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Posted: May 19 2008, 09:23 PM
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Hey guys, quick question. I've always taken a weight gainer post workout b/c of the calories, carbohydrates, protein,etc. My friends have been telling me that I'm not supposed to take a weight gainer post workout b/c it's a concentrate protein, not an isolate. I know that concentrates take longer to digest than isolates, but does this matter? I thought you were supposed to have so many calories, protein, carbs, immediately after your workout. I've always done this and had great success, but I don't want to be cheating myself. Should I be taking an isolate post workout for faster absorbtion?

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Posted: May 19 2008, 10:31 PM
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If you've had great success with this, why switch things up? A weight gainer PostWO IMO is fine. Isolate is only better digested, plus with the weight gainer your not just getting simply whey concetrates, there are more then likely other forms of protein.

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Posted: May 20 2008, 06:10 PM
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That's what I thought, too. I just don't wanna miss that window post work-out where my body is most vulnerable to protein synthesis. I've always done it where I get ATLEAST 900 cals, 60 protein, 30 carbs.

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Posted: May 20 2008, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (East @ May 20 2008, 06:10 PM)
That's what I thought, too. I just don't wanna miss that window post work-out where my body is most vulnerable to protein synthesis. I've always done it where I get ATLEAST 900 cals, 60 protein, 30 carbs.

you have 60g fat after you workout?
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Posted: May 20 2008, 08:21 PM
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No...60 g of protein.

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Posted: May 20 2008, 08:27 PM
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QUOTE (East @ May 20 2008, 08:21 PM)
No...60 g of protein.

well 60g protein and 30g carbs is 360 calories, and you said you get 900 calories. 900-360/9= 60
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Posted: May 20 2008, 08:35 PM
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Oh ok..lol, I thought you misread what I wrote. Yes, 60 g of fat. laugh.gif Works for me.

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Posted: May 20 2008, 08:37 PM
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why would you change something if it works so well? Don't listen to your friends. weight gainers are excellent post workout as long as the fat isn't high. The whole point of a weight gainer is to help you gain weight in muscle. You save a lot of money this way too.

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Posted: May 20 2008, 09:25 PM
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Haha, thanks for the advice Wayne. biggrin.gif

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Posted: May 21 2008, 07:20 AM
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I like Torrent immediately PWO, then 45 min later or so take a weight gainer or solid meal.

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Posted: May 22 2008, 06:26 AM
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QUOTE (Vaporize @ May 21 2008, 07:20 AM)
I like Torrent immediately PWO, then 45 min later or so take a weight gainer or solid meal.

noob,

if you were anymore knowledgeable about whats the most anabolic
you would obviously have used muscletech products.

you need to get yourself Jay Cutlers Mass Stack. Thats what allowed him to win last year at the olympia.

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Posted: May 22 2008, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (opfor101 @ May 22 2008, 06:26 AM)
QUOTE (Vaporize @ May 21 2008, 07:20 AM)
I like Torrent immediately PWO, then 45 min later or so take a weight gainer or solid meal.

noob,

if you were anymore knowledgeable about whats the most anabolic
you would obviously have used muscletech products.

you need to get yourself Jay Cutlers Mass Stack. Thats what allowed him to win last year at the olympia.

Yup. No GH or AAS in his stack at all! wink.gif

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Posted: May 22 2008, 04:52 PM
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Focus on quick digesting carbs and protein. Leave the fat out on PWO. Fat slows down the absorption rate of the carbs and protein. Get some malto and dextrose- very economic and effective PWO. The absorption rate of whey concentrate is still very good it just has a lower protein percentage and is a little slower acting then isolate. The weightgainer might work well but is limiting your recovery and gains. Leave fat out of your PWO shake.
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Posted: May 26 2008, 03:58 AM
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just have ur protein shake and some carbs after. dont worry about weight gainers and shit.

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Posted: May 26 2008, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE (yeashescool @ May 19 2008, 10:31 PM)
If you've had great success with this, why switch things up? A weight gainer PostWO IMO is fine. Isolate is only better digested, plus with the weight gainer your not just getting simply whey concetrates, there are more then likely other forms of protein.

Option one would be Mass Meal with 30 grams of Supercarb,very cost effective.

Or I'd go with maxy waize starch and Supercarb in equal amounts as CHO cources for post w/o.Good choices for Protien sources at this time are Ergo's GF Pro or Optimum's 100% Whey Protien.

With either direction,SyntheSIZE should be included to optimize the anabolic effect of a meal.

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Posted: May 26 2008, 03:40 PM
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A serving of creatine monohydrate, mixed with a serving of waxy maize starch in some juice immediately PWO, then a whey protein shake like 10-20 minutes later is a safe bet.

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Posted: May 26 2008, 04:28 PM
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For everyone who says no fat after a work out is wrong. Certains fats are actually very good after a work out. Hadi posted this before and it based off of several studies.

http://forums.1fast400.com/?showtopic=43271

Those of you who arent utilizing fats arent getting the full potential out of your diet and workouts.

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Posted: May 29 2008, 03:26 PM
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East wat protien u take dats 900 cal, 60g protien and 30g of carbs ???
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Posted: May 29 2008, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (Vaporize @ May 21 2008, 07:20 AM)
I like Torrent immediately PWO, then 45 min later or so take a weight gainer or solid meal.

sry to go off topic..but vap do u know how many grams of creatine mono torrent has in it?

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Posted: May 30 2008, 08:08 PM
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IMO, you should have a basic protein shake the contains a blend of Whey Concentrate, Isolate, and Hydro-isolates (like ON 100% whey) and added in a scoop of simple carbs (dextrose) right after your work out. Bring it with you to the gym then have your heavy calorie whole food meal about an hour after (usually the time it takes to get home from the gym and cook something anyway).

The idea being yes, isolate absorbs much faster then Whey concentrate but you don't absorb all of it. Think of like trying to catch baseballs being thrown at you with a wide bucket, if they are being thrown rapidly all at once yes (isolate) they will get there faster but you're going to miss much more than if the first wave came quick to fill the bottom of your bucket then started getting slower and slower (hydro-isloate & concentrate) making it easier for you to catch therefore you catch more in a still relative short period of time. By adding in Dextrose you will have simple carbs for the sole purpose of stopped your post workout catabolic state...I like to add in a small amount of Vitamin C power (don't need too much, its very bitter) but intense exercise increase formation of free-radicals and the Vit C will nuetralize that.

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