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JW, I do agree that there are definitely people on both sides who don't know any of the issues and will just go in and vote for someone based on party line, which is pathetic, or they will vote for their candidate based on one issue that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. But do you really think many college students are voting for Obama based on his policies? I'm 100% sure there are many leftist students in the University system that agree with many of his nanny state policies because they live in their ideal fantasy land (I was one of those bleeding hearts until about 18 months ago), but there are tons that really don't know anything about him and are just voting for him because he's a new face, his skills at public speaking, and his talk of bringing Washington back to what it's supposed to do and serving the people. I don't know what the news is like over in SoCal, but in the nation's capitol, for the past 6 months, top news story is ALWAYS about the election, and they interview people a lot. Obama came to speak at one of the universities in D.C. a couple months ago, and the reporter interviewed 5-6 students attending the speech. Not even a single one of them said they're voting for him based on policy, but because he speaks well and seems like he can change politics in this country. My question is, how is Obama going to bring the two parties together when he's the most liberal Senator in the country? He talks about not serving special interests in this country, but some of his top supporters have special interests in their back pocket. Check it: http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htmBy the way, Obama ain't Muslim to whomever thought he was. He's a Christian. Let's face it, politicians don't serve people like you and me anymore. They serve the big corporate interests.
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| QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 6 2008, 01:37 AM) | | I don't know what the news is like over in SoCal, but in the nation's capitol, for the past 6 months, top news story is ALWAYS about the election, and they interview people a lot. Obama came to speak at one of the universities in D.C. a couple months ago, and the reporter interviewed 5-6 students attending the speech. Not even a single one of them said they're voting for him based on policy, but because he speaks well and seems like he can change politics in this country. |
I don't watch the local San Diego news much. I'm a politics junkie so I watch national news stuff mostly...lots of election coverage. I can't speak for every Obama supporter, nor will I presume to. Like I said, there are pleny of ignorant "only read the headlines" types on both sides of the isle. Barack just draws peeps like a magnet cuz of the inspiration, charisma, eloquence, leadership, whatever "factor". I see it as a tremendous asset of his. It's cool that you keep yourself informed though. If you follow all 3 of the candidates thoroughly and your man is McCain, then so be it...that's the beauty of democracy. We're not all going to be alligned with the same candidate.
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| QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 6 2008, 01:37 AM) | JW, I do agree that there are definitely people on both sides who don't know any of the issues and will just go in and vote for someone based on party line, which is pathetic, or they will vote for their candidate based on one issue that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
But do you really think many college students are voting for Obama based on his policies? I'm 100% sure there are many leftist students in the University system that agree with many of his nanny state policies because they live in their ideal fantasy land (I was one of those bleeding hearts until about 18 months ago), but there are tons that really don't know anything about him and are just voting for him because he's a new face, his skills at public speaking, and his talk of bringing Washington back to what it's supposed to do and serving the people. I don't know what the news is like over in SoCal, but in the nation's capitol, for the past 6 months, top news story is ALWAYS about the election, and they interview people a lot. Obama came to speak at one of the universities in D.C. a couple months ago, and the reporter interviewed 5-6 students attending the speech. Not even a single one of them said they're voting for him based on policy, but because he speaks well and seems like he can change politics in this country.
My question is, how is Obama going to bring the two parties together when he's the most liberal Senator in the country? He talks about not serving special interests in this country, but some of his top supporters have special interests in their back pocket. Check it: http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
By the way, Obama ain't Muslim to whomever thought he was. He's a Christian. Let's face it, politicians don't serve people like you and me anymore. They serve the big corporate interests. |
for every person who blindly supports obama there is some other douchebag who buys into all of the non policy issues like Wright, the middle name Hussein, etc. (roids). if obama can stir up support from people isnt that a good thing???
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| QUOTE (Michael218532 @ May 6 2008, 06:59 PM) | | QUOTE (Will109090 @ May 6 2008, 01:37 AM) | JW, I do agree that there are definitely people on both sides who don't know any of the issues and will just go in and vote for someone based on party line, which is pathetic, or they will vote for their candidate based on one issue that doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
But do you really think many college students are voting for Obama based on his policies? I'm 100% sure there are many leftist students in the University system that agree with many of his nanny state policies because they live in their ideal fantasy land (I was one of those bleeding hearts until about 18 months ago), but there are tons that really don't know anything about him and are just voting for him because he's a new face, his skills at public speaking, and his talk of bringing Washington back to what it's supposed to do and serving the people. I don't know what the news is like over in SoCal, but in the nation's capitol, for the past 6 months, top news story is ALWAYS about the election, and they interview people a lot. Obama came to speak at one of the universities in D.C. a couple months ago, and the reporter interviewed 5-6 students attending the speech. Not even a single one of them said they're voting for him based on policy, but because he speaks well and seems like he can change politics in this country.
My question is, how is Obama going to bring the two parties together when he's the most liberal Senator in the country? He talks about not serving special interests in this country, but some of his top supporters have special interests in their back pocket. Check it: http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
By the way, Obama ain't Muslim to whomever thought he was. He's a Christian. Let's face it, politicians don't serve people like you and me anymore. They serve the big corporate interests. |
for every person who blindly supports obama there is some other douchebag who buys into all of the non policy issues like Wright, the middle name Hussein, etc. (roids). if obama can stir up support from people isnt that a good thing??? |
Yes, it's a good thing if he can stir up support. But don't support him because he's a good speaker, because Joel Osteen is one of the best public speakers I've ever heard, but is he capable of being President? No. Listen to his policies (something Barack doesn't talk too much about) and determine from there if you like the guy or not. I don't give a shit if the guy can speak really well. I just want him to run the country correctly and keep taxes low.
