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i read it a while ago. i dont know if i agree with milk thistle decreasing methyl absorbtion. i always taken a shitload of milkthistle and dont think i could have possibly gotton better gains. i dont even know how effective herbal pills are. i'm skeptical. they're cheap so i take em anyway. better safe than sorry i also tried pulsing p-max and trenadrol once and didnt get any strength gains so i just ran m-drol for 2 weeks after 3 weeks of pulsing. i know pulsing takes a while longer but i didnt get anything and i was dosing 45mgs of p-max eod. i dunno it would probly be good with m-drol tho since its strong but the sides are brutal. havoc imo is better to be taken ed since i didnt get any sides other than a little aggression on it. pulsing also seems like it would f up your blood-hormone levels taking methyls eod n shit. either way, i'm not a fan of orals right now at all. especially m-drol. havoc is great for a first run tho imo but running it straight for 4 weeks dosing up to 4-5 a day. 1 whole bottle is the perfect amount for a cycle i think. 2 of my friends got really good gains on it. 1 didnt even get gains on his 4th week so maybe 3 weeks is good enough leaving a little extra left over. he still blew up tho. injectable test is the way to go  but thats another story
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Yeah, I do the liver protection option, too. Usually at least milk thistle, but often NAC, too. Right now I'm using something called Liver Cleanse, that has a ton of different herbs, etc. to protect you. Regarding phera, most ppl. seem to think it's not the best compound to pulse. It's probably best used in a straight cycle. Epistane seems to be the most popular, along w/ sd, etc. [SIZE=7][COLOR=blue][B]"I can't help that I'm custom made..."
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Are the herbals referring to libido boosters? And are you guys agreeing that milk thistle should be run during the whole cycle not just on off days? I'm also confused with whether the AI should be run through the whole cycle or just on off days. I tried Novadex last time. It didn't seem to do much for me. I even ran it for a while after PCT. It seemed like 6oxo works better, but like everyone says is too expensive. Anyone else think Novadex is bunk and have something other than 60xo work for them better? I was also thinkin bout running my pulse 2 on, 1 off ,2 on, 2 off. So basicly on Mon, tues, thurs, fri and off weds, sat, sun. Maybe taking a smaller post workout dose on the 2nd day. Any thoughts? I'll probably run an M-drol pulse for bout 6 weeks at 4 days a week. I figured 8 weeks might be too long for Mdrol. Of course I'm hoping I know my body well enough to see if I"m starting to shut down so maybe I can adjust accordingly. "It ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get it and keep moving forward." ~ Rocky Balboa
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Thanks guys. I think there's a lot of good info. in that thread, so I'd like to see it get stickied, too. I always like to see a new thread that generates a lot of discussion. To comment on some of the stuff that's been said thus far, the off day supps referred to are test boosters meant to facilitate the bounce back recovery on off days when you're not dosing your compound of choice. Some examples are ATD (active ingredient in Novedex XT, since that one was mentioned), 6-OXO (expensive, but much cheaper to buy bulk powder and do a transdermal), 6-bromo, horny goat weed, maca, longjack, etc. The idea is these things help to stave off suppression and allow your body to recoup natural test. production on off days. [SIZE=7][COLOR=blue][B]"I can't help that I'm custom made..."
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| QUOTE (kzyman13 @ Jun 1 2008, 02:36 PM) | Are the herbals referring to libido boosters? And are you guys agreeing that milk thistle should be run during the whole cycle not just on off days? I'm also confused with whether the AI should be run through the whole cycle or just on off days. I tried Novadex last time. It didn't seem to do much for me. I even ran it for a while after PCT. It seemed like 6oxo works better, but like everyone says is too expensive. Anyone else think Novadex is bunk and have something other than 60xo work for them better?
I was also thinkin bout running my pulse 2 on, 1 off ,2 on, 2 off. So basicly on Mon, tues, thurs, fri and off weds, sat, sun. Maybe taking a smaller post workout dose on the 2nd day. Any thoughts? I'll probably run an M-drol pulse for bout 6 weeks at 4 days a week. I figured 8 weeks might be too long for Mdrol. Of course I'm hoping I know my body well enough to see if I"m starting to shut down so maybe I can adjust accordingly. |
Liver protection should be run throughout the cycle. I see no need to run a AI during the cycle. On off days something like Stoked should work well. 
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Say I wanted to run both epi and m-drol with one being a pulse. Would the epi or m-drol be the better choice to pulse? Age: 22
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| QUOTE (Wes154619 @ Jun 2 2008, 11:42 AM) | | Say I wanted to run both epi and m-drol with one being a pulse. Would the epi or m-drol be the better choice to pulse? |
If you were dead set on stacking methyls, I'd say the sd would be the one to pulse, as it's more prone to sides. Epi doesn't usually bring about many sides, so if you ran a low to moderate dose of it daily and a low dose of sd 3x per week, you'd probably come out of it ok. You probably wouldn't want to run this for more than a month, though, since it's technically more than even a standard cycle. You'd also want to be sure to be on point w/ all your support supps and PCT. I've considered similar ideas, such as running a straight cycle of transdermal 4AD while pulsing either epi or sd. The epi idea appeals more to me since it's already got some anti-e properties to it, which would be a nice counter to the possible estrogenic sides from the 4AD. Also, 4AD can be run for like 6-8 weeks, since it's not a methyl and you could do a 6-8 week pulse of epi w/ it to have a nice long, low side effect run of what would likely be some pretty nice gains. Any thoughts?
