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| Posted by: hadi_D Apr 29 2008, 10:45 PM |
| It's really sick and makes sense. How this is formulated for alot of fucking money. I mean I son't even have to explain, the video speaks for itself. http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=188579 How Demolition took down the towers, the fake phone calls on the planes, the fake video of Osama confessing, and how much money was actually involved in this whole fucked up Scam! It really makes me sick to my stomach while I drink my PM shake. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 29 2008, 11:04 PM |
| You really don't think planes did it? |
| Posted by: goodskie Apr 29 2008, 11:14 PM |
| i fuckin hate these idiotic videos. this is my response http://youtube.com/watch?v=KFf-buObxl8 |
| Posted by: Will109090 Apr 30 2008, 12:22 AM |
| Anyone who actually thinks the U.S. government would purposely murder 3000 of its own citizens on home territory to advance cause for a war is retarded. I'm not saying our government is perfect and we haven't done some shady shit in the past, shit that none of us can even comprehend, but that bullshit theory is completely false. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Apr 30 2008, 06:38 AM | ||
x 2 its just a misconception they try and get us to beleive, so we convert to islam |
| Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 30 2008, 07:26 AM | ||
I think the US Gov is the most corrupt, internally run Bullshit...Politics are a cult just like religion is....see you suckers in hell... |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 30 2008, 08:23 AM |
| Who cares, that was like so 7 years ago. |
| Posted by: Big_Ben Apr 30 2008, 08:35 AM | ||
Good video!!! |
| Posted by: ftank Apr 30 2008, 08:56 AM |
| Sighhh.... when something is said in a factual manner, does not mean it is true. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 30 2008, 09:00 AM |
| The History channel had a show on about 2-3 weeks ago on the Debunking the 9/11 myths. It showed how Popular Mechanics examined the conspiracy theories found on that Loose Change video and broke them down. Of course the same company that owns the History channel owns Popular Mechanics so I don't think it was really impartial. |
| Posted by: Palo Alto Labs Apr 30 2008, 09:06 AM | ||
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html my gf met the kids who made loose change... dont believe everything you see on youtube |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 30 2008, 09:55 AM | ||
The fact that every 6 months "Loose Change" comes out with a "revised" addition, where they keep having to drop claims, shows how little they really know. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 30 2008, 09:57 AM |
| I guess anyone can make an argument for either side. We'll never know the real truth. |
| Posted by: ftank Apr 30 2008, 10:01 AM | ||
*blink blink* |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 30 2008, 10:10 AM |
| I love how 7 years later, no one has ever come forward with definite evidence from ground zero of blast caps, thermite, or any demolition equipment, no one has ever come forward stating they saw demo crews entering the building multiple times, and doing pre demo work, no one from the FAA, USA, USAF, Pentagon, FBI, NYPD, FDNY, or dozens of other government agencies has ever come forward stating they were told by superiors to stand down, and let things happen, or worse, were told to ignore evidence, or conceal it. It's funny how such a massive conspiracy has no paper trail, no money trail, and no one who has ever come forward saying they were part of it. Mean while there is mountains of evidence, money trails, paper trails, eye witnesses, video footage, recorded calls from people on the planes, etc showing the terrorists training for, entering, hijacking, and crashing the planes. |
| Posted by: Palo Alto Labs Apr 30 2008, 12:56 PM |
| everyone says that bush and his cabinet are a bunch of idiots... yet a person of his caliber could pull off such a thing without anyone figuring out but 2 kids from NY (the loose change creators)???? common conspiracy theory... South Park did a pretty funny skit on it ... you can find it on youtube or another video site |
| Posted by: Roids Apr 30 2008, 01:00 PM |
| This isn't news. Rosie O'Donnel figured this out years ago on The View. It was most likey alien lizard men who were relatives of George Bush and Queen Elizabeth. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 30 2008, 01:16 PM |
| You mean Kris Kristofferson? |
| Posted by: Roids Apr 30 2008, 01:19 PM | ||
and him to. |
| Posted by: Powder~Fiend Apr 30 2008, 08:02 PM |
| It is serious subjects like these that demand intense scrutiny and articulate explanation that can be provided by only one man, DANNY BONADUCE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnliRXAIyIo |
| Posted by: RandyOrton Apr 30 2008, 08:07 PM |
| ahah "yeh.... fuckin cincinatti ohio's telling everyone what happened" that firemen is the man |
| Posted by: goodskie Apr 30 2008, 08:40 PM | ||
