Let the Abuse commence

1Fast400 Forums > Illicit Substances

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 3 2008, 10:54 PM

I need opinions and/or critique on my upcoming cycle. Figured id run it by you AAS abusers so i can get some input. Im trying to plan this now while my supply has it in stock.

Objective: Trying something different. Im going to start this as an all out dirty-bulk and then transition into a lean-bulk, and then finally a Cutter. Looking to aquire 10 qualitive Lbs. when PCT is all said and done.

Week 1-3: M1T 10mgs/ed- Testaplex 400/wk - Test Cyp 400/wk - Tren E 400/wk
Week 4-7: Testaplex 400/wk - Test Cyp 250/wk - Tren E 400/wk -
Week 8: Testaplex 400/wk - Test Cyp 250/wk - Tren E 400/wk - DNP 250 mg/ED
Week 9-13: Oral Turanaplex 20mgs/ED - Winnie 50mg/EOD - Test cyp 400/wk
Week 14-16: Oral Turanaplex 20mgs/ED -ECY stack- (Not gonna pin test for the last 2 weeks, as im sure i'll have enough residual gears in me)

This is going to be my 2nd AAS cycle. I didnt kickstart my last abuser, which i'll be doing this time.

My Questions: Whats the Opinion on running 2 seperate orals during this cycle? (They'll be spaced 5 weeks apart mind you)

Also, I've Never used DNP but from what ive read/researched so far, i plan on buying it. (reports of 10 lbs of fat burned in a week are exciting to hear) Any opinions on my dnp dosages? do they look decent/safe for a Noob? Also, does this cycle overall look solid for my objective?

Stats: 5'9'' 201-204lbs bf% 9-10ish

Ancillaries:
HCG (Last week of Cycle)
Nolvadex (PCT)
ATD (the last 2-3 weeks of PCT)
Arimidex (on cycle AI)
ECY (last 2 wks and post cycle)
Nizoral shampoo 2% (on cycle, PCT)
DNP - 2,4-Dinitrophenol (week 8 of cycle)

Support supp's:
Saw Palmetto extract (on cycle and post cycle)
Liv 52 and NOW's Liver detoxifier and regenerator (Pre-cycle, on cycle and post cycle)
CoQ10 (post cycle)
Tribulus (post cycle)
B6 (on cycle)

Essentials:
Multi V's and various minerals
Various amino's (Alcar, glutamine)
ON 100% Whey

Extras:
CytoGainer (First 4 weeks of cycle)
CEE/taurine/AAKG or AEE (on cycle, post cycle)

alright thanks you fuckin meat heads.

Posted by: typeRob Jul 3 2008, 11:07 PM

why make it so complicated? stick to one ester of test unless its a blend like sust. dnp is retarded, i would never fuck with that shit people have died from it. i would switch that out with t3. t3 is fucking amazing and is wayyyyyy better than clen or ephedrine.

its funny that you call yourself an abuser but you have PCT. honestly i dont even know what the fuck that shit is anymore. you know nothing about abuse asshole

so subtract pct and add trt. other than that your noob abuser looks solid.

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 3 2008, 11:14 PM

QUOTE (typeRob @ Jul 3 2008, 11:07 PM)

so subtract pct and add trt. other than that your noob abuser looks solid.

lol ok ok. but the cyp was cheaper than the sust. and i figured id save a few bucks instead of getting all that sust, id split it and get a couple of cyp's for a lower price.

anyway t3 scares me. reports of people becoming totally dependant on thyroid meds for life? i mean...jesus. i rather be dead quickly than on lifelong meds. and reports of people developing BiPolar disorder from speeding up their thyroids with chems.

i believe they used DNP to detinate TNT back in the day, which sounds safer

Posted by: typeRob Jul 3 2008, 11:16 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jul 3 2008, 11:14 PM)

QUOTE (typeRob @ Jul 3 2008, 11:07 PM)

so subtract pct and add trt. other than that your noob abuser looks solid.

your thyroid is very hard to shut down permanently. and where have you heard of people becoming bipolar from it? sounds like a load of shit to me. t3 is 10x safer than DNP bro.

