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Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 14 2008, 09:14 PM

Hey guys, I know many people here have tried Hormones/Prohormones etc. but I was curious as to what someone should go with for their first time to help bulk up+ gain strength?

Do all prohormones stack well with creatine? My guess is no, but I have to ask. The reason for the question is that I plan on somewhat trying to use while stacking with some new creatine.

Posted by: Cdubya Jul 14 2008, 09:22 PM

All your gains will come from the PH, not the creatine, so save it for PCT...

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 14 2008, 09:27 PM

Damn i see, so what might be recommended for a first user Prohormone?

Posted by: accent115 Jul 14 2008, 09:33 PM

http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=33577
http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=75
http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=760

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 14 2008, 10:55 PM

thanks accent, yeah i looked over the threads you posted and near the bottom of the 3rd thread (believe its sticked) there are layouts for stacks

QUOTE

1-test + 4-AD
Price: Transdermal – very low; oral – high
Effectiveness: Very effective
Side effects: Moderate-high androgenic and low-moderate estrogenic
Recommended dosages: 1-test: 150-250 mg transdermal, 300-500 mg oral, 500-800 mg oral as 1-AD. 4-AD: 200-400 mg transdermal, 600-1200 mg oral.
Comments: This is the most popular stack, and with good reason. Transdermally, this combination produces fast and noticeable results and at a good price. Orally (usually in the form of 1-AD and 4-AD) it is more expensive but still a highly effective stack. The 1-test provides high anabolic activity while the 4-AD reduces some of the side effects and provides additional anabolism. Sex drive is usually maintained or even significantly increased. This is the #1 recommended stack for beginners who want to see good gains with a good side effect profile.

Noob question of the day- What are products that HAVE the 1 Test and 4 AD? Is Havoc a 4AD? If so whats a product for 1Test? Sorry I am still learning

Posted by: accent115 Jul 14 2008, 11:15 PM

Ok those do not exist anymore.
You should focus on nonhormonal supps for a while.

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 14 2008, 11:23 PM

such as what? Or are you referring to things like creatine etc?

Posted by: accent115 Jul 14 2008, 11:25 PM

QUOTE (LintLicker007 @ Jul 14 2008, 11:23 PM)

such as what? Or are you referring to things like creatine etc?

alright i'm going to be blunt, I don't think you've been at this very long nor do you have any knowledge of how to actually gain weight.

Here:
Read these to learn how to bulk.
http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=20886
http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=5695

Use this to find out what to eat.
http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=40589

Use this to find out how much you indeed eat

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/Index.html

Use this to find out how much you need to eat
http://www.geocities.com/arelliotness/harris-elliot.xls

To aid diet knowledge
http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=26402

Use these to make a routine:
http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=26006&hl=growing

http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?showtopic=22827

To Help your workout:
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/WorkoutMenu.html
http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=23268
http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=20444
For form:
http://www.thetrainingstationinc.com/exercises.html

Look at these for a guide:
http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=40464&st=0
http://forums.beyondmuscle.com/?showtopic=38923&st=0

Starting supps:
creatine monohydrate
Shock therapy

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 15 2008, 12:09 AM

lol i have been lifting awhile, just not using supplements etc and i dont have much knowledge of the drugs etc. I have gained about 10 pounds and my bench has gone up substantially. The strength is getting better, just the proportion of my body isnt growing as much. About 5' 10" 175 lbs and very low body fat

Posted by: bsLurch Jul 15 2008, 01:24 AM

You dont need prohormones yet man, you still have ALOT of natural growing to do. I gained 70lbs in 4 years before I started looking at prohormones; all that I used up to that point were food, creatine, and weight gainers.

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 15 2008, 07:41 AM

QUOTE (LintLicker007 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:55 PM)

Noob question of the day- What are products that HAVE the 1 Test and 4 AD? Is Havoc a 4AD?

Yes. GNC and Walmart carry it in the Gears Isle.

Posted by: Rob Awesome Jul 15 2008, 08:20 AM

Definitely be wary of how you cycle, too. A LOT to choose from out there - so make sure you do your homework and invest in a supportive PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) for after you come off your cycle. Your playing with fire when you significantly affect your endocrine system and all your hormonal balances.... you're introducing an exogenous testosterone precursor into your body... the last thing you want to do is play around with your HPTA (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis)... despite the strength of the prohormone.

A lot of great advice listed here, but if I may...

First - a lot of users tend to look to weaker substances for their first PH use.. while others go for Havoc/Epistane or clones there of... containing the epitio/epithio steroidal compound. I see a lot of users going for the 10/20/20/30 or 20/20/30/30 (mg) cycles.

