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 Michael, his solution is to spend more on education. We've spent billions of dollars on the public school system, especially in the inner city, and look how far it's progressed? Dropout rates continue to increase, standards are lowered so the black kids can keep up. The Democrats always say more needs to be done about education, and there needs to be more spending. What they don't tell the people, and which is completely obvious if you just think a little, is that the Democrats have been running the education system in this country since the 1970s! If what they are doing isn't working, maybe it's time to look for other ways to deal with the problem? And don't tell me it's more money, because that certainly isn't it. Maybe school vouchers? The Democrats scream that it will be bad for the poor kids in the ghetto, but their parents are the first ones in line to sign up for vouchers! The Dems just don't want people to see this because then it goes against their bullshit, worthless argument for spending more on education because it results in higher taxes, something they love. They can have all the money in the world, but as soon as someone else as money, they want to take it away. And don't even start with Obama's health care plan. It will result in tax increases that will end up costing you and me more in the long run. And do you honestly want to give something as invaluable as your health over to the government? There's a reason why people come to the U.S. for complicated surgeries instead of going to Canada, Cuba, Sweden, or other countries with socialized medicine; we have the best quality of care. Once you turn it over to the government, quality will decrease significantly. There will be no reason for a doctor to perform well and help his patients because he'll be making the same amount of money, whether he sees 10 patients or 50 patients a day. One way to start decreasing the cost of health care in this country is if insurance companies would give incentives to healthy people, and charge unhealthy people more. If you eat healthy, exercise, and all of your tests come back very positive, you should receive a 10% cut in how much you pay to the insurance company. It's an incentive to be healthy, results in more money in your pocket, and will cost the insurance companies much less money in terms of care, thus lower costs for everyone.
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 | QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ May 5 2008, 09:17 AM) | | QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 5 2008, 12:35 AM) | | Another example, tons of sex on television. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing tits and ass as much as the next guy, but is it healthy for America? |
We are puritans comparitavely speaking. In Europe, sex is not half as taboo as it is here. In the US, it's a major scandal everytime there's a "wardrobe malfunction" as if we don't know that people have nipples. On the other hand, we don't seem to have any problem at all with assloads of violence on television. Sex is a no-no, but you can watch people get shot, stabbed, blown up, etc? I say...bring on the nips and lets cut the bloodshed down a bit. I'm J-Dub and I've approved this message. |
True, I do agree that we are a prude society due to people distorting the view of the human body. As for violence on TV, I guess there is a decent amount. But fuck it, bring on the pussy and guns!
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 | QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 5 2008, 03:27 PM) | | QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ May 5 2008, 09:17 AM) | | QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 5 2008, 12:35 AM) | | Another example, tons of sex on television. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing tits and ass as much as the next guy, but is it healthy for America? |
We are puritans comparitavely speaking. In Europe, sex is not half as taboo as it is here. In the US, it's a major scandal everytime there's a "wardrobe malfunction" as if we don't know that people have nipples. On the other hand, we don't seem to have any problem at all with assloads of violence on television. Sex is a no-no, but you can watch people get shot, stabbed, blown up, etc? I say...bring on the nips and lets cut the bloodshed down a bit. I'm J-Dub and I've approved this message. |
True, I do agree that we are a prude society due to people distorting the view of the human body. As for violence on TV, I guess there is a decent amount. But fuck it, bring on the pussy and guns! |
Thats not a gun.
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 | QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 5 2008, 02:18 PM) | | Maybe school vouchers? The Democrats scream that it will be bad for the poor kids in the ghetto, but their parents are the first ones in line to sign up for vouchers! |
You're so right you're almost wrong for being so right! You and I both know why the democraps are against school vouchers and it hasn't jack fukkin shit to do with education or kids or poverty or any of the other things they pretend to give a shit about. It is about the teachers' union (aka National Education Association). The teachers' union has just as much lobbying power as big oil, big pharma, etc. Only, rather than having the repubs in their pockets, the dems are beholden to unions of all types and the last thing the TU wants to see is free market style competition in the govt school system, where tax $ would follow the student rather than go directly to the school system. This would mean that teachers and govt (aka public) schools would have to meet certain performance standards or cease to exist. Govt school teachers would lose their precious tenure because they would eventually be graded based on performance rather than years of service. We can't have that! A litrtle background on Hussein's friend Bill Ayers
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 | QUOTE (Roids @ May 6 2008, 08:49 AM) | | It's mostly Fox Nuze giving him heat. If not for the fact that Wright is now basically trying to sabotage his campaign, Fox Nuze, and the help of great americans like Hannity, Boortz, Limbaugh, O'Rielly, etc, this woulda went away weeks ago. |
idk about that. I barely watch Fox Noise and I still see Wright stuff a lot. MSNBC is my cable news channel of choice (surprise!) and they've been making me painfully aware of everything Wright says and how it affects Barack's campaign. Also, if you saw Meet The Press this weekend, Tim Russert led off the top with like 10 straight Wright questions.
