As far as Epi being so benign I know another kid that lactated from it.....
is this oral cycle feasible w/o F*KIN sumone over? |
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| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 9 2008, 03:09 PM |
| if its feasible im guna try it out as my last oral cycle b4 injecting test. i want to know what u people think. EPISTANE PULSE M/W/F WEEK1 10/20/30 WEEK2 40/40/40 WEEK3 40/40/40 WEEK4 40/40/40 WEEK5 40/40/40 WEEK6 40/40/40 WEEK7 40/40/40 WEEK8 40/40/40 BRIDGE TO M1T WEEK9 - 5MG WEEK10 - 5MG WEEK11 - 5MG/PROPADROL 30MG BRIDGE TO PROPADROL WEEK12 - 30MG WEEK13 - 60MG WEEK14 - 60MG WEEK15 - 60MG i figured a pulse cycle w/EPI wud be a breeze. almost as if u didnt run a cycle @ all, as far as sides & shutdown is concern. testofen\dhea\cortisol on off days, so u shudnt be shutdown so that will giv sumone a chance to... start the M1T. 5mg shud be sufficient enuff for this type of cycle. people hav already reported & logged w/a 3 week cycle @5mg gainin 14-15lbs. the propadrol cycle at the end is to solidify the gains from M1T & hopefully keep on gainin. propadrol is also non-methylated. all the supports etc...etc... threw out cycle followed by 4 WEEKS of PCT w/ a SERM/AI/SUPPORTS/ETC... AI Cycle Support Stack all the way threw. so is this cycle feasible? or well this cycle jus fuck sumone over bad? |
| Posted by: accent115 Jul 9 2008, 03:19 PM |
| Preload your supports and be lucky |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jul 9 2008, 11:13 PM |
| Not just no, but hell no...lol. That would be asking for serious health probs as far as liver and lipids are concerned. |
| Posted by: goodskie Jul 9 2008, 11:27 PM |
| wow. so stupid. one, pulsing epi is stupid to me since its weak and there arent sides for most. 2, thats the longest oral cycle i've ever seen. 3, u cant just keep getting gains without a break. 4, wow. gay |
| Posted by: vanthehentai Jul 10 2008, 12:21 AM |
| Basically you're going to be on for over 3 months without a break. Fine some of the compounds aren't methylated but that doesn't mean that they won't shut down your natty test production, I'd be surprised if you had the energy to lift due to low test levels and also you'll prob have some kind of erectile dysfunction. I know kids that couldn't get hard for months because they ran something like mdrol without the proper pct. M1T is supposed to be even harsher on your body. On the bright side if you do manage to crawl into the gym without your over sized liver slowing you down you'll prob get pretty jacked. As far as Epi being so benign I know another kid that lactated from it..... |
| Posted by: OmniRed Jul 10 2008, 02:09 AM |
| my recommendation would be to not do this cycle. Just go with something normal man. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 10 2008, 04:41 AM | ||
You bastard! you promised you wouldnt tell anyone.  Mustang, you'd probably make decent gains with just the M1T, especially if you've never ran it before. If you ran it before, you probably wont make the dramatic gains you did on your first run. if you want to run an 8 week cycle, its time to Inject. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 10 2008, 07:33 AM | ||||
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| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 10 2008, 08:34 AM |
| here is an example of a M1T cycle w/a 2 week 4AD break --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- by SAM WEAL Date Added: Saturday 03 November, 2007 Here is the most common m1t stack: Weeks 1-2 10mg m1t, 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day weeks 3-4 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day * Note, some people run pct during these weeks, but it is likely not a good idea, since you wont have time to fully recover, and will just be shut down again soon. Weeks 5-6 10mg m1t, 400-600mg 4ad (transdermally) (1500mg orally) a day pct - nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks) or clomid (3 weeks) 300 day one, 100 10 days, 50 10 days. