid company - then i woulda looked more into it or maybe even given it another shot.
But that isnt what happened. Big Ben is a good rep for AN because people here respect his opinion and he's backed up his words - he also doesn't condescend people for disliking a product he's very clear in his purpose.
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Hey, I am very happy with Ben's performance here too. I haven't a thing to complain about. You are entitled to your opinion. But if you're going to make a very vague, strong opinion statement... back it up. That's not so tough, is it? There is nothing negative about the science or formula of Neovar that you can offer. Your "Neovar is bunk" should read "Neovar didn't work for me".
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| QUOTE (Vitruvian @ Aug 12 2008, 06:10 PM) | | QUOTE (OmniRed @ Aug 11 2008, 09:33 PM) | Just for the record - I have no problem with you - steven or Vitruvian - my problem is that this topic is about a product, and as an end user im completely entitled to my opinion and it's effectiveness on my own body. When someone else tries to "call me out" and act as if im not entitled to my opinion or the validity of my statements as an end user - then i don't take kindly to it.
If you woulda "as a rep" came to me and said - hey sorry it didn't work out for you but here's a bunch of great stuff about AN's products and why we're a solid company - then i woulda looked more into it or maybe even given it another shot.
But that isnt what happened. Big Ben is a good rep for AN because people here respect his opinion and he's backed up his words - he also doesn't condescend people for disliking a product he's very clear in his purpose.
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Hey, I am very happy with Ben's performance here too. I haven't a thing to complain about. You are entitled to your opinion. But if you're going to make a very vague, strong opinion statement... back it up. That's not so tough, is it? There is nothing negative about the science or formula of Neovar that you can offer. Your "Neovar is bunk" should read "Neovar didn't work for me". |
Let me get this right... My job as the "end user" of Neovar is to scientifically disprove it's effectiveness because it doesn't work for me and the rep says that the user should "back up their statement". Also - as the user who paid money for a product that did not work, i certainly don't feel obligated to break down the capsule and analyze the compound for it's biological effectiveness in my genetic breakdown. Then report back to the representative for the company with my results. Let face it man, you copy and post what other people at AN tell you to post as a rep. Your job is to shine a light on the latest and greatest they have to offer. Dont sit here and bullshit with me that you know the molecule and its distinct bioavailability or nonavailability for each end user. Get over yourself man. Im also not the first, nor will I be the last, to say that Neovar is nothing special.
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you both need to chill. Lets put it into perspective, Omnired- Vitruvian is just trying to his job, and although neovar didnt "work" for you it doesnt neccesarily mean its bunk, its a supplement, its not any type of AAS or PH, obviously you wont see 10 lbs of muscle from it (just a random number), nor is it marketed to give you explosive gains, its one of those things that help partition nutrients and shuttle them into muscle. Vitruvian- You didnt exactly have to call him out. I guess there was a misunderstanding on both ends of the computer. If it didnt work for him, thats ok, other people love it and do fine with it. but either way, you both need to chill out. Opfor+Mary Jane (married since 12.1.07) 
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That is freakin HILARIOUS! LOL And Omni is right. No free Neovar. We've already proven it is very effective. But I will be in need of testers for a couple potential betas in the near future For the record.... no one here is up my ass. These guys have all proven time and again that they think for themselves. The main reason I like BN.com over most other forums. Applied Nutriceuticals Representative
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