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| Posted by: ftank May 6 2008, 04:22 PM |
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| Posted by: Christoph22123 May 6 2008, 04:30 PM | ||
awesome |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 6 2008, 07:35 PM |
| You mean perpetual motion isn't true? |
| Posted by: unstable May 6 2008, 07:50 PM |
| there's definitely some shit about 9/11 that doesn't sit right with me. I don't necessarily believe the loose change shit, but they do raise some valid points. How is it that one of the passports from the alleged hijackers somehow ended out in the streets of NY instead of burning with the buildings and the planes? Explain that to me and hell...I'll believe anything. |
| Posted by: goodskie May 6 2008, 09:18 PM |
| it flew out of the fuckin plane when it crashed? wait no bush stole it when he flew planes into the towers by remote control and he left the passport on the streets |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 6 2008, 09:28 PM | ||
Where did you read that? I've never heard that before. |
| Posted by: goodskie May 6 2008, 09:31 PM |
| i dont see how that suspicious |
| Posted by: Roids May 6 2008, 10:12 PM |
| Unstable is right! It was not hijackers. This had to be an inside job or the work of Israel. Better yet, it was probably those damn alien lizardmen as usual. |
| Posted by: unstable May 7 2008, 07:49 PM | ||
| alright cunts. here's a link to none other than BBC...not some conspiracy theorist website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1546927.stm
Now I'd just love to know the explanation for this. The planes crashed into a ball of fucking fire that was hot enough to somehow incinerate steel so the building toppled down on itself...yet a paper passport survives. The fucking titanium cased-flight recorders didn't even survive...yet this paper passport survived. Who knows, but that seems pretty damn bizarre to me. I didn't say shit about Israel or anything else roids you fucking cunt. So just explain the passport. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 7 2008, 09:05 PM |
| I think they just assumed it was a terrorists, pass port, I've never seen another story, where anyone claimed they had one of the known terrorists passports. |
| Posted by: goodskie May 7 2008, 09:12 PM |
| no need to be such a cry baby unstable. you're right tho the passport on the ground means that the goverment did it. its solid proof. good call |
| Posted by: unstable May 8 2008, 11:34 AM | ||
is that what I said homo? Because if that's what you read then you suffer horribly from a lack of reading comprehension. Remember those tests? The ones where you had to actually read what was written and then answer questions based upon that? Welcome to the internet, where you really should try to apply your reading skills to make appropriate responses that are applicable to the situation. Some of you fuckers really make me feel like I'm a fucking genius...seriously. I typically don't feel like I have superior intelligence or intellect, but some of the conversations that occur here really make me feel like I have above average intelligence or you fuckers are borderline retarded...and that's not a joke or a flame or whatever...there are some really dumb sons-of-bitches here. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 8 2008, 02:05 PM |
| Ahhh profanity, and accusing someone of homosexuality, the last resort, of a man with a losing argument. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 8 2008, 02:16 PM |
| I think some people thrive off their own ignorance. They just don't know any better. |
| Posted by: Roids May 8 2008, 02:17 PM | ||
All right here we go. Where's that popcorn emoticon??! |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 8 2008, 02:19 PM | ||
There is no such thing as an 'argument' here, at least in the true sense of the word. I would shit-piss myself if I actually saw someone use multi-syllable words intelligently. I agree w/ unstable for the most part. I don't adhere to any specific 'conspiracy' theory. But, some stuff just doesn't add up and is tough to swallow. I'm not saying I think the government had something to do w/ this, but don't think I would put it past them to have at least some involvement. |
| Posted by: Roids May 8 2008, 02:23 PM |
| Werd. It wouldn't completely shock me if some in the intel community might have discovrered that something was coming that day and perhaps turned their heads in order to allow for some future plans to be carried out in response to the attack. But the idea that the whole thing was an inside job or the buildings had been prewired to implode on 9/11 is assinine. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 May 8 2008, 02:24 PM |
| But who really cares, this was 7 years ago. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 8 2008, 02:26 PM | ||
You are an asshole. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 8 2008, 03:23 PM | ||||
My main problem with conspiracy theories, is the same people who think the government was behind this elaborate plot, also think Bush is a moron, who can't run the Iraq war. |
| Posted by: Roids May 8 2008, 03:44 PM | ||
