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Posted: Jul 16 2008, 10:19 AM
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Its alot better then waxy maize.  If you have ever tried Vitargo, its vitargo's replacement.  HUGE difference.

lol its a carb, chill out

So i take it your not a fan of post-workout carbs? My question to you would be why? There a ton of benefits to taking a good carb post-workout. They can spike your insulin levels, feed nutrients to your muscle, and load glycogen. I think that's pretty important don't you?

Important but you can get dextrose dirt cheap and even bulk WMS can be had for a fraction of how much it used to cost. I can't see paying so much more for another carb source that's going to have the same net effect, but be absorbed a little quicker. I do prefer WMS over dextrose, but as I said, it's pretty reasonably priced these days.


Their is a different NET effect read below. So what is the molecular weight of the carb source you are using? More then likely they don't state it, because it's similiar to dextrose. You pay more for a highly processed protein because it works, why wouldn't you for a carb.

http://www.vitargo.com/PDF/VitargoMaltMaxEnd07.pdf


This article states that the higher the molecular weight of a glucose polymer, that is taken in after depleting glycogen levels. The faster your recovery time is, and we all no how important that is!! Not to mention, it resulted in higher serum insulin concentration. Insulin implimintation is where bodybuilders get that cartoonish figure.

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Posted: Jul 16 2008, 07:41 PM
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That study shows that WMS does a better job than lower molecular weight carbs, but you're saying your new product is more effective than even WMS. Are there any studies that confirm that argument?

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Its alot better then waxy maize.  If you have ever tried Vitargo, its vitargo's replacement.  HUGE difference.

lol its a carb, chill out

So i take it your not a fan of post-workout carbs? My question to you would be why? There a ton of benefits to taking a good carb post-workout. They can spike your insulin levels, feed nutrients to your muscle, and load glycogen. I think that's pretty important don't you?

Yeah i was saying your shit isn't special. A cookie will spike my insulin levels. Again, chill.
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QUOTE (Josh47933 @ Jul 16 2008, 07:41 PM)
That study shows that WMS does a better job than lower molecular weight carbs, but you're saying your new product is more effective than even WMS.  Are there any studies that confirm that argument?

Ok, This states that Sweedish Waxy Maize Startch "Vitargo" which is way different then just WMS, because of the way its processed, and the molecular weight. Due to it's unique molecular weight, has been shown to boost insulin levels higher, and reload glycogen levels faster, then lower molecular weight carbs like maltodextrin. The thing about most WMS's you see out there is its not processed, and the molecular weight is similar to maltodextrin hince the reason they won't put the molecular weight of thier products label, also if you look @ the texture it looks and feels like flour for a reason its not processed.

Karbolyn, is Professional Supplements replacement of Vitargo. It's molecular weight is slightly lower then Vitargo, but through our studies "Yes they have not been posted yet, as this is a new product" has been shown to spike your insulin levels higher, and reload glycogen @ a faster rate. The reason behind this is the unique patent pending milling process we used to process the carb.

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Posted: Jul 17 2008, 08:24 AM
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Its alot better then waxy maize.  If you have ever tried Vitargo, its vitargo's replacement.  HUGE difference.

lol its a carb, chill out

So i take it your not a fan of post-workout carbs? My question to you would be why? There a ton of benefits to taking a good carb post-workout. They can spike your insulin levels, feed nutrients to your muscle, and load glycogen. I think that's pretty important don't you?

Yeah i was saying your shit isn't special. A cookie will spike my insulin levels. Again, chill.

Your right a cookie will spike your insulin levels, but how high? I'm done responding to your idiotic comments, as your obviously not serious about bodybuilding.

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Posted: Jul 17 2008, 04:07 PM
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You can get your Vitargo (Waxy Maize) off this site

http://www.genr8speed.com/physique/vitargo.php
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Its alot better then waxy maize.  If you have ever tried Vitargo, its vitargo's replacement.  HUGE difference.

lol its a carb, chill out

So i take it your not a fan of post-workout carbs? My question to you would be why? There a ton of benefits to taking a good carb post-workout. They can spike your insulin levels, feed nutrients to your muscle, and load glycogen. I think that's pretty important don't you?

Yeah i was saying your shit isn't special. A cookie will spike my insulin levels. Again, chill.

Your right a cookie will spike your insulin levels, but how high? I'm done responding to your idiotic comments, as your obviously not serious about bodybuilding.

I hope you realize that the "quality" of carbs is how fast they digest not how high they spike your insulin. Dextrose will spike my insulin as high as waxy maize but wm bypasses most of digestion and is molecularly heavier than dextrose. The insulin response is the same its just a matter of how much is used. It's not like there's a ceilingless limit as to how high insulin levels can go without bringing in outside sources. That's like you claiming your test booster is that much better than the next, it's not going to surpass the baseline. And you're trying to insinuate that I'm against carbs, which I said I'm not, I just don't see how your carb can be THAT MUCH MORE effective than WM
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