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 3 2008, 11:22 PM

i overheard some guy at the gym say it. he said PCT was a myth too. nah seriously i dont know where i heard it but i know it was on some science show or something.

So if i blub up on my dirty bulker, you think T3 is gonna get me fuckin jacked and lean again? i was thinkin the DNP because its so dramatic and quick.

who died on it? people OD on advils too.

Posted by: Vaporize Jul 3 2008, 11:42 PM

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=108717541&highlight=thyroid

Focus on what Vadim says about T3, the guy is really smart and knowledgeable in anything AAS.

And I also heard DNP side effects and risks were severely hyped up (as usual). The only death I was aware of was a 100lb girl taking 1000mcg daily or some ridiculous dose.

Posted by: goodskie Jul 3 2008, 11:54 PM

t3 is the shit. fuck dnp.

overheating and having to take ice baths doesn't sound cool to me.

I would never take half that other shit again like multi's, ephed, saw palm but that's your call

Posted by: miggyg Jul 4 2008, 12:56 AM

damn man..how much does a cycle like that run you at in the wallet?

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 4 2008, 01:48 AM

Miggy = A grip

goodskie = If i have to take an icebath to get jacked i'll do it

vap = thanks for the link.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Jul 4 2008, 03:30 AM

What's the deal with gear and PCT? With PH's everyone says "time on + PCT = time off" but is that the same with the real shit?

Anyway, your cycle looks crazy dude, you're gonna get/remain swole as shit and lean as fuck. Try to break some squat/bench/dead PR's!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 4 2008, 11:05 AM

only one suggestion...drop the m1t and kickstart with a-bombs...

Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 4 2008, 11:07 AM

oh yea.

and if you're gonna run an abuser cycle...stop taking a womans dose and up your test to AT LEAST 1500mg /wk.

comon.

Posted by: Mustang69 Jul 4 2008, 01:41 PM

yea be a man and do 750 in each nut...LOL. u can beat the shit out of the HULK.

ill give u props for that cycle so far, looks crazy. make sure to drink tonns&tonns of water w/DNP that shit is no joke, id never touch that stuff.

Posted by: miggyg Jul 4 2008, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jul 4 2008, 01:48 AM)

Miggy = A grip

I even tried googling what that means..no idea...

Posted by: typeRob Jul 4 2008, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (miggyg @ Jul 4 2008, 01:54 PM)

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jul 4 2008, 01:48 AM)

Miggy = A grip

I even tried googling what that means..no idea...

its urban slang which means alot or a long time.

Posted by: miggyg Jul 4 2008, 05:58 PM

QUOTE (typeRob @ Jul 4 2008, 05:50 PM)

QUOTE (miggyg @ Jul 4 2008, 01:54 PM)

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jul 4 2008, 01:48 AM)

Miggy = A grip

I even tried googling what that means..no idea...

its urban slang which means alot or a long time.

ahhh get it now

..neither the less..are you logging it?

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 5 2008, 07:00 PM

of course im gonna log it with pics. I know i end up getting lazy and barely keep up with it in the end. but pics for sure. I'll probably look like a fat fuck for the first month but thats fine. The goal is Sumo-like mass.

Jw, yeah its time on plus pct = time off. Im probably not running this cycle until october...HOWEVER, im ordering now....which is gonna be REALLY frickin hard to not use with all that beautiful Juice in my posession.

fuckin PF lol. You're aware this is would be my 2nd AAS? in due time homey, i'll be pinning big CC's. Im still a major noob at this. i seriously wonder how id react to like 2 grams of test a week. probably wouldnt be able to handle it civilly. (starting shit with random people, picking up cracked out whores, etc). first 2 weeks of my first cycle, i spazzed out over the simplest shit. until my body adjusted and i took control. Anyway the A-bombs were the original plan with this cycle....but i was trying to save a Buck i suppose and use the M1t i already had.

