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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:24 AM
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Your talking about the clean. I'm talking about the jerk, when you push the weight over your head. Most people who to WL, use bumper plates, so when were done, we just drop the bar on the platform.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ May 9 2008, 11:24 AM)
Your talking about the clean. I'm talking about the jerk, when you push the weight over your head. Most people who to WL, use bumper plates, so when were done, we just drop the bar on the platform.

Okay, so help him w/ the clean then. rolleyes.gif He obviously can't just dump the weight.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:42 AM
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Your talking about the clean. I'm talking about the jerk, when you push the weight over your head. Most people who to WL, use bumper plates, so when were done, we just drop the bar on the platform.

Okay, so help him w/ the clean then. rolleyes.gif He obviously can't just dump the weight.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:43 AM
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What type of plates are you using for cleans?

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QUOTE (vanity2 @ May 9 2008, 11:42 AM)
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Your talking about the clean. I'm talking about the jerk, when you push the weight over your head. Most people who to WL, use bumper plates, so when were done, we just drop the bar on the platform.

Okay, so help him w/ the clean then. rolleyes.gif He obviously can't just dump the weight.

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Sometimes Azfit's forehead gets a little thick.

You must instruct him. Perfectly.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:45 AM
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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ May 9 2008, 11:43 AM)
What type of plates are you using for cleans?

Just the standard 25-45lb steel plates. It's not a powerlifting gym so I can't bash the shit out of the floor.

Maybe if I can't drop them completely I shouldn't be doing them.
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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE (vanity2 @ May 9 2008, 11:45 AM)
Maybe if I can't drop them completely I shouldn't be doing them.

Never thought about that. huh.gif

Azfit, for the love of everything holy, please, PLEASE, just help the man bring the bar down safely using steel plates in a non-powerlifting gym. Surely, you haven't used bumper plates your entire life.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:48 AM
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Where do you live?

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Posted: May 9 2008, 11:52 AM
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Lol, I was going to see if there is an WL gym near you.

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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ May 9 2008, 11:52 AM)
Lol, I was going to see if there is an WL gym near you.

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I live in chicago suburbs. There's probably a ton of WL gyms here but I like the gym I'm at.

I do those exercises by Coach Dos...they're in Men's Health and he put out a book called Power Training....long story short:

Each day starts with an explosive exercise. Cleans, jerks, stuff like that. It was all fun and games until I started getting stronger. Now that I'm doing 135+ it's beating my shoulders to death.

I have a feeling that maybe real powerlifters don't hold the bar after every lift, doing 5 reps at a time. They probably drop it and start over.
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Lol, I was going to see if there is an WL gym near you.

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I live in chicago suburbs. There's probably a ton of WL gyms here but I like the gym I'm at.

I do those exercises by Coach Dos...they're in Men's Health and he put out a book called Power Training....long story short:

Each day starts with an explosive exercise. Cleans, jerks, stuff like that. It was all fun and games until I started getting stronger. Now that I'm doing 135+ it's beating my shoulders to death.

I have a feeling that maybe real powerlifters don't hold the bar after every lift, doing 5 reps at a time. They probably drop it and start over.

Power/explosive lifting is fun isn't it, John? I've been doing a lot of it lately. I've been borrowing workouts from Crossfit. I incorporate those and some normal "bodybuilding" exercises to design my routines.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 12:02 PM
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ya, it really is. After 10+ years of typical bodybuilding exercise with bodypart days, that got really boring.

Now I do sports and powerlifting exercises. Tons of compound movements. Not only am I a lot bigger and stronger, but I'm in the gym more often and leaner from it. Just seems so much more efficient if I'm working out to be healthy instead of for mass.

Biggest bonus is no more leg day. I work legs 4x a week, but just 4 sets each day. I can front squat nearly 250lbs now! WooOoOoOo
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QUOTE (vanity2 @ May 9 2008, 12:02 PM)
ya, it really is. After 10+ years of typical bodybuilding exercise with bodypart days, that got really boring.

Now I do sports and powerlifting exercises. Tons of compound movements. Not only am I a lot bigger and stronger, but I'm in the gym more often and leaner from it. Just seems so much more efficient if I'm working out to be healthy instead of for mass.