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 | QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 5 2008, 03:18 PM) | Michael, his solution is to spend more on education. We've spent billions of dollars on the public school system, especially in the inner city, and look how far it's progressed? Dropout rates continue to increase, standards are lowered so the black kids can keep up.
The Democrats always say more needs to be done about education, and there needs to be more spending. What they don't tell the people, and which is completely obvious if you just think a little, is that the Democrats have been running the education system in this country since the 1970s! If what they are doing isn't working, maybe it's time to look for other ways to deal with the problem? And don't tell me it's more money, because that certainly isn't it. Maybe school vouchers? The Democrats scream that it will be bad for the poor kids in the ghetto, but their parents are the first ones in line to sign up for vouchers! The Dems just don't want people to see this because then it goes against their bullshit, worthless argument for spending more on education because it results in higher taxes, something they love. They can have all the money in the world, but as soon as someone else as money, they want to take it away.
And don't even start with Obama's health care plan. It will result in tax increases that will end up costing you and me more in the long run. And do you honestly want to give something as invaluable as your health over to the government? There's a reason why people come to the U.S. for complicated surgeries instead of going to Canada, Cuba, Sweden, or other countries with socialized medicine; we have the best quality of care. Once you turn it over to the government, quality will decrease significantly. There will be no reason for a doctor to perform well and help his patients because he'll be making the same amount of money, whether he sees 10 patients or 50 patients a day.
One way to start decreasing the cost of health care in this country is if insurance companies would give incentives to healthy people, and charge unhealthy people more. If you eat healthy, exercise, and all of your tests come back very positive, you should receive a 10% cut in how much you pay to the insurance company. It's an incentive to be healthy, results in more money in your pocket, and will cost the insurance companies much less money in terms of care, thus lower costs for everyone. |
some good points there, but there is only so much you can do for public education when so much of the government budget is appropriated for other things...there is no reason US public schools should be lagging behind other countries "U.S. students finished 15th in reading, 19th in math and 14th in science - and in a study that only ranked 31 nations. " (OECD rankings) if war funding was put towards education there could be- * 21,510,598 full four-year scholarships to public universities * 7,689,734 new public school teachers * 58,770,981 chances for children to attend head-start you are simply wrong about the fact that it isn't money...have you ever been to an underfunded inner city school? do you really think those kids are getting an equal opportunity to succeed? i'm going to be in thousands and thousand of dollars of debt when i leave school. obama offers a plan that would help me out (tax credit system)...i want the president of the US to change the priorities of this country. as for health care, you (i assume) are insured and in good health. not everyone is as fortunate as you. the government's job is to serve the needs of the people, and in a country where people die or are sick because they cant afford medical treatment, the government is not doing its job. we spend 16% of our GDP on health care, far and away more than any other country. our system is inefficient and exclusive. incentives are a great idea but they can only go so far. take a look at obama's plan on his website, i think it really covers a lot of the concerns you are voicing. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/healthcare/http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues...cf2edb527cf.htmi think hillary and obama both have good plans, mccain, in my opinion doesn't go nearly far enough
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 | QUOTE (Michael218532 @ May 6 2008, 06:52 PM) | i'm going to be in thousands and thousand of dollars of debt when i leave school. obama offers a plan that would help me out (tax credit system)...i want the president of the US to change the priorities of this country.
as for health care, you (i assume) are insured and in good health. not everyone is as fortunate as you. the government's job is to serve the needs of the people, and in a country where people die or are sick because they cant afford medical treatment, the government is not doing its job. we spend 16% of our GDP on health care, far and away more than any other country. our system is inefficient and exclusive. incentives are a great idea but they can only go so far. take a look at obama's plan on his website, i think it really covers a lot of the concerns you are voicing.
i think hillary and obama both have good plans, mccain, in my opinion doesn't go nearly far enough |
Lemme guess, you'd be ok paying this tax for the rest of your life? Just so you can go to school? You're going to pay for it one way or the other. I'd rather you find a way to pay for it yourself, not force a tax on me to pay for you to attend higher education. Same thing for health care. Call me heartless, but it's not everyone's problem if an individual isn't capable of taking care of themselves, or was some-how born less fortunate. I also think school systems should be regulated at the State level, not Federal. It's hard to concern yourself with the local community when you're dealing with international affairs. Which, IMO, is the point of a Federal fucking Government. That, and to keep the States straight. And Az, you could say the exact same thing about Health Care. With the risk of litigation, it's no wonder health care costs are so outrageous. Who the fuck would want to get into that turmoil? Who would want that health care? I'm sorry, but the Hive Mind is not how I expected the future to pan out.

