The Proof is Here

Now that would be awesome!

Its true, its all true. Don't trust him, he's only here to infiltrate us and destroy us from the inside out.

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Coastal Elitist

We are puritans comparitavely speaking. In Europe, sex is not half as taboo as it is here. In the US, it's a major scandal everytime there's a "wardrobe malfunction" as if we don't know that people have nipples.

On the other hand, we don't seem to have any problem at all with assloads of violence on television. Sex is a no-no, but you can watch people get shot, stabbed, blown up, etc?

I say...bring on the nips and lets cut the bloodshed down a bit.

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Is this like the irrefutable truth , that McCain sold out his fellow Hanoi Hilton captives?

you should be arguing the complete opposite...you have seen 3-5 clips of wright at his most extreme, looped over and over again on television...do you think that should be a fair representation of the man for the past 20 years that he was a pastor


side note- i dont really care if wright hates america or thinks the governement invented AIDS. he's an American and can think whatever the hell he wants. this doesn't mean that his radical views on indoctrinated in all of the people he preaches to. i was raised Catholic and as I got older I realized I really didn't agree with much of anything about the Catholic church. people aren't always ignorant, especially someone as smart as obama. you can go to a church and enjoy a service without agreeing with every word of a sermon. the fact that this has become such a big deal infuriates me...let's focus on the issues

and roids, look at obama's stances on health care, the economy, etc. before you go saying he offers no practical solutions. you sound like hillary saying he is all talk. obama just spoke near my school. i couldn't get a ticket, but from everything i have heard he spoke very specifically about the education and job problems faced by the people in this city and how he planned to fix them. people were inspired not because of his eloquent speech but because he gave them solutions.

just because you might not agree with his solutions doesn't mean they aren't there

his economic address just as an example...
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/27/827873.aspx

So now you don't like him becuase he's too liberal? Changing your story huh?

True, I do agree that we are a prude society due to people distorting the view of the human body.

As for violence on TV, I guess there is a decent amount. But fuck it, bring on the pussy and guns!

Thats not a gun.

First of all there's a big difference between Jeremiah Wright's sporadically insane comments over his 30 year career, and http://www.davidduke.com/.

Second of all, you'd consider this a "free pass"? Dude's been taking nothing but heat for it and it hasn't stopped. Shit, he's got random ass dudes on bodybuilding forums using his pic with Wrights as their avatar.

You're so right you're almost wrong for being so right! You and I both know why the democraps are against school vouchers and it hasn't jack fukkin shit to do with education or kids or poverty or any of the other things they pretend to give a shit about. It is about the teachers' union (aka National Education Association). The teachers' union has just as much lobbying power as big oil, big pharma, etc. Only, rather than having the repubs in their pockets, the dems are beholden to unions of all types and the last thing the TU wants to see is free market style competition in the govt school system, where tax $ would follow the student rather than go directly to the school system. This would mean that teachers and govt (aka public) schools would have to meet certain performance standards or cease to exist. Govt school teachers would lose their precious tenure because they would eventually be graded based on performance rather than years of service. We can't have that!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxoiZdBSi-g

idk about that. I barely watch Fox Noise and I still see Wright stuff a lot. MSNBC is my cable news channel of choice (surprise!) and they've been making me painfully aware of everything Wright says and how it affects Barack's campaign.

Also, if you saw Meet The Press this weekend, Tim Russert led off the top with like 10 straight Wright questions.

some good points there, but there is only so much you can do for public education when so much of the government budget is appropriated for other things...there is no reason US public schools should be lagging behind other countries

"U.S. students finished 15th in reading, 19th in math and 14th in science - and in a study that only ranked 31 nations. " (OECD rankings)

if war funding was put towards education there could be-
* 21,510,598 full four-year scholarships to public universities
* 7,689,734 new public school teachers
* 58,770,981 chances for children to attend head-start

you are simply wrong about the fact that it isn't money...have you ever been to an underfunded inner city school? do you really think those kids are getting an equal opportunity to succeed?

i'm going to be in thousands and thousand of dollars of debt when i leave school. obama offers a plan that would help me out (tax credit system)...i want the president of the US to change the priorities of this country.