I'll probably consider A's...i'd be able to run it a bit longer too.

Ive also been reading a LOT more about T3 and it does seem MUCH safer than the DNP. from what i understand now, there is no mechanism to lower your body temp if you OD on the DNP. That would be something to use with the utmost care and attention. still not 100% sure which to go with at this point.

Posted by: goodskie Jul 5 2008, 08:12 PM

from what I've read, some don't gain much more by going over a gram of test a week. and since its your second cycle that would be stupid.

since you're lean now t3 would be perfect. no reason to overdo it man especially by doing shit like dnp. im sure the sides are exaggerated but you just don't need it. if you can handle m1t then go for it

Posted by: typeRob Jul 6 2008, 10:32 AM

QUOTE (Roids @ Jul 6 2008, 12:25 AM)

Dude, do you ever take anytime off or are you on 24/7/365?

do you know what the word abuse means?

Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 6 2008, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (Jayv24 @ Jul 5 2008, 07:00 PM)

fuckin PF lol. You're aware this is would be my 2nd AAS? too.

doesn't mean anything J...drop the extra $$$ and work your way up to 1500mg wkly. and t3+clen is crazy...i dropped 5% (went from around 13% down to 8%) with test+tren+win in less than 8 wks, and actually blew up, 6pack (almost 8) is poppin (cant really tell if its genetics or bf thats keeping the lower abdominals froms 'separating')...diet also played a key role...was eating precisely 2500 cals daily...and carb loading every 3rd day. since then summer arrived and im out at bbq'q eating whatever still solid actually feel bigger and a helluva lot stronger due to the extra carbs...know it wont last so already planning to run some more t3 for the remainder of summer...gonna cruise on 250mg of test/wk right through the winter and run gh @ 2 or 3 iu's daily to stay effin lean...then run another 25 week monster bulker and spring/summer cut. It Really worked out well for me this time round...I don't even compete, just against myself and all the other haters at the gym...i love training i love eating and i love steroids. I KNOW as a fact I can conceive while on, been there...done that, sadly enough she killed it

... The way I look at it is like this...I do my research, put my time in the gym, eat like a bodybuilder, train hard and keep everything consistent and well logged...I keep track of progress...and I still consider myself a gear noob (on my 4th real gear cycle...training for 3 or 4 years now). It was my gearhead buddies that told me to stop fucking with small-medium and up it to at least a gram of test per week...you really notice the diff...and the sides aren't all that worse (inj test only, sides get worse with orals...abomb and dbol particularly...so only use those to kickstart, at relatively low-medium doses)...I have a quick temper and aggressive demenour by nature...and as funny as it sounds the extra converted estro must have some type of calming effect on me because I am not half as quick to flare up, instead I think things through am less prone to violence, mind and body are one...ffs sake since I've increased my test dose to 1800mg /wk I buy flowers every 3-4 days and keep a fresh bouqet on my dining room table because it makes me feel nice to walk into the house and be greeted by fresh flowers...somehow balances my urges to disembowel every saggy panted loud mouthed wankster that fronts in my hood.

thats all for now. i strongly urge you to increase test dose to 2g weekly. something 'magical' happens.

Posted by: typeRob Jul 6 2008, 11:29 PM

i love you PF

Posted by: goodskie Jul 7 2008, 01:00 AM

that's it, im upping my dose to 2 grams next cycle, im adding in flowers and im not kidding. that sounds nice.

any other good suggestions pf?

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 7 2008, 01:55 AM

no i understand feng shui and surrounding yourself with calming things on cycle (and off) has a positive effect. My hobby is horticulture and gardening. Im not like that guy P. Allen Smith or anything.....but i like plants.

I might call it "Tanning" but im tending my tomatos and bell peppers shirtless in the sun. i digress....