Right! How could those idiots think that about Bush when the last 5 years has proven.... shit nevremind. |
| Posted by: ftank May 8 2008, 03:57 PM | ||||
Remember his actions are chained and tethered by Congress. Lots of people say he went outside his jurisdiction, but there's even so far that we'll let that go before we jerk on the chain. |
| Posted by: goodskie May 8 2008, 05:23 PM | ||||
actually i never said that you did say that. so u need to learn how to read. and quit being so mean its hurting my feelings. do u feel really smart when u call people on the internet "fuckers" ect? you sound really secure with yourself and mature as well |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 8 2008, 05:33 PM |
| Goodskie, have we found another juiced out prick who takes their aggressions out on others on the internet, like the pussies they are? |
| Posted by: goodskie May 8 2008, 05:40 PM |
| i believe thats what we have found. joseph, we should terrorize all the forums for geared out assholes. fuck i'm on test and i'm an asshole.....but i was before test and i'm actually nicer on it. i sure as fuck wasnt on m-drol tho |
| Posted by: unstable May 9 2008, 06:58 AM | ||
You must be on planet ape-shit-crazy...but fuckit, calling a retard a retard is pointless when they reply with "I want sausages!" |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 May 9 2008, 09:29 AM |
| Planes took it down--period--no looking for excuses-- |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 09:36 AM |
| I agree, planes took it down. Imagine the force (F=MA) hitting those towers. The weight of the planes, how fast they were traveling, and the fuel in the tanks all contributed to the destruction of the towers. Not some government plot bullshit. That is one big missle, if you think about it, an airplane. Duhhh the aliens helped the government do it.... duhhhh. Christoph, everyone is on the JUICE!!! Its summer time, gotta look good, right!!! So, the goons let their roid rage spill itself onto the threads. |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 May 9 2008, 09:40 AM |
| Word-- All the bloated red faces during the winter are now depleted looking agony at the gym |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 09:46 AM |
| I find it so rediculous now, how guys juice to, "look more attractive for the ladies, or guys for that matter like some guys around here." Or juice because they want to be, "bigger", because of some inferiority complex. Those are the true fags IMO. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 9 2008, 11:50 AM |
| If the government blew up the buildings, in a controlled demo, then why go through the charade of of crashing the planes into it? Why not just load up a bunch of cars with Arab looking people, and blow up the buildings? |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 May 9 2008, 11:52 AM | ||
Didn't they try that in 1993? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 11:53 AM |
| I can believe that the twin towers came down because of the planes. But, what about building 7? That thing came down exactly like a demolition... and it wasn't hit by a plane and had limited damage from the planes hitting the towers. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 11:54 AM |
| AZ, you truly believe the government was, "in on it"? I'm not saying it is untrue, could be possible. People have done worse... Shakes, so the physics of the airplane crashing into the building which caused the destruction is in question? |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 May 9 2008, 11:54 AM | ||
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| Posted by: Christoph22123 May 9 2008, 12:02 PM | ||||
As closed minded as Word who cares this shit happened 7 years ago? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 12:03 PM | ||
Joe, you are completely backwards... Azfit doesn't believe in conspiracies. I agreed that the planes could have been the sole cause of the towers coming down. My point was w/ building 7 (not a tower) that came down. Research that building. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 12:04 PM |
| Chris, Shakes was being mildly fececious. fece... How could building #7 fall in that manner without being hit? Impact from near by structures??? Why isn't this talked about more often? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 12:04 PM | ||||||
Will knows he's an asshole and is sorry. Right, Will? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 12:06 PM | ||
Joe, Chris is referring to Will's comments, not my own. You are fucking lost today. What are you doing? People believe the News. Guess who controls the news... |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 May 9 2008, 12:06 PM |
| Sorry for what? You fuckers can't take a joke. That's ok, I understand. It's that time of the month. Anyway, either building 7 was made out of clay or they really did a shitty construction job for it to just crumble for no apparent reason. |
| Posted by: unstable May 9 2008, 12:24 PM | ||