Biggest bonus is no more leg day. I work legs 4x a week, but just 4 sets each day. I can front squat nearly 250lbs now! WooOoOoOo

We sound like we are in similar boats. That's awesome!

Have you tried overhead squats yet? I've been doing those. I haven't gotten around to front squats yet.... well... I kinda have... I do what are called "Thrusters". It's like a front squat + push press in one motion.

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Posted: May 9 2008, 12:18 PM
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Lol, I was going to see if there is an WL gym near you.

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I live in chicago suburbs. There's probably a ton of WL gyms here but I like the gym I'm at.

I do those exercises by Coach Dos...they're in Men's Health and he put out a book called Power Training....long story short:

Each day starts with an explosive exercise. Cleans, jerks, stuff like that. It was all fun and games until I started getting stronger. Now that I'm doing 135+ it's beating my shoulders to death.

I have a feeling that maybe real powerlifters don't hold the bar after every lift, doing 5 reps at a time. They probably drop it and start over.

It's beating your shoulders to death, becuase you haven't learned proper technique. A few sessions a month with a certified coach will fix that, and also allow you to lift alot more weight. I only weigh 190lbs right now, but I can easily outlift guys who outweight me by 20,30, 40lbs in the clean, becuase they have really bad technique. I do triples with 100kgs, and I never have shoulder problems, becuase I catch the weight properly. Call Larry Watkins at (630)-587-9363. He is the head coach for Sayre Park WLC in Chicago. I'm sure he can help you with your techniqe, or find a club near you.

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QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ May 9 2008, 12:16 PM)
We sound like we are in similar boats. That's awesome!

Have you tried overhead squats yet? I've been doing those. I haven't gotten around to front squats yet.... well... I kinda have... I do what are called "Thrusters". It's like a front squat + push press in one motion.

Yup thats exactly the stuff I do. Overhead squats and the "thrusters" we call "Push-Presses". Super hardcore cardio from doing those!

Also doing a lot of unilateral stuff;
single arm db presses
single leg squats
single leg deadlifts

All balance exercises to work the whole body at once.

AZFIT - Thanks for the contact info. I might give 'em a buzz
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BTW I like front squats b/c I feel I can go super deep with more control. You obviously can't use as much weight but it slams your glutes and core
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QUOTE (vanity2 @ May 9 2008, 12:28 PM)
BTW I like front squats b/c I feel I can go super deep with more control. You obviously can't use as much weight but it slams your glutes and core

Yeah... I fucked myself last year doing back squats. Haven't done them since. I do good mornings, though very light.

I've tried front squats in the past, but they always hurt my wrists. I'm just ignorant to them and don't know how to hold the bar properly.

John, the #1 thing that has helped my legs... the whole leg... quad, ham, calf, and even glutes are jump squats. Those things are kick ass. My calves have REALLY come out since starting those.

Have you ever been to the CrossFit website. Great place for exercise/workout ideas.

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BTW I like front squats b/c I feel I can go super deep with more control. You obviously can't use as much weight but it slams your glutes and core

Yeah... I fucked myself last year doing back squats. Haven't done them since. I do good mornings, though very light.

I've tried front squats in the past, but they always hurt my wrists. I'm just ignorant to them and don't know how to hold the bar properly.

John, the #1 thing that has helped my legs... the whole leg... quad, ham, calf, and even glutes are jump squats. Those things are kick ass. My calves have REALLY come out since starting those.

Have you ever been to the CrossFit website. Great place for exercise/workout ideas.


I've wanted to do jump squats but didnt know how. Do you hold dumbells?

And regarding grip on Front Squats, I don't do that wrist curl either. It's too painful. Here's some pictures on an alternate method to hold it. Even Dildo does this them way so you can do it too.


1) Cross your hands over each other, resting the bar inside your thumb loop.
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2) Walk up to the bar with your elbows down and thumbs tucked into your collar bone
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3) Push your elbows forward, resting the weight on your front delts, nestling the bar into your collarbone and thumbs
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4) Final position. Bar will rest on your upperchest, thumbs, and front delts.
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Posted: May 9 2008, 01:07 PM
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Doing front squats with a clean grip is better. You just need to keep doing them, eventually your wrists will loosen up.

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