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i was thinking u cud get away w/ throwin a pulse w/EPI b4 the cycle. Givin the obvious fact that EPI is so WEEK and PULSING it on top of that is almost like doin nothin @all & still being able to make decent gains. so im thinkin... shorten the M1T part to 2 weeks @5mg followed by 4AD transdermal for 2 weeks then replace the last 2 weeks of M1T w/a 4 week propadrol cycle so sumthing like this... M1T WEEK1 - 5MG WEEK2 - 5MG 4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK3 - 600MG WEEK4 - 600MG PROPADROL WEEK5 - 60MG WEEK6 - 60MG WEEK7 - 60MG WEEK8 - 60MG my liver and lipids wud only take a real beating durin the Methylated 1-Test the 4AD is Transdermal & the PROPADROL is another week & also unmethylated substance. & if its feasible to throw in a EPISTANE pulse b4 the cycle that wud be a nice added kickstart. So if u cud do the pulse as a kickstart b4 the cycle it wud look like this... EPISTANE PULSE M/W/F WEEK1 10/20/30 WEEK2 40/40/40 WEEK3 40/40/40 WEEK4 40/40/40 WEEK5 40/40/40 WEEK6 40/40/40 WEEK7 40/40/40 WEEK8 40/40/40 M1T WEEK9 - 5MG WEEK10 - 5MG 4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK11 - 600MG WEEK12 - 600MG PROPADROL WEEK13 - 60MG WEEK14 - 60MG WEEK15 - 60MG WEEK16 - 60MG PCT nolva 40/40/20/20 (4 weeks) & clomid (first 2 weeks) clomid (3 weeks) 300 day one, 100 10 days & Novedex XT 1/2/3/4 x caps WEEK17 WEEK18 WEEK19 WEEK20 thats 20 weeks lol if feasible = 5 months almost half a year. wat r u opinions/feedback? instant ED... no more babies...never guna drink & AP again...slow & painful death. silicon testes implants...blah blah etc? |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 10 2008, 08:44 AM |
| this is jus for fun to see if its feasible w/orals & honestly i wud/might try it out if it is safe. im thinkin the EPI pulse & 4 weeks of PROPADROL wud be pushin it hard. Most likely impossible to administer a outside form of test for that long w/o it bein a injectable. but over all injectin test for 12 weeks is the better\safer\pleasureable route to take & my next cycle for sure w/PROPADROL for the first 4 weeks to kickstart. if i was handed both substances id take the test any day. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 10 2008, 01:40 PM |
| also cud the cycle be done w/o the EPI PULSE? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jul 10 2008, 07:49 PM |
| Epistane isn't as weak as you think it is. It's not as harsh as some compounds out there, but it's still an oral steroid and it still has its side effects. You may not feel shut down on it, etc. but it will still raise your liver values and alter your lipid profile. Don't take this stuff too lightly. Respect it for what it is. |
| Posted by: goodskie Jul 10 2008, 09:19 PM |
| ya i agree i just think it should be run straight. gains for me faded fast tho. but its still a methyl |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 09:54 AM |
| other variations: look @the cycles w/or w/o the Epi pulse. EPISTANE PULSE M/W/F WEEK1 10/20/30 WEEK2 40/40/40 WEEK3 40/40/40 WEEK4 40/40/40 WEEK5 40/40/40 WEEK6 40/40/40 WEEK7 40/40/40 WEEK8 40/40/40 4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK9 - 600MG WEEK10 - 600MG M1T\4AD WEEK11 - 5MG\600MG WEEK12 - 5MG\600MG PROPADROL\4AD WEEK13 - 60MG\600MG WEEK14 - 60MG\600MG WEEK15 - 60MG\600MG WEEK16 - 60MG\600MG ------------------------------------------------------------- EPISTANE PULSE M/W/F WEEK1 10/20/30 WEEK2 40/40/40 WEEK3 40/40/40 WEEK4 40/40/40 WEEK5 40/40/40 WEEK6 40/40/40 WEEK7 40/40/40 WEEK8 40/40/40 4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK9 - 600MG M1T\4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK10 - 5MG\600MG(OPTIONAL) WEEK11 - 5MG\600MG(OPTIONAL) 4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK12 - 600MG WEEK13 - 600MG PROPADROL\4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK14 - 60MG\600MG WEEK15 - 60MG\600MG WEEK16 - 60MG\600MG WEEK17 - 60MG\600MG ------------------------------------------------------------- hehe thats fuckin nuts. i dun kno if any of these cycles wud work for sure, w/o screwin sumone over. |