that's the type of shit I'm saying doesn't add up. Passport, Building 7 and other shit. I'm not saying the government was in on it because there's really no proof of that whatsoever. There is proof that a passport of an alleged hijacker was found in the street when the flight recorders didn't survive. There is also proof that building 7 crumbled when it didn't suffer a direct hit from a plane and only caught fire because of debris from the other buildings... |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 12:28 PM |
| Unstable.... A nearby apartment complex went up in flames recently. A journalist from the news paper lived in that building. He said his lap top was in perfect shape, but for whatever reason, everything else had water damage, smoke damage, ect... How could that lap top survive? Same concept, right? I think it could go either way. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 12:30 PM | ||
Well... maybe if you are talking about a piece of paper making it safely to the ground. Those chances are already slim to none. But, you add that they say it's a terrorist's passport... how coincidental. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 9 2008, 12:35 PM | ||
I don't think the government is on it. A conspiracy of that magnitude would be impossible to hide. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 12:36 PM |
| I agree with AZ..... for once |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 9 2008, 12:39 PM | ||
Building 7 was hit by massive debri from tower 2, and caught on fire, and burned un controlled for over 8 hours, not only did all the stuff in building 7 burn, but several storage tanks full of diesel fuel, for back up generators blew up and burned. You let a steel building burn uncontrolled for 8 hours at 1,000 degrees, combined with structural damage fom falling debris from the other two towers, and you get a classic building collapse. Buildings don't fall like people think they do in movies. They fall like building 7 did. |
| Posted by: unstable May 9 2008, 12:39 PM |
| Joe- Let's look at it a different way. We're told that the jet fuel and the combustable material inside the WTC was enough to melt thick-ass steel I-Beams to the point that the buildings collapsed on themselves. Additionally, the titanium flight recorders couldn't survive. Now...I'm the terrorist with my passport on my person or my carry on luggage...I couldn't check it with my bags because I need it in case anyone asks. I'm on the plane with my other Johnny-Jihaad friends and we do the hijack thing. I'm either in the cockpit or I'm in the aisle with the passengers telling them "We be ok. We be ok". The plane crashes into a ball of fire. Jesus Christ reaches down from heaven and grabs the passport, craddling it with divine intervention, he pulls it from out of the flames and allows it to fall safely down to the ground to be discovered. A few hours later, Jesus and Mohammed decide that they are enjoying all of the carnage and decide that WTC 7 might as well fall as well. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 9 2008, 12:43 PM |
| Is that initial news articel from right after 9/11 the only things you've read about the passport, that MAY, have been from the terrorists, who by the date of that article, hadn't even been confirmed? The steel didn't melt, it got weak. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 12:44 PM | ||
Couldn't they have somehow survived the crash and something else destroyed, as I pointed out in my "apartment fire" story? |
| Posted by: unstable May 9 2008, 12:52 PM | ||
I'm calling bullshit on this. It takes extreme heat to melt steel. An oxy acetylene torch burns at 3200 to 3500 degrees and that's an oxidized flame...you don't get that when you just burn diesel. edit-->even if we're not talking about melting steel, it takes an enormous amount of heat to get steel to warp...and warping isn't collapsing. You have to use your brain on this...have you ever tried puting a metal bar into a flame? The heat is distributed across the entire bar. You will not experience any structural issues with that bar until it reaches a high enough temperature...a common fire might not even be enough to do it to a piece of pipe or a bar. If diesel burned hot enough, why don't diesel motors combust and warp and break? This was a steel framed building, you've got to be kidding if you think it should collapse like a deck of cards. But I guess some people will believe anything. When most people saw the twin towers drop, they thought "wow, that LOOKED like a controlled demolision". We're told it wasn't and the authorities explain the mechanics behind why the buildings collapsed like that. Now you take another building that wasn't exposed to jet fuel, didn't get hit by a jet...and it collapses too and explain it away in the same way...oh it was because Ted in the accounting department ate too much taco bell that day, he had shit in a toilet and didn't flush it...that combined with the diesel fuel (which doesn't burn very hot at all that's why most military vehicles are diesel engines) somehow made the building fall down. |
| Posted by: PotentiallyFatal May 9 2008, 12:54 PM |