as for health care, you (i assume) are insured and in good health. not everyone is as fortunate as you. the government's job is to serve the needs of the people, and in a country where people die or are sick because they cant afford medical treatment, the government is not doing its job. we spend 16% of our GDP on health care, far and away more than any other country. our system is inefficient and exclusive. incentives are a great idea but they can only go so far. take a look at obama's plan on his website, i think it really covers a lot of the concerns you are voicing.


http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/healthcare/
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/19ba2f1c-c03f-4ac2-8cd5-5cf2edb527cf.htm

i think hillary and obama both have good plans, mccain, in my opinion doesn't go nearly far enough

That's the problem. If we just raise taxes a bit more on the wealthy then teachers could carry tasers and this wouldn't happen!

Lemme guess, you'd be ok paying this tax for the rest of your life? Just so you can go to school? You're going to pay for it one way or the other. I'd rather you find a way to pay for it yourself, not force a tax on me to pay for you to attend higher education. Same thing for health care. Call me heartless, but it's not everyone's problem if an individual isn't capable of taking care of themselves, or was some-how born less fortunate.

I also think school systems should be regulated at the State level, not Federal. It's hard to concern yourself with the local community when you're dealing with international affairs. Which, IMO, is the point of a Federal fucking Government. That, and to keep the States straight.


And Az, you could say the exact same thing about Health Care. With the risk of litigation, it's no wonder health care costs are so outrageous. Who the fuck would want to get into that turmoil? Who would want that health care?

I'm sorry, but the Hive Mind is not how I expected the future to pan out.

I agree with you on the military funding and the re-allocation of funds. Why not start with more important things like the provision of food? Local housing? Otherwise, fund our government's employees (president, supreme court, senate) and regular maintenance of the military -- THEN REFUND THE REST BACK TO THE PEOPLE. There's no fuckin' way 40% of my income is necessary to fund our Federal Government. Let the people do their own thing with "their" money. Personally, I coulda used a portion of the multi-trillion dollar expendature in Iraq/Afghan, or some of the $15 billion spent on AIDS in Africa.

If there was a way to opt-out of a universal health care tax because your company already supplies the best, cheapest health care in the nation -- damn, that'd be a good fuckin' idea. If my company didn't offer the coverage it did, it would lose a significant portion of its employee base.

Exactly, and Health care is fucked up too.

Hospitals have means with which to recoup losses. American hospitals are required to provide emergency care to all, regardless of coverage. I went to the emergency room near a beach in Texas, and they were pretty big asshats about me paying up front or providing proof of insurance before they provided care. I was pretty pissed off that I "had" to pay for my care out of my vacation fund. This was later recouped, but still, a pain in my ass nonetheless -- especially when they are required to provide care regardless. And let's be honest, I'm not poor and I'm a healthy white guy with badass coverage. And they were asshats to me, WHY? Because numbnuts with a huge litter and minimum wage working fathers don't know how to regulate when propagating our species. Thus they can hardly afford existence, let alone health care. Why should I be punished for their lack of accountability? What gives me pause about universal health care is how it affects everyone else who bothers to go out and get a half-decent job with basic coverage. I don't even have a degree, for fuck's sakes! And then, how can one separate this situation from the naturally disabled?

I like how on my Texas Gas bill, it has the option to donate for those who are unable to pay their bill. PFFT. Donate my ass. Apply my overpayments towards future payments.

The Iraq war isn't what fucked the economy, it's the mortgage industry that did.

do you really think thats how universal health care works? the government just foots the entire bill for everyone's health care? universal health care is meant to ensure that those 15 million you speak of aren't completely screwed over...either way there needs to be drastic health care reform because it is getting to expensive for even middle class families

true, i misspoke, the iraq war has been catastrophic for the federal deficit and oil prices...both are tied in pretty strongly with economic performance

I won't disagree with this.

You can sure as fuck blame it for the enormous national debt that continues to grow by billions each day as well as the increased instability in the mideast that has resulted. Nevermind that the conflict could still spiral out of control and involve other arab countries, causing an even greater committment and burden from the US. But at least we're takin' the fight to the terrorists!!!

Then how come for most of the year, the economy was humming along great? A strong Bull Market. I'm sure the mortgage meltdown hurt us alot more than the war. Bear/Stearns, didn't go bankrupt, becuase of debts in Iraq.