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| Posted by: kzyman13 May 29 2008, 06:15 PM |
| I've done a lot of searching on pulse dosing. Mostly what I found were proposed techniques and little on how it actually worked out. I also havn't seen any real recent discussions on it. Anyways, I'd like to run a pulse of Mdrol and wanted to see if anyone has fine-tuned a cycle for pulsing mdrol. I've ran a straight up cycle before and the worst of it was shutdown and pumps. I'm hoping to avoid the shut down and reduce the pumps. The pumps weren't too bad until week 4 at 30mg/day. I also found week 4 to be pointless and realize I should've stopped at 3 weeks. Overall I was happy with the results. I was able to keep 10 lbs. from that cycle. I wanna use my last bottle of Mdrol then looking to run some 3AD down the road. I'm 5' 11" 180#'s been working out on and off for 6 years. My last cycle for PCT I ran nolva at 40/30/20/20 and started novedex xt on the 2nd week 3ed/4ed/3ed/2ed for 4 weeks. It took about 3 weeks for my libido to return to normal. Thanks in advance for your advice. |
| Posted by: OmniRed May 29 2008, 11:18 PM |
| I would not pulse M drol... but thats just me. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 May 30 2008, 01:48 PM |
| From what I've read, ppl. love sd for pulsing, as it has much less sides than running it straight. I'd say epistane is the most popular compound for pulsing, but sd/m-drol, etc. is probably second. I've seen a lot of guys recommend dosing it before bed, as the best time for a single dose. I forget the reasoning, but Dr. D, who first proposed the idea of the pulsing method, recommonded taking it that way. There's a very long thread on AM called "How to pulse orals", which will answer all the questions you might have about it. it's a really long read, but extremely informative. Lots of questions and answers, examples and opinions from personal experiences, etc. Check it out. |
| Posted by: OmniRed May 30 2008, 02:37 PM |
| Josh, could you copy that post and make a thread here for our members? I know what post you're talking about, but not everyone has an AM handle. Just reference it with the OP's name. |
| Posted by: workingatit46 May 30 2008, 06:52 PM |
| I have not pulsed sd but if I was going to I would dose it pre-wo and on off days run some PCS or Stoked best of luck bro |
| Posted by: Josh47933 May 31 2008, 12:56 AM | ||
That's probably a good idea. Here's the link the the BN thread I just started. It links you straight to the original posting. You'll be glad you took the time to read through it all. http://forums.bulknutrition.com/?act=ST&f=19&t=43624 |
| Posted by: SFW_SFW May 31 2008, 02:24 PM |
| So whats the down side of pulsing... I mean doesnt it seem too good to be true? my friend and i were talking about it and he brought up a valid point. The reason you take anabolics at the same time every day is to keep your body in homeostasis as far as the chemical aspect goes. Taking these compounds just "pre-wo" and "post-wo," which could be any time of the day, is abnormal enough to your body. On top of that you are only taking it every other day which would also not constitute homeostasis. I mean yeah its like getting the first dose 3 times a week but how does the body react? I'm not saying this method is bull shit or anything because this is the first time I've looked into it. I'm just wondering if anyone can explain to me how the body reacts to something that is so inconsistent. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 May 31 2008, 04:10 PM |
| The point behind pulsing is to avoid suppression and sides as much as possible, while still making steady, if not quite as dramatic gains. It's a given that you're not going to gain as much as fast as when running a standard cycle. The advantage is that you're still going to gain more and faster than during normal training periods and you're getting the short term benefits of the compound only when you need it (at workouts), while allowing the body to "bounce back" during off days. This allows you to stay "on" for a lot longer period of time, getting slower, but steadier/easier to maintain gains. There's more to it than that, of course, which is why it's good to read through the thread and check out all the questions ppl. have asked, answers they've gotten, etc. I did a pulse last fall and liked it a lot. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 May 31 2008, 05:43 PM |
| You guys rock! I haven't had a chance to thoroughly go through your linked info, but I will shortly. I actually think this is the best route for me. I think I'd rather have steady slow gains than fast ones that end with a lot of sides. I feel you gotta really fight through PCT to keep your gains. It seems like it will be easier to run a longer cycle and do a milder PCT. I believe it will be easier to keep the gains, keep my libido and keep a more positive attitude through on cycle and PCT. Once I get done researching this, I"ll post my plans and the results afterwards. Lookin forward to this and hopefully doin 3AD before the end of the year. |