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| QUOTE (Josh47933 @ Jun 3 2008, 08:47 PM) | | QUOTE (Wes154619 @ Jun 2 2008, 11:42 AM) | | Say I wanted to run both epi and m-drol with one being a pulse. Would the epi or m-drol be the better choice to pulse? |
If you were dead set on stacking methyls, I'd say the sd would be the one to pulse, as it's more prone to sides. Epi doesn't usually bring about many sides, so if you ran a low to moderate dose of it daily and a low dose of sd 3x per week, you'd probably come out of it ok. You probably wouldn't want to run this for more than a month, though, since it's technically more than even a standard cycle. You'd also want to be sure to be on point w/ all your support supps and PCT. I've considered similar ideas, such as running a straight cycle of transdermal 4AD while pulsing either epi or sd. The epi idea appeals more to me since it's already got some anti-e properties to it, which would be a nice counter to the possible estrogenic sides from the 4AD. Also, 4AD can be run for like 6-8 weeks, since it's not a methyl and you could do a 6-8 week pulse of epi w/ it to have a nice long, low side effect run of what would likely be some pretty nice gains. Any thoughts? |
i wud run that cycle! 8 week 4AD Transdermal (i luv this stuff) cycle stacked w/ 6-8 week pulse cycle w/Epi. sounds like a very enjoyable oral cycle. the 4AD & Epi complement each other very nicely. I made a run w/ 4AD Trandermal/Epi/11-0X0 stacked in a cycle & i cudnt hide the gains, people knew. i even bailed on that cycle half way threw. Also durin that time the gains in strength was impressive.
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| QUOTE (Mustang69 @ Jun 3 2008, 11:29 PM) | | QUOTE (Josh47933 @ Jun 3 2008, 08:47 PM) | | QUOTE (Wes154619 @ Jun 2 2008, 11:42 AM) | | Say I wanted to run both epi and m-drol with one being a pulse. Would the epi or m-drol be the better choice to pulse? |
If you were dead set on stacking methyls, I'd say the sd would be the one to pulse, as it's more prone to sides. Epi doesn't usually bring about many sides, so if you ran a low to moderate dose of it daily and a low dose of sd 3x per week, you'd probably come out of it ok. You probably wouldn't want to run this for more than a month, though, since it's technically more than even a standard cycle. You'd also want to be sure to be on point w/ all your support supps and PCT. I've considered similar ideas, such as running a straight cycle of transdermal 4AD while pulsing either epi or sd. The epi idea appeals more to me since it's already got some anti-e properties to it, which would be a nice counter to the possible estrogenic sides from the 4AD. Also, 4AD can be run for like 6-8 weeks, since it's not a methyl and you could do a 6-8 week pulse of epi w/ it to have a nice long, low side effect run of what would likely be some pretty nice gains. Any thoughts? |
i wud run that cycle! 8 week 4AD Transdermal (i luv this stuff) cycle stacked w/ 6-8 week pulse cycle w/Epi. sounds like a very enjoyable oral cycle. the 4AD & Epi complement each other very nicely. I made a run w/ 4AD Trandermal/Epi/11-0X0 stacked in a cycle & i cudnt hide the gains, people knew. i even bailed on that cycle half way threw. Also durin that time the gains in strength was impressive. |
Good to hear of someone trying that idea. What caused you to bail on it early, though?
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| QUOTE (Josh47933 @ Jun 4 2008, 01:55 AM) | | QUOTE (Mustang69 @ Jun 3 2008, 11:29 PM) | | QUOTE (Josh47933 @ Jun 3 2008, 08:47 PM) | | QUOTE (Wes154619 @ Jun 2 2008, 11:42 AM) | | Say I wanted to run both epi and m-drol with one being a pulse. Would the epi or m-drol be the better choice to pulse? |
If you were dead set on stacking methyls, I'd say the sd would be the one to pulse, as it's more prone to sides. Epi doesn't usually bring about many sides, so if you ran a low to moderate dose of it daily and a low dose of sd 3x per week, you'd probably come out of it ok. You probably wouldn't want to run this for more than a month, though, since it's technically more than even a standard cycle. You'd also want to be sure to be on point w/ all your support supps and PCT. I've considered similar ideas, such as running a straight cycle of transdermal 4AD while pulsing either epi or sd. The epi idea appeals more to me since it's already got some anti-e properties to it, which would be a nice counter to the possible estrogenic sides from the 4AD. Also, 4AD can be run for like 6-8 weeks, since it's not a methyl and you could do a 6-8 week pulse of epi w/ it to have a nice long, low side effect run of what would likely be some pretty nice gains. Any thoughts? |
i wud run that cycle! 8 week 4AD Transdermal (i luv this stuff) cycle stacked w/ 6-8 week pulse cycle w/Epi. sounds like a very enjoyable oral cycle. the 4AD & Epi complement each other very nicely. I made a run w/ 4AD Trandermal/Epi/11-0X0 stacked in a cycle & i cudnt hide the gains, people knew. i even bailed on that cycle half way threw. Also durin that time the gains in strength was impressive. |
Good to hear of someone trying that idea. What caused you to bail on it early, though?
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social obligations got in the way & i cudnt run the cycle appropriately. it was disappointingly @the time but it was just wrong timing. no biggie... right now im just waiting patiently while doin a ECA stack till i hit around 5-7 % bf. thats my goal right now, ive never been that low in my life & i want it. once i hit that target &finish that goal im guna do a massive lean bulk when the timing is right &just beat the shit out of myself prolly guna do a couple of cycles once im done & a 4AD transdermal stacked with a Epi pulse sounds very enjoyable:) i wunder... in another cycle if pulsing 1AD side by side with Epi during a 8 week 4AD transdermal stack wud turn out. i know its not a methyl &mostly methyls are pulsed. if 1AD wud fall under gud choice for pulsing that wud be awesum since 1AD converts to 1test im hoping the gains wud be dramatic. not only does the results from pulsing produces less side effect. It also produces more gains over a longer period of time. also easier to hold on to for individuals that have a hard time keeping gains after a cycle.
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