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Posted: Jun 11 2008, 10:39 PM
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age 25, 6 ft, 230, first ph. Looking for a good product to drop bf %, solid muscle, and an energy kick. my job is a workout all day long and not to much time for cardio. Thanks
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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 01:15 AM
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Havoc my friend.... get your PCT in order and support supps. You'll love it!

26yo
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10% bf

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Bench 350lbs
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Deadlift 505lbs
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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 07:03 AM
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With your request - I'm going to assume/consider your diet & training are in order and up to par to sufficiently meet the needs of a prohormone/designer steroid.

If so - and you're looking for 'dry' gains... Havoc/Epistane & the ever popular clones thereof are very popular. It is a steroid - so be prepared for running a Stacked Post Cycle Therapy to negate the adverse effects that may accompany the use of Havoc/Epistane. Great product, though - I've personally run Havoc solo & in a Havoc/Prop stack. Ran my PCT's accordingly and was very satisfied.

Taking the summer off from any PH's or DS's - and I intend on running Havoc again eventually.

As far as your Post Cycle Therapy is concerned - do your homework on BOTH the Cycle and PCT. Learn about the substance you intend to use - a lot of information out there - try to seek credible sources in your search for knowledge!

Havoc's first PH cycle Recommendation would look;

Week 1 - 10 mg
Week 2 - 20 mg
Week 3 - 20 mg
Week 4 - 30 mg
+ A Liver Support during your entire cycle - Havoc is Methylated (thus hepatotoxicity otherwise known as hepatoxicity of the liver). Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations provides liver support for metabolic function, blood pressure regulation & liver detoxification... for starters. Also great for prostate support, etc!

PCT -

you're going to need a SERM or Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator. Google this - it may save your endocrine system in the long run! Short term affects of anabolic androgenic substances can involve an increase in estrogen & cortisol... not to mention an effect on LH + FSH - thus testicular atrophy can occur.

I recommend Toremifene.

Cycle would look like this,

Torem -
Week 1 - 120 mg (2 ml) / Day 1 & Day 2 || 90 mg (1.5 ml) / Rest of the Week
Week 2 - 90 mg (1.5 ml)
Week 3 - 60 mg (1 ml)
Week 4 - 30 mg (.5 ml)

Also look into,
Post Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations (Nat. Test Booster)
Cycle Support (Liver Support, among other things)
I3C (Hormonal Support/Liver Support)
Lean Xtreme (Cortisol Blocker - Optional. When you increase your exogenous test source - thus increasing Test levels endogenously, your body will respond by balancing itself - increasing your estrogen levels and cortisol levels)

That should get you through your first cycle. Good luck OP! biggrin.gif

UMass Amherst - BS Kinesiology - Conc.: Exercise Physiology. NSCA - CPT
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Posted: Jun 12 2008, 11:17 AM
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For a cut go with H-drol nice strength gains and dropped bf with little to no sides just take some Cycle Support during the cycle pre-load for 10-14 day for pct I only ran Post Cycle Support and lean Xtreme. Best of luck bro smile.gif

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