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| QUOTE (Roids @ May 7 2008, 06:44 PM) | The relationships with wright and ayers is anything but a non-issue. I don't think that Obama condones what Ayers did or that he necessarily agrees with everything that wright says. However, the fact that he not only attended the church for 20 years himself, but also subjected his kids to such vitriolic anti-USA, racist, and hateful speeches speaks volumes about his character and judgement. The fact that he considers himself friends with a guy who attempted to pull a Timothy McVeigh style bombing in the 1960's is also more than a little unsettling. How will this kind of judgement be reflected in his foreign policy decisions?
I would hope that the next president would have better judgement than this and I can't understand how anyone with any common sense could consider these associations a "non-issue." |
how on earth do you think these relationships will affect what happens with US policy? is there going to be an internal man hunt on a governement AIDS conspiracy? is the US government going to start bombing its own buildings? i have known a lot of shitty people in my life, and been friends with some pretty shady characters, i dont think i should be judged on the character of the company i have kept in the past...and in this case, these relationships seem to have no practical affect on the job of the presidency
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| QUOTE (Michael218532 @ May 9 2008, 11:13 PM) | | QUOTE (Roids @ May 7 2008, 06:44 PM) | The relationships with wright and ayers is anything but a non-issue. I don't think that Obama condones what Ayers did or that he necessarily agrees with everything that wright says. However, the fact that he not only attended the church for 20 years himself, but also subjected his kids to such vitriolic anti-USA, racist, and hateful speeches speaks volumes about his character and judgement. The fact that he considers himself friends with a guy who attempted to pull a Timothy McVeigh style bombing in the 1960's is also more than a little unsettling. How will this kind of judgement be reflected in his foreign policy decisions?
I would hope that the next president would have better judgement than this and I can't understand how anyone with any common sense could consider these associations a "non-issue." |
how on earth do you think these relationships will affect what happens with US policy? is there going to be an internal man hunt on a governement AIDS conspiracy? is the US government going to start bombing its own buildings? i have known a lot of shitty people in my life, and been friends with some pretty shady characters, i dont think i should be judged on the character of the company i have kept in the past...and in this case, these relationships seem to have no practical affect on the job of the presidency |
It makes you wonder who he will he surround himself with when he chooses his cabinet members. What kind of supreme court judges will be nominated? How will his lack of good judgement effect his foreign policy? Will he buy into whatever bullshit is fed to him by leaders like Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinejad, Hugo Chavez, etc? In general, who will he be getting advice from? Who will be his "mentor" when he takes on his new role, which is only the most important fucking job in the world. Oh no, you're right. These past relationships mean nothing and we sure can use some good ole change for it's own sake. Besides, if we pass up the opportunity to elect Barrack, it could be decades before we have another chance to elect the first black or mixed-race president with a neat background like his. Again, please stay home on election day. Shouldn't you be preparing for finals that week ayway?
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| QUOTE (Roids @ May 10 2008, 12:58 PM) | | QUOTE (Michael218532 @ May 9 2008, 11:13 PM) | | QUOTE (Roids @ May 7 2008, 06:44 PM) | The relationships with wright and ayers is anything but a non-issue. I don't think that Obama condones what Ayers did or that he necessarily agrees with everything that wright says. However, the fact that he not only attended the church for 20 years himself, but also subjected his kids to such vitriolic anti-USA, racist, and hateful speeches speaks volumes about his character and judgement. The fact that he considers himself friends with a guy who attempted to pull a Timothy McVeigh style bombing in the 1960's is also more than a little unsettling. How will this kind of judgement be reflected in his foreign policy decisions?
I would hope that the next president would have better judgement than this and I can't understand how anyone with any common sense could consider these associations a "non-issue." |
how on earth do you think these relationships will affect what happens with US policy? is there going to be an internal man hunt on a governement AIDS conspiracy? is the US government going to start bombing its own buildings? i have known a lot of shitty people in my life, and been friends with some pretty shady characters, i dont think i should be judged on the character of the company i have kept in the past...and in this case, these relationships seem to have no practical affect on the job of the presidency |
It makes you wonder who he will he surround himself with when he chooses his cabinet members. What kind of supreme court judges will be nominated? How will his lack of good judgement effect his foreign policy? Will he buy into whatever bullshit is fed to him by leaders like Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinejad, Hugo Chavez, etc? In general, who will he be getting advice from? Who will be his "mentor" when he takes on his new role, which is only the most important fucking job in the world. Oh no, you're right. These past relationships mean nothing and we sure can use some good ole change for it's own sake. Besides, if we pass up the opportunity to elect Barrack, it could be decades before we have another chance to elect the first black or mixed-race president with a neat background like his. Again, please stay home on election day. Shouldn't you be preparing for finals that week ayway? |
i dont see how going to church with a radical pastor is going to make him "buy into whatever bullshit is fed to him by leaders like Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinejad, Hugo Chavez, etc". You really have no rational behind this and have latched on to some sound bites and bullshit fox news analysis to formulate all of your views on him. How about we look at Obama's ceasefire deal with Niger (i gave a link in my obama post if you care to actually check out an article about obama with actual substance to it), an example actually fucking applicable to foreign policy, not the man's personal friends. ...and i finished my finals, but thanks for another attempt at being condescending. im surprised you aren't embarrassed by the fact that someone significantly younger than you can easily dissect all of your crappy political "opinions", if you even want to call them that because they usually resemble brainwashed fox news spam.
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