| Posted by: accent115 Jul 11 2008, 10:10 AM |
| lmao a 17 week oral cycle. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 10:11 AM |
| here is a example of a 1AD(new stuff) cycle bridge to a 11-OXO cycle to solidify gains. http://www.ergopharm.net/products_1ad.php another variation w/11-OXO, again look @the cycle w/or w/o the Epi pulse. EPISTANE PULSE M/W/F WEEK1 10/20/30 WEEK2 40/40/40 WEEK3 40/40/40 WEEK4 40/40/40 WEEK5 40/40/40 WEEK6 40/40/40 WEEK7 40/40/40 WEEK8 40/40/40 4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK9 - 600MG WEEK10 - 600MG M1T\4AD WEEK11 - 5MG\600MG WEEK12 - 5MG\600MG 11-OXO\4AD WEEK13 - 6 CAPS\600MG WEEK14 - 6 CAPS\600MG WEEK15 - 6 CAPS\600MG WEEK16 - 6 CAPS\600MG i think this one looks alot better but i dun know... cud still fuck sumone up. |
| Posted by: workingatit46 Jul 11 2008, 10:57 AM |
I would not run that cycle no way in hell  |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 12:47 PM | ||
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| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 12:48 PM |
| i wudnt be scared to do the 11-OXO one w/o the pulse hehe or shud i  |
| Posted by: accent115 Jul 11 2008, 12:51 PM | ||
do the cycle if you want to that badly. you probably won't die. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 12:56 PM | ||||
thats wat im afraid off... hehe maybe if i had a actual doctor holdin my hand along the way.... doin blood work & everything. makin sure everthing is in check & incase @the very moment when sumthin looks funny he cud warn me so i cud bail B4 anything happens hehei was hopin i cud get a response from PA or DR. D over @AM. (i know there not dr's) i wanted2 kno what they hav2 say...id prolly get a "r u fuckin kiddin?  " |
| Posted by: accent115 Jul 11 2008, 01:01 PM |
| It'll be disappointing when you're gains stop at week 4 but your liver is coming outta your asshole 2 months down the line. Why don't u just pick two DS's and stack them for 4 weeks, do you pct then jump right back on. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 01:29 PM | ||
i dun think my gains wud stop after week 4 but i cud see my liver shit out my ass...  def wud be easier but i was tryin to make up a oral cycle4 fun that was long & crazy enuff to be borderline safe. The 11-OXO i wud do w/o the pulse it pretty much the same thing as the 1AD bridge to 11-OXO one. instead 1AD is replaced w/ 2 weeks 4AD, then 2 weeks M1T @ 5g the other cycle is like M1T 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off w/ 4ad, 2weeks on, pct. but weeks 1,2 & 5,6 r pretty much stretch out like crazy. im trying to stretch them out as far as they can possible go lol. &hopefully ill find sumthin that will still be safe hehe |
| Posted by: accent115 Jul 11 2008, 01:31 PM |
| I wouldn't waste your money on 11oxo you need to spend like 120 on it alone for a cycle. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 01:36 PM | ||
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| Posted by: goodskie Jul 11 2008, 02:35 PM |
| you're goin to get so mother fuckin jacked off 11oxo |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 03:04 PM | ||
11-OXO is to help consolidate and solidify the muscle mass gained from the 4AD & M1T where i already made reference here to be understood http://www.ergopharm.net/products_1ad.php -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 OXO Bridge Note: For greater retention of gains you can exercise the option of utilizing the 11 OXO bridge in between the 1-AD cycle and the PCT. The 11 OXO bridge will help shed any extra water or bodyfat gained during the cycle, and its anti-catabolic effects will help consolidate and solidify the muscle mass gained. The 11 OXO bridge should be commenced immediately after the 1-AD portion of the cycle is over, and PCT should be commenced immediately after the 11 OXO bridge is completed. Suggested Bridge Cycle Week 5-8: 6 caps 11 OXO daily with food (3 caps taken twice per day) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- shud do a nice job cleanin up any unwanted crap. |
