JW32 and Shakes religion thread

I believe you're right...it's definitely one or the other. I'm just not so arrogant to presume I know the answer to this question. Are the Catholics right? Are the Buddhists wrong? What about the Jews or the Hindi? The Earth and everything else in the universe was created, perhaps by an omniscient being, perhaps not...I just can't claim to know that answer.

Maybe. But, I think science is more in line with a 'beginning' (like the Big Bang theory), not necessarily with a 'creator'.

It is something that has troubled my mind for quite awhile. When I finally discarded the wool that was covering my eyes, I became curious, scared, unsure, etc. That is not a coincidence.

Believing and a higher deity feels good, doesn't it?

Fear of the unknown may be innate, IMO. This lends itself to the religious "why's".

I am more inline w/ the 'spirit' concept. Some higher, undetectable energy of sorts. How that plays out in the physical world, I have no idea.

There was a time when we couldn't detect microwaves, gamma rays, UV light, etc. That, obviously, doesn't mean it didn't exist.

We can get philosophical on this, or stay with the physicalness. Or both. I like it.

Um... http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=conversation.

Not true. Civil War had nothing to do with religion. Religion isn't a begin-all, end-all to humanity.

We may never see 'the light of day' by the time we extinguish ourselves from Earth.

Survival is the primary motivation for any human being, whether conscious or unconscious. And survival of oneself seems to supersede the survival of the species. Backwards, if you ask me.

But, back on topic... I'm still learning. I'm open to all possibilities, even religious-based ones. Yes, that goes against my earlier posts where I pretty much said fuck all to religion. That was just me being stupid.

My main concern is when people follow blindly and are unaccepting of anything that goes against what they have been 'taught'.

Yes thats correct.

BTW, that probably has more to do w/ DAC's and such more than the optical cable. But, I do get your point. And, this is off-topic.

Greed is the root of all evil. Power. Power is what created religion. Religion is what give a lot of people power. A big ass circle jerk.

Accountability has been a huge focal point for a buddy and I's conversations regarding his girlfriend. Lack of accountability for an individual's actions putting them where they are today. It's not everyone else's fault or everyone else's problem that you put yourself into thousands of dollars of debt or you're running around with an abusive significant other. Or that you get drunk downtown and get into questionable situations.

It's not God's fault for war. It's a group of people seeking out an objective, 99% of the time that objective being someone else's land. Not fucking religious pursuits. That's just gibblty-gob political leaders feed the ignorant masses into believing. It's easier to scape-goat a religion than it is to take personal accountability.

If our President originally said, "We're gunna go fuck Saddam in the ass for persecuting his people for no good reason," I'd be like, "Well, good, fuck em'. We're already setup for retort against Al Qaeda (ironically who we originally funded anyway), why not double over? They're right next to each other." Instead we were fed BS and mislead. I think accountability was finally named, but never focused on because the media doesn't care about the good, only the strife and conflict. Notice how no one ever looks fucking good on TV? I wonder why that is....

Joe: I think it is an innate gift that goes with human intelligence. We're capable of the awarenessm, but not able to understand due to the limitations of human intelligence.

Shakes: That's some scary shit! It means we're all orphans.

Right on the $$$

It's called ACCOUNTABILITY or RESPONSIBILITY.


everyone blames other people like fucking tool bags

DERP!!! Its their fault!!!

Incorrect. People give people power. Some people just take power and make it for themselves. Religion is merely a facade.

Yup. Just like I said earlier... Power and control.

I think we are in agreement, maybe I just misstated my point a little.

I also mis-read a little bit, too. People also give religion power, as you said. People allow religion to have power or control over them.

I believe religion, at least some forms of it, have had some positive influences on humanity. Teaching kindness and goodwill are always good, no matter under which pretense it is presented.

Also, I believe one thing supersedes every other thought I have... the "Golden Rule".

Paraphrased... Do to others as you would have others do to you.

But, I'm still working on my nasty habit for harboring re/vengeful feelings.

Deductive reasoning is such a fallacy. And it correlates to my original point of accountability. Religion is "meant" to be good. It's people who interpret it in order to further their means, just like the Constitution has been in the past. Again, it's the person or people, not the religion. Religion is an intangible thing. I don't understand how people can think it makes anyone do anything.

Again, who is at fault? God, or us for not taking care of ourselves and our people? Who has the choice? We do, because that's what we were "given".

http://www.scientology.org/index.html

Yeah.........this is gettitting ridiculous.......