| Posted by: Brauno May 31 2008, 06:51 PM |
| what i would do if i were you would be run it as a bridge with an epi clone. you could run that for 5 weeks and would get huge. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 May 31 2008, 09:21 PM | ||
Exactly my point. Good luck with your cycle. |
| Posted by: SFW_SFW May 31 2008, 09:40 PM | ||
i understand that aspect of pulsing but my true question is "how does a pulse cycle make the body react chemically?" It is very inconsistent and while it may help most of the typical sides what is going on internally? It seems to me like its just a way of confusing the body because its chemistry would be all over the place every day. The consistency of a normal cycle is different because the body is able to balance the compound throughout the cycle by the shrinking of testes and increased estrogen and it becomes accustomed to the compound being present for that month. With pulsing it isnt sure if youre cycling or not... make any sense? anyone have any insight? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 1 2008, 06:53 AM |
| One way to look at it is that no oral cycle is going to be all that consistant, as far as maintaining steady levels of the compound in your blood. Unless you know the half life of the product you're using and are able to dose it at the right times, so as to keep the compound peaked in your bloodstream, it's going to be very hard to maintain those levels (hence confusing the body). Another thing to consider is that w/ the example of something like sd, a lot of guys may not want to go over 10 mg. present in one dose, due to having a low tolerance to the sides they'd encounter using 20 mg. Even if they took that one dose consistantly every day, there's not a 24 hr. half life to maintaintain blood levels. Again, you'd be confusing your body. As you can see, pretty much any oral cycle os going to lead to fluctuating blood levels of hormones. There's really no way to escape that. In the pre-ban days, you could just run transdermals and ensure 12 hr. sustained delivery of your compound. It was easy enough to just dose every 12 hrs, and you'd have 24/7 delivery and constantly elevated levels. Those compounds (4-ad, 1-test, etc) also weren't methylated, so there wasn't nearly the concern w/ harsh sides and health risks that there are w/ the current generation of compounds. The fact that our reality has changed caused ppl. to get creative w/ dosing protocols to maximize gains while minimizing risks. This is the way the pulsing method came about. Again, I'd suggest reading the threat and most, if not all your questions will have already been answered there. You'll probably even see many things discussed that you hadn't thought of, yourself. |
| Posted by: SFW_SFW Jun 2 2008, 01:26 PM |
| alright josh that makes sense to me... ill def have to read through that thread completely as to gain some quality knowledge on pulsing. |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight Jun 2 2008, 01:59 PM |
| it's a pretty simple theory really i think... i mean when you run a continuous oral cycle, by the second week your completely shut down and relying on the oral as the only source of androgens in the body when you pulse, you keep you natural test levels up, while also adding in exogenous androgens a few days per week... so yeah your body may be fighting the fluctations in hormone levels, but your dosing less often so the body can at least partially return to homeostasis by the time your ready to dose again I'v never actually ran a pulse, but may still consider it since many seem to like it |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jun 2 2008, 04:04 PM |
| ive read sumone that commented that he looks @pulsing is how u do a cycle right. I agree if ur patient less sides &harm if ur inpatient more sides more harm |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Jun 2 2008, 04:05 PM |
 all this work for maybe 2lbs of actual muscle on these orals |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jun 3 2008, 07:53 AM |
| i also forgot to add that more muscle can be obtained since the cycle is stretch over a longer period of time. Results r jus not dramatic it takes time &patients |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jun 3 2008, 07:57 AM | ||
2lbs !?!  if ur only getting 2lbs of actual muscle off a oral cycle, ur shit is way off... u shud be able 2 get 2lbs naturally with only proper nutrient and training.  |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Jun 3 2008, 08:54 AM |