| Posted by: goodskie Jul 11 2008, 03:13 PM |
| im just bustin balls. I don't know shit about 11oxo |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 03:21 PM | ||
hehehe its cool. do wat u do its helps point me to the right direction |
| Posted by: cycobushmaster Jul 11 2008, 03:23 PM |
| well, the pulse is a waste of time for a cycle that long....the purpose of that is to minimize sde effects and supression. clearly, with the cycle you've got planned you don't care about that.... alos, i don't think starting with something like Epistane, which is an antiestrogen, and shifting to another compound is a good idea. you're gonna knock out all your estrogen on that, and then when your body's supressed, shift to something else whihc can casue aromitzation. i think you're asking for problems with that.... how much is that all gonna cost, btw? |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 03:47 PM | ||
the Epi @the start is jus there if feasible to extend a oral cycle longer and also act like a kickstart w/gains. i was hoping that pulsing w/a compound so light that it wud be almost like as if u didnt run anything at all. its jus a idea thats all... cycle can still be runned w/or /w/out it. hopefully if u follow the epi pulse w/2 weeks of 4AD u cud start a real straight threw cycle. if u count the epi pulse thats a 16 week cycle lol thats just crazy... i jus wanted2 kno for fun if it was feasible & if it was actually safe enuff2 run, i wud/might try it out hehe IBE Epistane / AI Cycle Support Stack = $73.99 a bottle of 4DERM back in the day was = $20.00 last u 2 weeks M1T Underground Labs 5mg caps x 180 = $20.00 11 TEST = $16.99 plus money 4 supports & PCT. still reasonable if it was feasible &ur able2 run a 16-17 week cycle w/orals like this... that wud be crazy LOL |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 03:56 PM | ||
aww damn... sounds like it wud cause probs  |
| Posted by: cycobushmaster Jul 11 2008, 03:58 PM |
| i dunno, maybe this start with 4AD and 11-OXO, and the transition to 11-OXO and Epistane.... i honestly think if you're gonna use 11-OXO, then use Lean Xtreme as well, to maximize cortisol control.... i guess the real question is, what are the primary goals of your cycle? |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 11 2008, 03:58 PM |
| but then again its a pulse cycle remember not a straight threw. & there is time to adjust with a 2 week 4AD transdermal. |
| Posted by: cycobushmaster Jul 12 2008, 07:06 AM | ||
honestly, it doens't really matter with that length of time (8 weeks)....if you use any hormone for over 3 weeks, you need to expect a decent amount of supression. here's an idea i had last night, since you seem hell-bent on doing a long cycle  Week 1-2: 4-AD Propadrol Week 3: Propadrol Week 4: Nolvadex Post Cycle Support Week 5: Nolvadex Post Cycle Support Lean Xtreme Week 6: Lean Xtreme 11-OXO Week 7-8: Epistane Lean Extreme 11-OXO Week 9: Epistane Lean Xtreme 11-OXO (half-dose) Week 10: Lean Xtreme (half-dose) Nolvadex Post Cycle Support Week11-13: Nolvadex Post Cycle Support obviously start Cycle Support a week prior, and finsh a week after..... |
| Posted by: cycobushmaster Jul 12 2008, 07:15 AM |
| here's my rationale for that.... start with the 4-AD and Propadrol, which should'nt be hard on your liver, but only for 3 weeks, since this is the max time you can go with minimal suppression. then we go to the half-ass PCT, which should keep your previous gains, and get your t-levels back up a bit (but there's no way you'll be COMPLETELY recovered here). then transition to the 11-OXO and Lean Xtreme, which aren't terrible suppressive, but excellent at controlling cortisol, which is an issue the longer the cycle. then add in Epistane, whihc is gonna minmize estrogen, which will start to pop up at this point.... then taper off the 11-OXO and Lean Xtreme (i don;t think anything that blocks cortisol shoudl be stopped without a taper), and transition in to a 4 week PCT.... i dunno, that's all i got. good luck! Cyco |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 12 2008, 10:07 AM |
