i guess the real question is can u throw a 3 day per week pulse for 6-8 weeks w/Epistane/Havoc or another weak ass PH before running a straight threw oral cycle. Which im unsure off & might probably be a no

EPISTANE PULSE M/W/F

WEEK1 10/20/30
WEEK2 40/40/40
WEEK3 40/40/40
WEEK4 40/40/40
WEEK5 40/40/40
WEEK6 40/40/40
WEEK7 40/40/40
WEEK8 40/40/40

Of course u wud need to take all the necessary precautions and supports for both on and especially off days to bounce everything back to normal.

so ur body wud be close enuff to resemble ur physical state before the pulse OR safe enuff to run the straight threw oral cycle.

i guess blood work needs to be dun to determine a definite answer.

im guna see if i can find a before and after blood work report that was dun from a Epistane/Havoc pulse cycle to see if it seems reasonable to do. if not... fuck it.

At least now i know 8 weeks is the longest u can actually stretch a oral straight threw cycle w/out fuckin sumone over.

maybe after my TEST E cycle w\HCG.

i might giv it a go & see if it can be dun... if i can find a doctor that wud hold my hand all the way threw lol (i dun know about that one ). & @the sign of anythin that looks like its goin to start sum trouble for me i cud bail.

I pretty damn curious2 know how damn far u can stretch a oral cycle now. w/the proper method \ supports\ precautions w/out fuckin sumone over.

i just saw the 15 weeker you were planning at the beginning and thought that was way too much... you could prob get away with 8 weeks but i still don't see the point

2-3 weeks of M1T followed by 3-4 weeks of somethin mild would be more than enough

my buddy just recently fucked himself up pretty bad on orals... he ran epistane and tren xtreme for 4 weeks, followed by a 4 week OTC PCT... and then started tren xtreme and SD, and after only a week in he started having problems

his BP was 175/90
his liver enzymes were threw the roof
his HDL was non-existent while is LDL was like 130
his billirubin was high
his trigylcerides were fucked

So even tho everyone reacts differently, i'd be careful abusing these things

i think i might hav a variation that might work....


WEEKS 1-8 Epistain/Havoc/EPI Clone PULSE

WEEKS 4-8 NON Methylated PH - example Propadrol, 19 NORDIOL, 1AD(original), 3AD, Tren(PH) etc...

WEEKS 8-12 11-OXO or clone.


Feasible...? or a HELL NO! ur guna get screwed over...

This post has been edited by Mustang69 on Jul 14 2008, 03:49 PM

anywayz..... the method & choice of compounds ur friend used is obvious that he is guna expect problems.


4 weeks on 4 weeks off 4 weeks on

WEEKS 1-4 EPI
WEEKS 1-4 TREN XTREME
WEEKS 4-8 OTC PCT
WEEKS 1-12 TREN XTREME
WEEKS 1-12 SUPERDROL



practically he polluted & abused his body weeks 1-4, ran GNC PCT, then went for the overkill. fuckin TOAST! lol his body crapped out on him after the first week w/ TREN\SD im not surprised.


my method isnt so harsh and abrupt, the only thing wit mine is that im unsure off is running a pulse B4 a really long straight threw lol

after a pulse w/EPI. im just guessin witout any real facts that there is a 15-25% chance of runnin a 4 weeker. which shud be determine w/ blood work, it wud be nice to find sum blood work dun w/a EPI pulse.

safest way to exercise that if feasible wud be

WEEKS 1-8 (PULSE) -EPISTANE\HAVOC\EPI CLONE
WEEKS 8-12 11-OXO

prolly make a gud cut or recomp cycle if possible.

the 15 weeker runnin a Pulse , Main cycle, then Consolidate & Solidify the muscle mass gained is fuckin pushin it LOL i admit i cant deny that. but who knows very slim & small chance it cud be dun properly, hopefully.

MAIN CYCLE

WEEKS 1-2 4AD
WEEKS 3-4 MIT@5MG

CONSOLIDATE & SOLIDIFY GAINS

WEEKS 5-8 11-OXO

is feasible...

i luv2 see this one work.

WEEK 1-8 M/W/F EPI PULSE
WEEK 9-10 4AD TRANDERMAL
WEEK 11-12 M1T@5MG
WEEK 13-16 11-OXO

it wud be nice to see if the epi pulse wudnt be supressive enuff to run the following long straight threw...




so right now im hoping this wud work



WEEKS 1-8 Epistain/Havoc/EPI Clone PULSE

WEEKS 4-8 NON Methylated PH - example Propadrol, 19 NORDIOL, 1AD(original), 3AD, Tren(PH) etc...

WEEKS 9-12 11-OXO or clone.

had to remove the M1T@5MG due to the fact that EPI is methylated. i cant find a good unmethylated compound thats is also gud for pulsing to be used instead.

for a lean bulk cycle.

wat do u think about this one...



WEEKS 1-8 M/W/F EPI PULSE
WEEKS 9-12 PCT
WEEKS 13-14 4AD TRANDERMAL
WEEKS 15-16 M1T@5MG
WEEKS 17-20 11-OXO
WEEKS 21-24 PCT

u cud prolly throw in a extra week of M1T@5mg
Off days during Pulse = AI / Test Boosters / Support Sups
PCT = Serm / AI / Test Boosters / Support Sups



THATS HALF A YEAR OF DEDICATION FOR A CYCLE!!!



the funny thing is i think this one shud fly...hopefully...hehe.

u can also replace weeks 13-16 with another compound like h-drol\1-AD\etc...

this structure i got sum influence from Goodskie. "u cant just keep gainin w/out a break"

So 4 weeks of proper PCT from a EPI\HAVOC pulse shud be ridiculously easy to recover & keep gains. hopefully it shud be gud enuff to carry on w/the 8 week straight threw, especially w/the 2 weeks of 4AD to transition over as part of the 8 weeks, then pct again.

do u think it wud work?

or does the 12 weeker above look better?