| That's my point. All that weight gain from orals is water and glycogen. No one gains 5-10lbs of solid muscle in 3-4 weeks. And for the sides involved and the cost of all of that shit it's not even worth it. |
| Posted by: Mustang69 Jun 3 2008, 09:42 AM |
| The truth is u dun need nothin to build muscle, but proper training &nutrition. If ur shit is *on point* u shud at *least* gain 1 - 1 1/2 pounds within 4-7 weeks until u reach ur genetic limit. If u havent reached ur genetic limit & still not makin gains, ur shit is off... ur either pushin like a pussy &eating like a princess. Given that ur not a pussy/princess & can do all that naturally... u shud pack on enuff LBS on a PH/AAS cycle. u shud pretty much expload whether it is a oral or injectable. It shudnt take much @all w/PH/AAS 2lbs is a fuckin joke... even with the fact that pinnin is better &oral cycles produce alot of crap & water retention. especially since we are talking oral pulse cycles, where gains whud hav a better caliber over a longer period of time 6-8 weeks. I |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jun 6 2008, 08:46 PM |
| Ok... this is what I'm doing. I've started my pulse and I'm plannin on runnin a fairly simple pulse of Mdrol. I'm changin it a lil bit as far as, goin 2on, 1off, 2on, 2off. I'm goin to progress the dosages really slowly. I think this will let me run a longer cycle and it will help me feel the difference as the weeks pass. 1st week 10mg just before workout. 2nd week 10 before and 10 after. 3rd week - 20/10 4th week - 20/20 5th week - 30/20 6th week - 30/30 I'm goin to feel out these dosages and may draw back as the cycle progresses depending on if I'm feelin sides or shut down. I'm goin to take trib on my off days and may introduce novadex on offs depending on how I feel. Other supps I'm using through entire cycle include: Massive amounts of Whey protein saw palmetto milk thistle glucosamine multivitamins Also using NO xplode preworkout. Calorie intake is between 3500 and 4000. Im going to use Nolva and novadex xt for PCT. I might use something else other than novadex xt or change it part way through. I'll check in occasionally. Amazingly I can already feel the 10 mg dose in my workouts. Little more pump and strength is def up. Also I"ve noticed my urine is still pretty clean. There was a noticeable change when running a straight cycle of mdrol which I believe was a sign of the harsh liver side effects despite using milk thistle. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 6 2008, 10:13 PM |
| Nice. Good luck w/ it and run a log here. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jun 10 2008, 07:44 PM |
| Moved up to 10/10 this week. Strength is still up, but not much more than last week. Endurance is way up. I feel like I could work out all day. Spent about 2 hours in the gym yesterday (chest) and today (legs). No sides other than some pumps in the lower back yesterday from workin outside and major bacne. Seems worse this time than on my last straight cycle. That might be due to the hotter weather though. My weight is only up a couple pounds. I started out at about 183 and I'm consistently at 186 or so. Also feeling slightly more aggresive. Urine is already a bright yellow. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jun 18 2008, 08:05 PM |
| Just checkin in... Started Week 3. Things have been fairly consistent. Strength is still up not necessarily much more than before. Sides or pretty much non existent this week. Finished out last weeks with 10/10 and already did chest and legs this week at 20/10. Feeling pretty good overall. Stayin swole for the most part. Acne comes and goes. So far I'm diggin this cycle. I feel good everytime i go to the gym and definitely getting good workouts in. My weight is at about 187. Little more blub this cycle. My diets been a little shitty though. I'm an ecto so I'v never been real careful about what I eat when I bulk. Last straight cycle I definitely leaned out a little regardless of what I ate. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jun 19 2008, 08:34 PM |
| Did shoulders today. Man does this stuff rock. Strength still goin up noticibly. I have gone up 5#s on my dumbell presses two weeks in a row. Got some pumps in my delts a little. Not painful though. I know when I ran a straight cycle my delts would get so pumped it made it difficult to do exercises like militaries. Like it took away some ROM. Im definitely goin to 20/20 on workout days next week as planned. Also noteworthy, the boys havn't gone to raisins so I'm thinkin I'm nowhere near shutdown. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Jun 19 2008, 09:18 PM |
| Thanks for the updates broski. Gonna run an M-Drol cycle myself soon, will definitely use this log for advices when it comes time. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jun 19 2008, 11:20 PM |
