Any prohormones to help along with a cut? Suggestions and stack advice are appreciated.

propadrol, furazadrol, trenadrol for non-methyls

H-drol for methylated

Try a four week cycle of Dicana then a PCT of San Blaze Extreme.

SAN Blaze Extreme ... what else would you run that with for PCT ... I am running Epistane right now doing week one and two at 20 mg / week three at 40mg / week 4 until i run out 20 mg ?

Wrong thread brotha, take it to the PH section..

indeed wrong thread but while here id personally go with tren or Epi. i had great results with epi and only took it to 30mg...

As for dosing, I don't think it's necessary to do high dosage *if you're in a calorie deficit* and just looking to preserve lean mass. If you're doing the typical *eat whatever, and use the boost in hormones to lose a little fat* technique, then you'll have to use a higher dosage.

I plan on taking epi for my next cut, and I'm thinking about doing 10mg for 6 weeks. I figure since epi isn't very harsh on your liver, and I'm only doing a low dose, I can do a longer cycle.

I've come to this conclusion from my personal experience, although not with this particular product, it was Winadrol, and I was only taking 100mg, which is pretty damn low, and I was losing fat, AND gaining muscle, all while doing LOTS of cardio, and on a very strict calorie deficit. Look at my PP Winadrol log.

I'd save the higher doses for bulking. But that's just my opinion.

I read that Winadrol is the same compound as Furazadrol, and one of the reviews for Furaz on this site says that you have to megadose it to see any tangible results. Can you take Epistane as it's directed and still get something out of it?

I saw tangible results during my last cut. I was doing lots of cardio, lifting, and only taking 100mg, and I GAINED muscle, and LOST fat at the same time, during the first week. After the first week, I mostly just lost fat, with a little muscle gain, but that's awesome, because I was on a calorie deficit (2300-2100 calories @ ~180lbs).

If you want to gain incredible amounts of muscle fast, then yes you have to megadose, but if all you want to do is hold on to lean mass while in a calorie deficit, then lower doses are all that's necessary. I think this is true for almost any hormonal product. I believe higher doses are only necessary if you want to gain muscle. During a cut, I think higher doses are a waste, because gaining muscle is not likely due to the fact that you're not taking in enough calories. You might see a little, but nothing incredible. I didn't see any noticeable difference between 100mg and 200mg of Winadrol while on a cut.

I think the best aspect of using a hormonal product while on a cut is the ability to do more cardio. This will allow for more fat being burned, and almost eliminate the possibility of overtraining. If you do decide to do more cardio with something dry like epi or fura, just be sure to start joint sups (G-C-MSM) at LEAST 2 weeks before (I start 4 weeks before, same time as my liver sups).

Play around with the dosing. 10mg might be too low for epi/havoc. 20mg might work better. All depends on the individual. I think 30-40mg would be a waste of money though. I think any time you take a hormonal product, you should start low, and work your way up, unless you KNOW you have to take incredible doses to see results (like if you've done several cycles already, and HAVE to take higher doses). There is a point of diminishing return, where your body just can't use any more. Why take more if you can get results with a lower dose?

Good luck!