| I would simplify it. M1T - 10/20/30, 10/20/20 or 10/10/10/10 4AD - 2000 mgs/daily oral or 600-800 mg TransDermal. followed by 4 weeks PCT |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight Jul 12 2008, 11:06 AM |
| your lipids are gonna be trashed, even non-methyls effect cholesterol negatively.... just run somethin for 4-6 weeks like normal folk or inject |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 14 2008, 07:54 AM | ||||
thx man very feasible, looks gud!thats a 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off, 3 weeks on thats a common excersize with M1T id still choose to go 8 weeks straight doin the main AAS\PH substance for the first 4 weeks then followed by 4 weeks w/propadrol or11-OXO to solidify gains. that shudnt be a problem w/ the right precaution & supports. i wudnt suggest doin that after doin 4 weeks of M1T. U shud already know that 4 weeks of M1T is enuff to simplify it.... no need to do more! |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 14 2008, 08:40 AM | ||
obviously running a 8 weeks injection cycle is feasible. 8 weeks straight oral cycle shudnt be a problem w/the right AAS/PH substance & w/the proper cautions & support sups. its actually a theory that was introduced to me from u... runnin a weak PH after a strong PH to solidify gains. thats wat got me started wit tryin to put together a long crazy cycle hehe w/orals that is feasible w/out fuckin sumone over lol. i then stumbled across on a web site from a well established company "Ergopharms", that produces PH's. that actually recommend the exact same theory that i was introduced to me...from u. "Ergopharms" sugguest the 11 OXO bridge will help shed any extra water or bodyfat gained during the cycle, and its anti-catabolic effects will help consolidate and solidify the muscle mass gained. link: http://www.ergopharm.net/products_1ad.php Now i know the following is feasible..... 4AD TRANSDERMAL WEEK1 - 600MG WEEK2 - 600MG M1T\4AD WEEK3 - 5MG\600MG WEEK4 - 5MG\600MG 11-OXO\4AD WEEK5 - 6 CAPS\600MG WEEK6 - 6 CAPS\600MG WEEK7 - 6 CAPS\600MG WEEK8 - 6 CAPS\600MG BUT... |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 14 2008, 08:47 AM |
| i guess the real question is can u throw a 3 day per week pulse for 6-8 weeks w/Epistane/Havoc or another weak ass PH before running a straight threw oral cycle. Which im unsure off & might probably be a no EPISTANE PULSE M/W/F WEEK1 10/20/30 WEEK2 40/40/40 WEEK3 40/40/40 WEEK4 40/40/40 WEEK5 40/40/40 WEEK6 40/40/40 WEEK7 40/40/40 WEEK8 40/40/40 Of course u wud need to take all the necessary precautions and supports for both on and especially off days to bounce everything back to normal. so ur body wud be close enuff to resemble ur physical state before the pulse OR safe enuff to run the straight threw oral cycle. i guess blood work needs to be dun to determine a definite answer. im guna see if i can find a before and after blood work report that was dun from a Epistane/Havoc pulse cycle to see if it seems reasonable to do. if not... fuck it. At least now i know 8 weeks is the longest u can actually stretch a oral straight threw cycle w/out fuckin sumone over. maybe after my TEST E cycle w\HCG. i might giv it a go & see if it can be dun... if i can find a doctor that wud hold my hand all the way threw lol (i dun know about that one  ). & @the sign of anythin that looks like its goin to start sum trouble for me i cud bail.I pretty damn curious2 know how damn far u can stretch a oral cycle now. w/the proper method \ supports\ precautions w/out fuckin sumone over. |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight Jul 14 2008, 03:39 PM |