1.5 - 2 grams of test would probably unleash something primordial and intense in me.
First 10 or so days on test, (@ 400-500mg) i broke my cell phone by hurling it at the wall during a convo with my GF. Later that week while phoneless, i went to a pay phone at a gas station (calling card). This time, in the middle of the convo while calling my bank, i snapped and i broke the receiver by swinging it at the metal side of the phone.

The gas attendant pretended he didnt see, but i caught his eyes and knew he was secretly callin 5-0. Thats retarded behavior at my age.

anyway i like test. but it bloated my ass. before i threw the tren and halo in there, i looked kinda fat. But i did look younger....cause my face was rounder and had this weird glow. i even got carded for Dip several times.

at 2 grams, id be a moon face for real.

I just think if i ran test that high now, what on earth would i have to look forward to in the future? Id have to constantly run it higher and higher....so 3 grams by the time of in my mid 30's? My BP would destroy me.

The plus side i see for T3 oppsed to the dnp is being able to eat, and eat whatever i want for extended periods. Thats gonna get abused. i'll prob stay on because by nature im a fat ass and i over eat.

i'll buy the T3....but im gonna buy that dnp jusssst in case i cant get shredded after my sumo-bulk.

P.S. none of you have commented on running 2 orals with a 5 week break in between.
Any opinions on that? still not sure if im gonna use the M1t or the Oxymeth.

Posted by: goodskie Jul 7 2008, 10:03 AM

its not uncommon to run orals like that. I was going to but I got panic attacks.

as long as you get a break in there and don't run the doses too high you should be fine.

Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 7 2008, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (goodskie @ Jul 7 2008, 01:00 AM)

that's it, im upping my dose to 2 grams next cycle, im adding in flowers and im not kidding. that sounds nice.

any other good suggestions pf?

goods. yea actually I do. pray every morning then goto the mirror and do some menacing flexing...excellent start to each and every day.

Posted by: gayv24inchspinners Jul 24 2008, 12:03 AM

test makes u fat no matter what. even if u restrict cals by 2,000 less than maintenance u will still gain weight for sure!

Posted by: (_)_)===D Jul 24 2008, 02:02 AM

why arent you jacked yet goodskie? if i ran as much gear as you id be lee priest status by now.

Posted by: FACTORY13 Jul 29 2008, 06:18 PM

Bro.....everything looks just like my " winter cycle" without the DNP!
I also used M1t to kickstart and it worked wonders.......I am 31 years old and have much expirience, what you are doing is perfect, dont worry about upping your test......the end results will be rewarding!
I will send you some of my progress pics and you can seee your future! You look better at your age than I did, but I was stupid and got married! lol
Peace

Posted by: PotentiallyFatal Jul 30 2008, 05:58 AM

QUOTE (FACTORY13 @ Jul 29 2008, 06:18 PM)

lol. im getting married next may

...although my wife2b encourages me to goto the gym and smash weights...says im more pleasant to be around after taking out my aggression there *shrug*

kids come soon thereafter so I'll probably drop the gym memberships in favor of a power cage and weight...see BigBen - he's a perfect example of a husband & dad who keeps up on his training and doesn't use marriage or kids as an excuse for letting it all 'go'

peas.

Posted by: Jayv24 Jul 31 2008, 01:43 AM

QUOTE (PotentiallyFatal @ Jul 30 2008, 05:58 AM)

QUOTE (FACTORY13 @ Jul 29 2008, 06:18 PM)

lol. im getting married next may

word. i dont see how guys use parenting as an excuse.

Just less time on the sofa or at the bar....or just one less bedtime story for little suzy...i mean fuck her! daddy has to stay jacked. if mommy can get her fat ass in here and off the phone for 5 minutes, maybe i can go smash some damn weights!

i can see why Benoit did what he did

Posted by: arnoldcl0ne Jul 31 2008, 01:59 AM

well i'm sure you'll do the same to your family you roided out freak!

i'll never do that cause i'm on normal healty suppliments like havoc, weed and gallons of alcohol