| ...if you beleive that planes brought down the twin towers you are a mindless NWO zombie. Get a brain morans! |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 12:56 PM |
| If the heat was that extreme, nearby structures would have melted... ect... The destruction would have been worse, right? If it was planned, the destruction was limited to a small area... |
| Posted by: Alan115396 May 9 2008, 12:59 PM |
| Jesus.........you kniggs are going crazy, lately |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 9 2008, 01:16 PM | ||||
It doesn't have to melt. But when the entire structure of the building is maintaned by a few major support beams, all it takes is for those beams to lose some of their structural strength for them to fail. Do you have a structural engineering degree? Do you know what stress levels steel take? "According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down." The building also sustained severe damage before the fires started. ""The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. " From the Popular Mechanics article http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7 |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 01:29 PM |
| One minute AZ sounds right, then Unstable seems plausible... I tend to agree with Az on this one. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 9 2008, 01:45 PM |
| The biggest hole in the conspriacy theory is that after 7 years no one has ever come forward with actual proof of demolitions used, or any evidence by any government agency, an email, memo, phone call, etc, that the government was in on it. Since 9/11 a bunch of CIA,FBI,NSA people got shit canned. You mean to tell me these people would be on in the conspiracy, get fired, and not leak info? |
| Posted by: Roids May 9 2008, 01:51 PM |
| I believe that George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Don Rumsfeld personally went into the buildings at night a few days prior to 9/11 and wired them up. Then, Osama personally called GWB the morning of 9/11 to let him know exactly when the planes were scheduled to hit so that he could detonate the bombs in the bldgs by RC as soon as each plane hit. I mean seriously, you can just watch the videos of the bldgs collapsing and tell that it was a controlled demolition. Everyone knows that when 747s hit 110 storey buildings they don't collapse like that. |
| Posted by: joseph23573 May 9 2008, 01:52 PM |
| Good point Az |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 May 9 2008, 02:08 PM | ||
Maybe they were made to "disappear". |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 02:10 PM |
| Strange how the DC Madam committed 'suicide', even after she claimed in an interview that she would never do that. She pretty much prophesied her own demise. No, this has nothing to do w/ terrorists. But, it has everything to do with the powers above. |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 May 9 2008, 02:39 PM |
| The Towers were structurally built, architectural implemented, that if ever the Twin towers were to fall they would do so with the littlest of area fall out...Meaning, they would collapse down. Did you know on all sides, the groves that u see the windows are in, are tracks built so the window cleaners, and cranes could lock in and use them as rails? They also acted as support cages. Stranger than Fiction- rings a bell |
| Posted by: Christoph22123 May 9 2008, 02:43 PM | ||
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| Posted by: Roids May 9 2008, 03:16 PM |
| Christopher, aren't you from the state of Canada? |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 03:18 PM | ||
Don't start takin' shit to our fellow brother of the North American Union, Roids. |
| Posted by: azfittrainer May 9 2008, 03:23 PM | ||
I thought it was like Puerto Rico and Gaum, and was just a territory. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 03:26 PM |
| Has anyone ever wondered why the GW'ment is making this 'War on Terror', yet is not doing shit to protect our physical borders? |
| Posted by: Roids May 9 2008, 03:33 PM |
| shakes, you're just being a racist hate monger. Afterall, it's their land. They're just trying to take it back. |
| Posted by: ShakesAllDay May 9 2008, 03:37 PM | ||
What are you smokin'? I asked a question about the GW'ment's involvement in protecting our borders in the "War on Terror". I never said anything about the immigrants. I was simply stating that it seems pretty odd that they are soooo concerned about tracking down these terrrists, yet allow thousands of undocumented people come into our country. This isn't an immigration concern... |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 May 9 2008, 03:39 PM |
| Pretty simple really. You don't have illegal Mexicans crashing planes into buildings and wanting to bomb bridges and tunnels. |
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| Posted by: Will109090 May 11 2008, 01:14 AM | ||
DC Madame could have exposed many powerful politicians in Washington. While it may have been a suicide, I think it's very possible that she was "offed" by an assassin hired by certain politicians. But we'll never know because the U.S. government is so fucking huge. |