| Nice to see things are picking up w/ minimal sides. How long do you plan to run it for? Keep us updated. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jun 20 2008, 09:33 AM |
| Yea I definitely prefer this over the straight cycle. I'm lookin to run this 6 weeks. I'm playin it by ear though. If it goes better than expected I may try 8, but not likely. I may also cut it short or cut my dosages back if the sides pick up and I feel like I'm shut down after a 2 day off period. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jun 21 2008, 10:36 AM |
| Did back n bis yesterday. I think I was getting pumps in my arms before I even worked out. Idk, I detailed my car for like 3 hours and my arms hurt worse than a workout. My forearms feel like rocks. Regardless I gutted out my workout. Didn't affect my strength any. Strength is still up. Everything just hurt. Feel ok today, other than I think I bounced my spleen off my rib cage while doin my heavy set of deadlifts. Somthin fuckin hurts there, not sure what it is. All said - I'm still liking the cycle. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jun 24 2008, 11:57 PM |
| Chest yesterday. Legs today. Strength was up in a major way yesterday. All my lifts were significantly better. Today was a different story. I felt lethargic, moody and strength was about the same as last week. Ended up being nautious and could hardly walk by the end of my workout. Just unusually tired. Libido is always rockin by the end of my 2nd "on" day. For the most part all is well. My appetite is a lot more up and down though during the pulse. That may be my own fault that I'm not being as consistent and disciplined with my diet as I was when I ran Mdrol straight. Damn it! I need to step it up with the diet. My diet is more likely to be the reason I was feeling off today. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jul 1 2008, 07:39 PM |
| Havent checked in for a while. Ended my 20/20 last Friday with Bi's and Back. Strength still goin up! Sides aren't bad other than occassional acne breakouts. Libido is still good during on and off days. Monday: Chest - against some peoples advice I started week 5 at 30/20. Sides still not bad, not even really getting any back pumps. Ive been a little more lethargic. Appetite is still a little up and down. Strength is still going up. Tues: Legs - Still little bit lethargic. Just dont have that drive to workout for 2 or 3 hours like I did for the first few weeks. Still got a good hour in. Strength was up from last week on legs also. Overall, my strength has been going up consistently every week. I feel good in general. My weight is pretty steady at 190 right now. Looking pretty lean - I may have lost a pound or so of fat. The sides really haven't been too bad either. This is still way better than the straight cycle I ran. I've put on about the same amount of weight, I haven't gotten overly aggressive, the back pumps havnt been bad at all and urine doesnt look like yellow syrup. The other good thing is on a straight cycle, I used more product and I felt like destroying something on the days I wasnt goin to the gym. This pulse has been better than expected. Even though I'm runnin higher doses, overall I feel better and I'm still gaining weight and strength. With a straight dosage I hit a wall and lethargy went up, back pumps were horrible and strength wasnt increasing anymore. I'm still playin it by ear. It does feel like the boys are goin into shut down. Unless I start to feel differently by the end of this week, I'm gonna go to 60 next week. And its definitely goin to be my last week. Then I'm runnin a full blown PCT. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jul 1 2008, 10:38 PM |
| I knew you'd like pulsing better than straight cycling. Glad you're getting great results without many sides. I'll be interested to see how it pans out. When I did my pulse, I went ahead and did a traditional PCT, just to be on the safe side. Some guys that stick to a four week pulse skip it, but I did around 8 weeks and didn't want to take chances. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jul 2 2008, 06:37 AM |
| Hey thanks for the tips. Have you ever ran mdrol at that high of dosage on a pulse? This cycle is like the best of everything. I like being on cycle so it's nice to be able to run for a while. And it seems like my strength has gone up more on the pulse because it keeps going up every week. On the straight cycle it seems like strength stopped goin up after the 2nd week. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jul 2 2008, 10:59 PM | ||
