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 | QUOTE (Roids @ Jun 3 2008, 07:06 PM) | 1. Socialize healthcare (pay for it by rolling back Bush's tax cuts).
1. Roll back the Bush tax cuts, but only for the wealthiest Americans (those making over $60K a year).
2. Raise the highest tax bracket to 55%, again, only for the wealthiest Americans.
3. Immediately withdraw all US troops from Iraq.
4. Suck off Ahmedinejad.
5. Work with the Iranians to help build a strong democratic govt in Iraq, with Iran of course playing the lead role.
6. Apologize to the world for being such a rich and powerful nation and not redistributing our wealth around the globe while simultaneously promising that CHANGE is coming. |
I won't vote for Obama for reason #1 alone. I plan on going into the healthcare field, and I don't want my salary drastically cut just because dumbass fuckers in this country can't take care of themselves and/or they'd rather spend their money on trivial shit than their health. Do the wealthiest Americans really have 55% of their income stolen from the government???? #6, Bush didn't redistribute wealth, but he donated a lot of money to Africa, more than any other President, but you don't hear this from the MSM, because to them, Bush can never do any good.
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 Word, I agree, many people definitely are in bad positions in this country, and they do deserve a start from the government. But the problem arises when they get "comfortable" with receiving lots of handouts from the government, to the point where they may begin to think, "Hey, what's the point of bettering myself if I'm getting tons of handouts from the government!" I know many don't think like that, but many do. Just go take a stroll through subsidized housing and check out the cars in the parking lot. I do think social programs have their place in our society, but the abuse of these programs is rampant. The funny thing is, the government throws a decent amount of cash at the people receiving the handouts, but they can barely pay the people who do checkups and enforce the rules? As for police officers and teachers, I do think they are underpaid and deserve more money, but unfortunately when you're a civil servant, the government screws you in more ways than one. I just think there is tons of wasteful spending in Washington due to government inefficiency. I've worked for the government before, and I saw some really lazy ass people working there. Granted, these people were GS-5-8 and not the higher grades, and not all of them were lazy, but some definitely were. That shit wouldn't fly in the private sector. The laziness of some of them would have their asses tossed on the first day.
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 | QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Jun 3 2008, 11:03 PM) | | QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Jun 3 2008, 10:52 PM) | WTF? Mandatory community service?
"Integrate Service into Learning Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. He will develop national guidelines for service- learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience. Green Job Corps: Obama will create an energy-focused youth jobs program to provide disadvantaged youth with service opportunities weatherizing buildings and getting practical experience in fast-growing career fields." |
That's for high schoolers. He's also got a plan for college students to earn scholarship money by performing community service. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/"Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. " |
Now the question arises, is college a right or a privilege? No where in the history of the Constitution does it say higher education is a right. I understand Obama is trying to help the college kids, but that's what student loans are for. Again, how is he going to pay for all of this? Ultimately, it's going to result in higher taxes, whether it's at the state or federal level.
And as for the community service project, we'll end up creating another bureaucracy that is just more wasteful government spending. Also, $4000 for 100 hours of service? So these kids will basically be getting paid $40/hour to sit around and not do jack shit? Because we all know that's what's going to happen. I remember when we were required to volunteer for government class in high school, I didn't do jack shit, and we easily lied about the hours we performed. That's exactly going to happen here.
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 | QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Jun 3 2008, 11:03 PM) | | QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Jun 3 2008, 10:52 PM) | WTF? Mandatory community service?
"Integrate Service into Learning Expand Service-Learning in Our Nation's Schools: Obama will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year. He will develop national guidelines for service- learning and will give schools better tools both to develop programs and to document student experience. Green Job Corps: Obama will create an energy-focused youth jobs program to provide disadvantaged youth with service opportunities weatherizing buildings and getting practical experience in fast-growing career fields." |
That's for high schoolers. He's also got a plan for college students to earn scholarship money by performing community service. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/"Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. " |
those are two of the dumbest ideas i've ever heard (ok maybe not the dumbest, but excellent examples of Obama's liberal idiocy), especially the second one. The first point is it's no longer "community service" if it's mandated and helping the community will take on the equivalent joy of your mom making you do chores. That or essentially creating indentured servitude... will kids who do not do community service go to jail? Or will they just lose government incentives like tax credits and college loan opportunities? That would, in effect, only serve to further elevate kids who's social status affords them to doing community service and create another reason for the government to deny those less likely to embark on community service (read, probably inner city kids IMO) additional aid. Then again, all in theory. Secondly, the college tuition is just a play on words to really say "create millions of government-paid jobs that would in effect pay college students $40 an hour to pick up trash alongside highways, serve homeless people food, etc."
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