That's fine if you do that, but I wouldn't run a 'stack' on your first cycle. Allow your body/endocrine system to adjust accordingly to this new source of test. Trust me...

As for PCT - use it. It was once told to me that after you take a shit, you don't have to wipe your ass, it's just strongly advised that you should. Same with a POST CYCLE THERAPY. You don't HAVE to run it, but it is surely encouraged. For your protection/safety.

A typical PCT includes -

A SERM (Only when not Over The Counter aka OTC) <~ I advise using a SERM
A Natural Testosterone Booster (Like Blue Up by CL or POST Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations)
An Aromatase Inhibitor (6-OXO or ATD) thus to prevent any aromatizing of the rebounding test to estradiol to promote secondary sex characteristics.
Cortisol Control (OPTIONAL - Lean Xtreme) <~A catabolic steroidal compound
Hormonal support (Indol-3-Carbinol ... I use I3C by NOW foods)
Liver Detox, Metabolic Regulation, BP Regulation, Liver Support (Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations)

^-^ What I would use!

Good luck OP.

Posted by: accent115 Jul 15 2008, 09:08 AM

QUOTE (LintLicker007 @ Jul 15 2008, 12:09 AM)

Well you've been lifting a while and have only gained 10 lbs, so i would say you don't really know what you're doing. Also, when i said you should learn about trainnig you said you bench has gone and you've gained about 10lbs, exemplifying how naive you are. You can gain a lot more than 10lbs without DS's. You don't have to listen to me, quite frankly I do not care how you look. If you need a DS look at Hdrol or Epistane.

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 15 2008, 09:27 AM

lol no no no, you misunderstood me. Yes I have lifted before, In high school I lifted a bit and now that I am in college I didnt as much, I shattered my arm in a motorcycle accident last September and have gotten back into lifting since about the end of June since I got my cast off in the beginning of Feb. My left arm used to ache like a son of a bitch (if I can find pics Ill post them of the accident) thats why i have had to take it easy my friend. I also had to stretch all my tendons and ligaments because I hadnt moved them in so long once everything was better from surgery etc. not to mention I have a rather large bulge on my Ulna now and its been tough. Since then I have gotten alot stronger gained a few pounds and look better, but am looking for additional needs to further the weight gaining/strength.<br><br>

In case you were wondering what happend, a car ran a red light and tried to take a left turn while I was going straight, side swiped me, the car that hit me was pretty messed up (Dodge Neon) but sent me and my bike into a parked car on the side of the road (Scion XB) in which my bike and myself hit the back left corner and totaled the car. I was pretty F*CKED up from that but Im alive. Its always other drivers people have to watch out for...especially ones who are drunk at 3 in the afternoon

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 15 2008, 09:56 AM

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Posted by: accent115 Jul 15 2008, 01:57 PM

I suggested the two i think you should look into if you feel you want to do a cycle.

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 15 2008, 03:01 PM

Yeah i guess its something to think about...id have to research stuff more. Think I will wait but I want to learn more about the subject before I try anything.

Rule of thumb I think everyone should go by is if they dont know much about a product like how it works etc. then they shouldn't just go out and buy it, especially if they are PHs. Glad I waited but anyone have any general Info about PH? I read the sticky a few times. But there is still stuff I am unsure of.

Posted by: workingatit46 Jul 15 2008, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (LintLicker007 @ Jul 15 2008, 03:01 PM)

Very good choice research it more and then after that if you still have questions we would be glad to help. Best of luck bro

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 15 2008, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (LintLicker007 @ Jul 15 2008, 03:01 PM)

Glad I waited but anyone have any general Info about PH? I read the sticky a few times. But there is still stuff I am unsure of.

Most of the shit regarding PH's here is outdated. The majority of those PH's are now banned and illegal.

To get them, you're going to pay inflated prices, they'll be expired and then (if you actually get your hands on some) you'll have to worry about conversion to the target hormone via enzymes in the body. In other words, its hit or miss.

PH = Pro-hormone. It needs to be converted in the body in order to become the target hormone (boldenone, Test, DHT, etc)

The oral designers around now arent PH's, they ARE steroids. They do not convert. (example = MDROL)

However, These all suck. Whenever you run an oral that shuts you down without using exogenous testosterone, you're going to be miserable. Your libido will drop and your moods will be absolutely fucked up beyond belief.

The only orals i would even consider running that wouldnt be a waste of time would be M1T (which isnt a PH) with MEGA doses of 4-AD (which is)

But....The PH era is dead and you missed it by 4 years.

Posted by: LintLicker007 Jul 15 2008, 08:55 PM

thanks for the info mate, yeah I woud have been 18 but its ok. Ill just stick to some other stuff for now.

Posted by: Reza2 Jul 18 2008, 09:10 AM

im using 4-AD