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 | QUOTE (Michael218532 @ May 7 2008, 01:24 PM) | | well fine, I'd rather have someone else pay for a war that i don't support...you pay taxes already, its the way the money is allocated that is the problem. military spending is absurd, the Iraq war has been catastrophic for our economy, and now a huge portion of our federal budget goes towards interest. all i want is for my tax dollars to be as beneficial to the country as possible, and i feel like education and health care are two damn good ways to spend that money |
I agree with you on the military funding and the re-allocation of funds. Why not start with more important things like the provision of food? Local housing? Otherwise, fund our government's employees (president, supreme court, senate) and regular maintenance of the military -- THEN REFUND THE REST BACK TO THE PEOPLE. There's no fuckin' way 40% of my income is necessary to fund our Federal Government. Let the people do their own thing with "their" money. Personally, I coulda used a portion of the multi-trillion dollar expendature in Iraq/Afghan, or some of the $15 billion spent on AIDS in Africa. If there was a way to opt-out of a universal health care tax because your company already supplies the best, cheapest health care in the nation -- damn, that'd be a good fuckin' idea. If my company didn't offer the coverage it did, it would lose a significant portion of its employee base.
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 | QUOTE (ftank @ May 7 2008, 12:23 PM) | | QUOTE (Michael218532 @ May 6 2008, 06:52 PM) | i'm going to be in thousands and thousand of dollars of debt when i leave school. obama offers a plan that would help me out (tax credit system)...i want the president of the US to change the priorities of this country.
as for health care, you (i assume) are insured and in good health. not everyone is as fortunate as you. the government's job is to serve the needs of the people, and in a country where people die or are sick because they cant afford medical treatment, the government is not doing its job. we spend 16% of our GDP on health care, far and away more than any other country. our system is inefficient and exclusive. incentives are a great idea but they can only go so far. take a look at obama's plan on his website, i think it really covers a lot of the concerns you are voicing.
i think hillary and obama both have good plans, mccain, in my opinion doesn't go nearly far enough |
Lemme guess, you'd be ok paying this tax for the rest of your life? Just so you can go to school? You're going to pay for it one way or the other. I'd rather you find a way to pay for it yourself, not force a tax on me to pay for you to attend higher education. Same thing for health care. Call me heartless, but it's not everyone's problem if an individual isn't capable of taking care of themselves, or was some-how born less fortunate. I also think school systems should be regulated at the State level, not Federal. It's hard to concern yourself with the local community when you're dealing with international affairs. Which, IMO, is the point of a Federal fucking Government. That, and to keep the States straight. And Az, you could say the exact same thing about Health Care. With the risk of litigation, it's no wonder health care costs are so outrageous. Who the fuck would want to get into that turmoil? Who would want that health care? I'm sorry, but the Hive Mind is not how I expected the future to pan out. |
Exactly, and Health care is fucked up too.
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 When people talk about those who don't have access to healthcare, I always like to ask is question. How many people have you known who, when they get sick or injured, can not get care?
If you look at the # of people who don't have insurance, roughly 40 million, a significant portion of those are people who opt out for various reasons (young healthy, single, religious reasons, etc). In reality, the number is probably somewhere around 15 million people who need insurance, but can't afford it. Why do we need the govt to come up with a new plan, which it already can't afford, to cover 300 million people, when only 15 or so million are in need?
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 | QUOTE (Roids @ May 7 2008, 02:28 PM) | When people talk about those who don't have access to healthcare, I always like to ask is question. How many people have you known who, when they get sick or injured, can not get care?
If you look at the # of people who don't have insurance, roughly 40 million, a significant portion of those are people who opt out for various reasons (young healthy, single, religious reasons, etc). In reality, the number is probably somewhere around 15 million people who need insurance, but can't afford it. Why do we need the govt to come up with a new plan, which it already can't afford, to cover 300 million people, when only 15 or so million are in need? |
Hospitals have means with which to recoup losses. American hospitals are required to provide emergency care to all, regardless of coverage. I went to the emergency room near a beach in Texas, and they were pretty big asshats about me paying up front or providing proof of insurance before they provided care. I was pretty pissed off that I "had" to pay for my care out of my vacation fund. This was later recouped, but still, a pain in my ass nonetheless -- especially when they are required to provide care regardless. And let's be honest, I'm not poor and I'm a healthy white guy with badass coverage. And they were asshats to me, WHY? Because numbnuts with a huge litter and minimum wage working fathers don't know how to regulate when propagating our species. Thus they can hardly afford existence, let alone health care. Why should I be punished for their lack of accountability? What gives me pause about universal health care is how it affects everyone else who bothers to go out and get a half-decent job with basic coverage. I don't even have a degree, for fuck's sakes! And then, how can one separate this situation from the naturally disabled? I like how on my Texas Gas bill, it has the option to donate for those who are unable to pay their bill. PFFT. Donate my ass. Apply my overpayments towards future payments.

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