| i just saw the 15 weeker you were planning at the beginning and thought that was way too much... you could prob get away with 8 weeks but i still don't see the point 2-3 weeks of M1T followed by 3-4 weeks of somethin mild would be more than enough my buddy just recently fucked himself up pretty bad on orals... he ran epistane and tren xtreme for 4 weeks, followed by a 4 week OTC PCT... and then started tren xtreme and SD, and after only a week in he started having problems his BP was 175/90 his liver enzymes were threw the roof his HDL was non-existent while is LDL was like 130 his billirubin was high his trigylcerides were fucked So even tho everyone reacts differently, i'd be careful abusing these things |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 14 2008, 03:46 PM |
| i think i might hav a variation that might work.... WEEKS 1-8 Epistain/Havoc/EPI Clone PULSE WEEKS 4-8 NON Methylated PH - example Propadrol, 19 NORDIOL, 1AD(original), 3AD, Tren(PH) etc... WEEKS 8-12 11-OXO or clone. Feasible...? or a HELL NO! ur guna get screwed over... |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 14 2008, 03:58 PM | ||
hehe yea...that was jus my 1st attempt @tryin to make the longest possible oral cycle. very true...2-3 weeks of M1T followed by 3-4 weeks of somethin mild would be more than enough i agree ur guna get fucked if u abuse any further then that.... damn thats pretty scary precaution and saftey shud always be the key when using these substance. that sucks to wat happen 2 ur friend..... |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 15 2008, 08:54 AM |
| anywayz..... the method & choice of compounds ur friend used is obvious that he is guna expect problems. 4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on WEEKS 1-4 EPI WEEKS 1-4 TREN XTREME WEEKS 4-8 OTC PCT WEEKS 1-12 TREN XTREME WEEKS 1-12 SUPERDROL practically he polluted & abused his body weeks 1-4, ran GNC PCT, then went for the overkill. fuckin TOAST! lol his body crapped out on him after the first week w/ TREN\SD im not surprised.my method isnt so harsh and abrupt, the only thing wit mine is that im unsure off is running a pulse B4 a really long straight threw lol after a pulse w/EPI. im just guessin witout any real facts that there is a 15-25% chance of runnin a 4 weeker. which shud be determine w/ blood work, it wud be nice to find sum blood work dun w/a EPI pulse. safest way to exercise that if feasible wud be WEEKS 1-8 (PULSE) -EPISTANE\HAVOC\EPI CLONE WEEKS 8-12 11-OXO prolly make a gud cut or recomp cycle if possible. the 15 weeker runnin a Pulse , Main cycle, then Consolidate & Solidify the muscle mass gained is fuckin pushin it LOL i admit i cant deny that. but who knows very slim & small chance it cud be dun properly, hopefully. MAIN CYCLE WEEKS 1-2 4AD WEEKS 3-4 MIT@5MG CONSOLIDATE & SOLIDIFY GAINS WEEKS 5-8 11-OXO is feasible... i luv2 see this one work. WEEK 1-8 M/W/F EPI PULSE WEEK 9-10 4AD TRANDERMAL WEEK 11-12 M1T@5MG WEEK 13-16 11-OXO it wud be nice to see if the epi pulse wudnt be supressive enuff to run the following long straight threw... so right now im hoping this wud work WEEKS 1-8 Epistain/Havoc/EPI Clone PULSE WEEKS 4-8 NON Methylated PH - example Propadrol, 19 NORDIOL, 1AD(original), 3AD, Tren(PH) etc... WEEKS 9-12 11-OXO or clone. had to remove the M1T@5MG due to the fact that EPI is methylated. i cant find a good unmethylated compound thats is also gud for pulsing to be used instead. for a lean bulk cycle. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 15 2008, 03:40 PM |
| wat do u think about this one... WEEKS 1-8 M/W/F EPI PULSE WEEKS 9-12 PCT WEEKS 13-14 4AD TRANDERMAL WEEKS 15-16 M1T@5MG WEEKS 17-20 11-OXO WEEKS 21-24 PCT u cud prolly throw in a extra week of M1T@5mg Off days during Pulse = AI / Test Boosters / Support Sups PCT = Serm / AI / Test Boosters / Support Sups THATS HALF A YEAR OF DEDICATION FOR A CYCLE!!!  the funny thing is i think this one shud fly...hopefully...hehe. u can also replace weeks 13-16 with another compound like h-drol\1-AD\etc... this structure i got sum influence from Goodskie. "u cant just keep gainin w/out a break" So 4 weeks of proper PCT from a EPI\HAVOC pulse shud be ridiculously easy to recover & keep gains. hopefully it shud be gud enuff to carry on w/the 8 week straight threw, especially w/the 2 weeks of 4AD to transition over as part of the 8 weeks, then pct again. do u think it wud work? or does the 12 weeker above look better? |