Will knows he's an asshole and is sorry. Right, Will?

Joe, Chris is referring to Will's comments, not my own.

You are fucking lost today. What are you doing?

People believe the News. Guess who controls the news...

that's the type of shit I'm saying doesn't add up. Passport, Building 7 and other shit. I'm not saying the government was in on it because there's really no proof of that whatsoever.

There is proof that a passport of an alleged hijacker was found in the street when the flight recorders didn't survive. There is also proof that building 7 crumbled when it didn't suffer a direct hit from a plane and only caught fire because of debris from the other buildings...

Well... maybe if you are talking about a piece of paper making it safely to the ground. Those chances are already slim to none. But, you add that they say it's a terrorist's passport... how coincidental.

I don't think the government is on it. A conspiracy of that magnitude would be impossible to hide.

Building 7 was hit by massive debri from tower 2, and caught on fire, and burned un controlled for over 8 hours, not only did all the stuff in building 7 burn, but several storage tanks full of diesel fuel, for back up generators blew up and burned. You let a steel building burn uncontrolled for 8 hours at 1,000 degrees, combined with structural damage fom falling debris from the other two towers, and you get a classic building collapse. Buildings don't fall like people think they do in movies. They fall like building 7 did.

you are twisted


Couldn't they have somehow survived the crash and something else destroyed, as I pointed out in my "apartment fire" story?

I'm calling bullshit on this.

It takes extreme heat to melt steel. An oxy acetylene torch burns at 3200 to 3500 degrees and that's an oxidized flame...you don't get that when you just burn diesel. edit-->even if we're not talking about melting steel, it takes an enormous amount of heat to get steel to warp...and warping isn't collapsing. You have to use your brain on this...have you ever tried puting a metal bar into a flame? The heat is distributed across the entire bar. You will not experience any structural issues with that bar until it reaches a high enough temperature...a common fire might not even be enough to do it to a piece of pipe or a bar. If diesel burned hot enough, why don't diesel motors combust and warp and break?

This was a steel framed building, you've got to be kidding if you think it should collapse like a deck of cards.

But I guess some people will believe anything. When most people saw the twin towers drop, they thought "wow, that LOOKED like a controlled demolision". We're told it wasn't and the authorities explain the mechanics behind why the buildings collapsed like that.

Now you take another building that wasn't exposed to jet fuel, didn't get hit by a jet...and it collapses too and explain it away in the same way...oh it was because Ted in the accounting department ate too much taco bell that day, he had shit in a toilet and didn't flush it...that combined with the diesel fuel (which doesn't burn very hot at all that's why most military vehicles are diesel engines) somehow made the building fall down.

It doesn't have to melt. But when the entire structure of the building is maintaned by a few major support beams, all it takes is for those beams to lose some of their structural strength for them to fail. Do you have a structural engineering degree? Do you know what stress levels steel take?

"According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

The building also sustained severe damage before the fires started.

""The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner. "

From the Popular Mechanics article

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...tml?page=5#wtc7