Maybe you should learn more about training before you start another cycle? Or maybe you could just go on another cycle, so you don't HAVE to learn about training.
Either way, good luck.
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| Posted by: shaboobady Jul 21 2008, 12:03 AM |
| I'm pretty new to steroids, but I'm planning on running a cycle later in the year. The stack I had in mind was Sust 250 (organon) with Anavar. I was thinking to do 2 amps a week for 10 weeks, then 1 amp a week for 2 weeks to taper off. My main question, tho, is about the anavar. I've used var before alone at 40mg a day and had good results (for what could be expected) but only for 30 days. For this cycle, should I continue the var for the full 12 weeks? And as far as the sust goes, do I really need to taper off? I'm turning 23, 220lbs (not fat, not ripped. roughly 14%) and have a few years of lifting experience. I plan on doing this cycle once I'm done leaning down, which will be in November. |
| Posted by: gearskie Jul 21 2008, 12:27 AM |
| this all depends on your goals. since u said you're going to start after a cut, i'd assume you're gunna bulk when u get on cycle. in that case i would say that test enathate @ 500mgs weeks 1-12 d-bol weeks 1-4 @ 30-50mgs test e only needs to be shot twice a week and is USUALLY less painful than sust. sust needs to be shot at least 3 times a week if not every other day to everyday |
| Posted by: RepMeister Jul 21 2008, 01:38 PM |
| I agree. If this is your first pinning cycle it will take some time for your body to get used to the shots. Pinning everyday will be a real hassle since you won't know your sites (places to inject) yet. Start with the Test E, learn as you go. I am nearing end of first injectable with Test E. Loved it. Hate to go off. But, getting used to the shots is key. As you progress and learn which sites are easy for you to get at and don't hurt as much you can rotate a lot better for more frequent shots. |
| Posted by: shaboobady Jul 21 2008, 01:56 PM |
| I do want to bulk up, but not like I usually do. I've done several natural bulking cycles and have always put on a good amount of weight (20lbs at least), which obviously comes with the fat and water weight. That puts d-bol out of the picture. I want to put on 10-15lbs as lean as possible and focus a lot on shape. My workouts will include some compound movements, but more shaping/iso movements, if that helps you understand a little better what I'm trying to achieve. Isn't 750mg/week of test a bit much for a beginner? Even if it's coming from shorter ester tests like some of the ones in sust? Regardless of the ester(s), should I taper off? BTW, I won't so much have to worry about sticking myself, someone experienced is doing that for me. I would actually opt for test e, but as things look right now I'll prefer sust. I don't really trust the link I have on test e. Unless my source for sust brings in test e, sust it is. The only bad I can seem to dig up on sust is possible bloat, and possible gyno from the shorter prop ester. Will the var help to negate a puffy look? I appreciate your help and advice fellas. |
| Posted by: Lorken Jul 21 2008, 04:25 PM |
| Umm, pretty sure your quads are the only muscle you can really "shape". Muscles only get bigger. Can't change the shape. Maybe you should learn more about training before you start another cycle? Or maybe you could just go on another cycle, so you don't HAVE to learn about training. Either way, good luck. |
| Posted by: shaboobady Jul 22 2008, 12:28 PM |
| How do you figure? That's like saying if I do predominately close grip movements for back, while you are using a wide grip, our backs will share the same width. Different movements shape the body differently, why else would we alter the angle of pennation? |
| Posted by: Lorken Jul 22 2008, 02:50 PM |
| No shit. If I do nothing but squats, and you do nothing but bicep curls, my legs will be bigger than your legs, and your biceps will be bigger than mine. DUH. Individual muscles cannot be shaped. Your body can, but not individual muscles. I guess I misunderstood your meaning. I hope you know that ISO movements won't shape a muscle. Muscles only get bigger. PERIOD (except quads). Different exercises can stimulate a muscle in different ways, causing it to grow and adapt to the new stimulus. But you won't grow your upper chest without growing your lower chest. You won't grow the different heads of your bicep individually. Different grips are used to stimulate individual muscles more or less, not different PARTS of the muscle differently. ISO movements should be used to give a certain muscle more training stimulus, thus causing it to grow, or get stronger. Go try and make the top of your bicep bigger, or your upper chest bigger. Good luck. The whole thing has to grow, you can't make a certain part of a muscle grow. Try and flex only one head of your bicep, or only the top of your chest. It cannot happen. When you place a load on a muscle, your brain only knows how to fire the whole thing (or all it knows how to fire) in order to lift the load. Maybe what you're trying to say is that you want to bring up lagging body parts? Would that be a better way of explaining what you're trying to do? In which case I would just hit those body parts more during your cycle, whatever it may be. Don't count on the shape changing (size) if you aren’t gaining, however. A quick Google search on the subject: http://fitness.scoobysworkshop.com/shaping.htm http://www.bodybuildinginformation.com/bodybuilding-myth.html And this concludes our lesson for today. Take this as a hint that you don't know enough about training, and maybe should study the subject a little more before going forward. You can hurt yourself by doing things incorrectly. I don't think anyone ever knows all there is to know about training. This is why I read CONSTANTLY. Good luck |
| Posted by: shaboobady Jul 22 2008, 04:17 PM |
| No one can ever know everything about training, but I'm certainly not new to the subject. I'm just new to steroids. Generally, I'd like to add size while improving my physique AESTHETICALLY. I think that's the best way to explain it. Either way, my questions are in regard to the cycle. Is 750mg/week of test a bit much for a beginner? Even if it's coming from shorter ester tests like some of the ones in sust? Regardless of the ester(s), should I taper off? Will the var help to negate a puffy look? |
| Posted by: Lorken Jul 22 2008, 04:28 PM |
Yayaya, I need to go hang out in the training section a while.  Sorry for getting off topic. |
| Posted by: Brendlinger Jul 22 2008, 04:34 PM |
| Yea 750 is a bit much just go with 500mgs. More is not neccesarily better, especially since your a begginer. Shit my first cycle was sust at 250mgs a week and i gained 12 pounds of lean muscle. So like i said dont start doing crazy dosages your first cycle. I would recommend sust and stack with winny at the end of the cycle. |
| Posted by: shaboobady Jul 22 2008, 06:40 PM |
| A lot of guys are recommending winny over var. If it's because of the price, that's no issue. Why do you guys prefer winny over anavar? |
| Posted by: shaboobady Jul 22 2008, 06:43 PM |
| Oh, and Brendlinger, how long was your cycle @ 250mg/week? And what exactly was it? Thanks |
| Posted by: Brendlinger Jul 22 2008, 11:47 PM |
| 8 weeks of Sus thats all |
| Posted by: Agent8 Jul 26 2008, 12:11 AM |
| I've tried all of them and my favorite mild cycle is 500-800mg/wk Testosterone (omni or veromone),.5-1mg twice a week letrozole, and 50-80mg/day turinabol. |
| Posted by: shaboobady Jul 29 2008, 12:30 AM |
| I'm going to stick with 2 amps per week (total 500mg test) and 40-60mg anavar ED. I hear a lot of good about letro versus nolva and other SERMs, especially in halting estrogenic sides mid-cycle. How did it serve that purpose for you? I was planning on using HCG and some clomid for PCT, but some friends are telling me to use a SERM + clomid for PCT and that HCG is only necessary for higher doses of test and other more advanced cycles. Should I stick with the HCG, or opt for something like nolva? |
| Posted by: On3musta Aug 23 2008, 11:27 AM |
| do test and some winny, i wanna see what happens |