hey you guys i wanna look into trying a PH cycle....umm this will be my VERY FIRST time doing this so which ones do you guys recommend?? and pct? just let me know what i need to do. im 20yrs old i'll be 21 in july im currently 6'3 177lbs my goal is to go up atleast to 190-195lbs. so please give me your suggestions....remember it is my 1st time thank you!

You don't need PHs. All you need is to eat a shit load and train hard and heavy. The muscle will come.

I wouldn't do a PH cycle unless you've been serious about lifting and dieting for a while. I personally got my best gains not on PHs but when I finally got my diet in check, whether it be a lean bulk or a cut. If you're already on top of your game with your diet and training then doing a PH cycle will def speed things up a bit, but don't expect miracles, there's only so much that can be accomplished in a month. If you're looking to take it very easy on your liver I wouldn't stack methyls, however now a days most stuff out there is a methyl stack of some sort. Personally when I was on the Phs I got pretty good gains without stacking ten different compounds. My favorite is Superdrol and its clones (Mdrol). But since it is your first time you could probably do Havoc and get very good results from it. ArnoldClone has a Havoc log floating around in the forum. First time user I would go that route. Also please have Nolva (tamoxifen citrate) on hand in case you get gyno on cycle (it happens) and enough on hand for Pct as well. OTC anti estrogens aren't going to cut it. I was on an Sdrol cycle and had inhibit E on hand for on cycle and was planning on doing research chem tamoxifen for PCT. I started getting gyno after the first week (itchy nipples that hurt) and the inhibit E didn't do Sh%^ to help. So do yourself a favor and have the right support supps ready. You also need to take Milk Thisle while you're on, and before your on to protect your liver.

thanx will

RPM and Drive together will expediate your gains and no pct involved. Its good stuff, try that for about 2 months and then in the mean time do a shit ton of research on phs and proper pct and diet. If you still wanna use a ph for a mass gain then look into Phera, but make sure you do your home work cuz side effects are a bitch for any ph.

I would gain some weight and mass first. I am 5'9 and I weigh 180. If your 6'3 177, you should probably eat some fucking food. IMO.

I would have to agree with everyone. I did a PH cycle awhile back, it was to early. I thought I was eating enough and I was wrong. Sure I gained some weight and a little to much strength and injured my shoulder.

hint, if you have to have someone help you get the first rep for shoulder presses, its too much

It will be a long time before I do another cycle. EAT then Eat some more. If you are working out you will gain good weight if you eat clean

YOU want to take steroids after posts such as these:

"tru thanx...i was thinking about getting either serious mass or cyto gainer but i see that real gains people keep mentioning it. and i guess i do that then. i need to have other things with me through out the day to fill up my 6 times a day eatting routine. a PB&J sandwich ..banna..tuna fish sandwich things like that and have my shakes to go with them. how does this sound ?"

"is there anything i can take so slow down my metabolism....it will make it easier to gain weigh if this shyt was a little slower!"

"im real good at pull-ups now if im able to pull my own body weight...should i be able to squat the same amount of my body as well? i ask this bc i've never really worked out my legs and i wanted to kno with which way shuold i start"

"in addition to taking the typical protien shake, bars, creatine etc after your workout....whats the best FOOD MEAL to eat after you done with your workout?...Or what do you guys usally eat after your work, Cuz i know ya be starvin lol"

learn what you are doing with diet and training first. get to at least 205 lean first.

rpm and drive aren't going to contribute to a single lb of muscle. they will just make you feel like working out. not worth the money but ok if you get it for free.

Eat right and train like a beast for a good solid 3-4 years then if you still want to run a anabolic start researching it then good luck bro

Eat,eat,and eat some more. Get good sleep every night. Train hard consistently and take proven supps that have less sides first. Creatine,Fish Oil,multi-vitamin,Whey,Maltodextrin,and dextrose will help you see some solid strength and muscle gains till you are truely ready for ph's. You need to put on at least twenty more lbs before you even think about ph's. If you plan on doing some ph's (hopefully not till you gain more muscle and have diet in check) Get some pheraphlex or M-drol before they get banned . Also for first ph cycle you should start with something weaker like havoc just to see if ph's or prosteriods are for you. Always keep a serm on hand no matter what and take some 6-oxo or nolvedex, milk thistle, red yeast rice with coq10,nac,and saw palmetto during cycle and everything besides the 6-oxo or nolvedex after cycle. Protect yourself from sides. I am natural but help buddies in the gym with there cycles. I have seen people get great gains with no sides and some get small gains with many sides. BE S[COLOR=red]MART!

Eat,eat,and eat some more. Get good sleep every night. Train hard consistently and take proven supps that have less sides first. Creatine,Fish Oil,multi-vitamin,Whey,Maltodextrin,and dextrose will help you see some solid strength and muscle gains till you are truely ready for ph's. You need to put on at least twenty more lbs before you even think about ph's. If you plan on doing some ph's (hopefully not till you gain more muscle and have diet in check) Get some pheraphlex or M-drol before they get banned . Also for first ph cycle you should start with something weaker like havoc just to see if ph's or prosteriods are for you. Always keep a serm on hand no matter what and take some 6-oxo or nolvedex, milk thistle, red yeast rice with coq10,nac,and saw palmetto during cycle and everything besides the 6-oxo or nolvedex after cycle. Protect yourself from sides. I am natural but help buddies in the gym with there cycles. I have seen people get great gains with no sides and some get small gains with many sides.BE SMART!

Plus, you should wait until you are more around 25 your testosterone levels should still be pretty high.

M-Drol is probably your best bet as a first timer.