I've never messed w/ mdrol or any other sd product, personally. i've read a lot of logs and threads to have gained some understanding of how it's supposed to work, though. i have more experience w/ the pre-ban stuff, but have run some current things, such as ergomax lmg, halodrol-50 original version, and pulsed an epistane close. I definitely prefer pulsing, after having run a decent amount of straight cycles over a period of several yrs. The results are close to what you get w/ a straight cycle, they're easier to keep and the sides are barely there. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Jul 2 2008, 11:19 PM | ||
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| Posted by: kzyman13 Jul 3 2008, 08:27 AM |
| I havn't been takin anything to counter the bacne. Major breakouts occur on the day of 2nd dose but even more so the day after. So usually Tues and Weds or Fri and Sat. Then it clears up for a day or two. I can almost watch them appear... ... pretty messed up. But bacne doesnt bother me much. I can still wear my beaters on certain days lol. It seems to clear up for me rather fast. I think thats another advantage of a pulse. The bacne isnt unrelenting for the duration of the cycle. I need to be taking fish oil regardless. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jul 10 2008, 07:22 PM |
| Ooops haven't checked in for a week. Thurs & Fri of week 5. Not much difference in strength. Sides have not increased, other than the boys are not returning. I'm definitely shut down now. In fact, theyre so tight I had one spin up on the top of my unit while my girl was riding me... I was like what the fuck is that???? ... thought I had a hernia or something... Fortunately everything else is good. Still no back pumps, but urine is def bright yellow all the time. If I were to do it again I'd take something other than Trib on off days and maybe run the doses up slower. (Do a couple weeks at 30 and 40) Week 6 Decided to keep the doses at 30/20... I guess I'm scared to go to 60 due to the shut down and bright yellow urine. My liver must still be taken a beating. Mon - Chest lifts are up again from last week as well as with legs on Tues. God I love this cycle. Weight has stuck at 189/190... I may have slimmed a bit though. It seems like I'm lookin a little more ripped in the abs area. |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jul 22 2008, 07:01 PM |
| I haven't posted in a while... my 6th week ended with great strength increases shoulders and bis. I did notice, however that my appetite was dropping and my stomach was upset all the time. I thought this was due to stress. After discontinuing the mdrol my appetite actually increased and my stomach seemed to feel much better. I don't recall hearing that from anyone else, but I'm almost positive it was related to the mdrol. Needless to say my workouts have been a little more difficult to finish in week 7. Strength was down a bit from week 6. This is the start of week 8 and I feel pretty good. My libido is down a bit, but not as bad as the straight cycle. My strength this week is still down from week 6. Overall my appetite is better. I leaned out weeks 6 thru present, not exactly sure what I did to make that happen. But I'm at my leanest / highest weight. I'm still around 187/188 only leaner than when I started. I started 40 mg nolva week 7. Week 8 I'm at 30mg Nolva and started taking 3 caps of novedex xt. I'll be going to 20 Nolva next week and 4 caps of novedex (til I run out, then switching to 4 x 6oxo). Week 10 I'll be down to 10 Nolva and 3 Caps of 6oxo. Week 11 I'll run 2 caps of 6oxo and continue til the bottles gone. I'll post here n there to keep any one interested updated. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Jul 22 2008, 08:12 PM | ||
You didn't gain ANY weight during your 6 week M-Drol pulse? Were you trying to cut/recomp? Did you make any changes in your diet while "on"? |
| Posted by: kzyman13 Jul 22 2008, 09:37 PM | ||
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. I did gain weight. I meant to say that I've maintained the weight put on during the cycle. I've put on a very solid 5 lbs probably more, because I'm leaner than when I started. Unfortunately I dont know what my LBM was before or after. I guess it depends how much fat I lost. I could have gained between 8 and 10 lbs total. Altogether strength is up at least 5% from the beginning of cycle. This is definitely the strongest, biggest I've ever been and I'm as lean as I've ever been too. I'm an ecto so I have low bodyfat anyways. The only thing I may have changed diet wise, is I was probably eating a little bit less calorie wise the last couple weeks and I cleaned my diet up some. All in all - great cycle. I would probably tone down the dosing and try stretching it out. 50/day was probably just too much for me. I could have probably had similar and more enjoyable results by running 10/20/30/30/40/40 mg of Mdrol weeks 1 thru 6. If you weigh more than me you may have better luck at the dosage I actually did on this cycle. |