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Posted: Apr 16 2008, 08:11 PM
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Just lookin for feedback, about to embark on a determined cut (its about time)...looking for any type of feedback. My goal is to maintain LBM and lose 4% BF in 9 weeks. Does this seem reasonable?

Current Stats:

5'10
217 lbs
12% bf

Current Supplementation:

BCAA's pre/during, Amino Vital.
Melatonin/Glutamine before bed.

Current Illicits:

1000mg test en. EW
50mg winstrol tabs ED
100mcg Clenbuterol combo ED *w keto
100mcg Cytomel ED (2 wk on 1 wk off)


*****Meal 1*****
6 egg whites
1 whole egg
2 oz grilled chicken
1.33 cup steamed spinach
4 tsp peanut butter or 12 almonds
6.5 oz PEELED ruby red grapefruit
– splenda packets can be used to sweeten if desired
42g protein, 25g carbohydrates, 15g fat


*****Meal 2*****
6 oz grilled chicken breast or halibut/tilapia or Sirloin fillet or
Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water)+ 5g GlutaForm
2 tbsp peanut butter
1 cup steamed Broccoli or green beans or 8 oz steamed asparagus
42g protein, 10g carbohydrates, 15g fat


*****Meal 3*****
6 oz grilled chicken breast or halibut/tilapia or Sirloin fillet or
Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water)
1.5 cup steamed Broccoli or green beans or 12 oz steamed asparagus
2 tbsp peanut butter or 18 almonds
42g protein, 15g carbohydrates, 15g fat


*****Meal 4*****
6 oz grilled chicken breast or halibut/tilapia or Sirloin fillet or
Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water)
1 cup steamed Broccoli or green beans or 8 oz steamed asparagus
2 tbsp peanut butter or 18 almonds
42g protein, 10g carbohydrates, 15g fat


*****Meal 5*****
6 oz grilled chicken breast or halibut/tilapia or Sirloin fillet or
Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water)+ 5g GlutaForm
18 almonds
1 cup steamed Broccoli or green beans or 8 oz steamed asparagus
42g protein, 10g carbohydrates, 15g fat


****Meal 6*****
6 oz grilled chicken breast or halibut/tilapia or Sirloin fillet or
Tuna (albacore packed/canned in water)
1 cup steamed Broccoli or green beans or 8 oz steamed asparagus
3 oz avocado or 18 almonds
6.5 oz PEELED ruby red grapefruit
– splenda packets can be used to sweeten if desired
42g protein, 25g carbohydrates, 15g fat


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Every 18th meal is the Carb meal. It is the last meal and it replaces
Meal 6. The Carb Meal must be eaten in this order.

1. 1.5 cups steamed green beans or 12 oz asparagus = 15g
carbohydrates
2. ¾ cup oatmeal (measured dry then add water and microwave)
= 45g carbohydrates
3. tbsp raisins or 6.5 oz grapefruit = 15g carbohydrates
4. ¾ tbsp honey = 15g carbohydrates
4-6 packets splenda for sweetening
5. 18 almonds = 15g fat
6. 8 oz sweet potato = 60g carbohydrates
7. 2 tbsp peanut butter or almond butter = 15g fat
4-6 packets splenda for sweetening
150g Carbohydrates = 600 Kcals, 30g Fat = 270 Kcals

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Posted: Apr 16 2008, 08:15 PM
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Looks boring as all hell but well laid out.

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Posted: Apr 16 2008, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 16 2008, 08:15 PM)
Looks boring as all hell but well laid out.

well I can mix and match bw sirloin, chicken or 3 types of fish, and 3 differnt types of fibrous greens...9 wks shouldnt be all that bad.

its all about discipline now...

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Posted: Apr 16 2008, 10:14 PM
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looks good to me man. i'm cutting now too. i eat the same thing several times a day tho. making all that food u are seems like a bitch. i'm probly getting in the same amount of protein carbs and fat but from the same shit over and over,

i dont count cals either. just have about 50-60 grams of protein (weigh more than u) and about the same amount of carbs and fat.

u should do very well if ur training and cardio is done right which i'm sure it is

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Posted: Apr 17 2008, 12:13 AM
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Replace the PB with Flax oil and u can add more carbs from yams oatmeal or brown rice. The added carbs will give u more energy and help u hold on to muscle when cutting
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QUOTE (Menna @ Apr 17 2008, 12:13 AM)
Replace the PB with Flax oil and u can add more carbs from yams oatmeal or brown rice. The added carbs will give u more energy and help u hold on to muscle when cutting

noted. I was thinking of adding some more carbs to my pre wo meal...like a bowl of oats or brn rice. The flax seed oil is an excellent idea, if I find I reach a plateau, I will defn drop the pb in favour of flax.

I would then have to adjust other areas of my meal plan in order to keep it at a precise 2500 cals. Im using a digital food scale this time around, no eyeballing portion size anymore...always found that I was overly generous with my portioning. 6 oz of chicken is not much at all, and when ur hungry and guessing...6 oz turns to 8 or 10 real easy.

on the topic of losing mass, ive increased my test to nearly 1200mg EW and am eating win tabs at 50mg daily...If this doesn't help preserve mass, I don't know what will. I'm probably going to add 50-75 mg tren ace daily in a few weeks. I've got the gear, just going to monitor results and decide whether to use it with this cutter, or add it to my 2009 lean bulker.

thanks for the input, everyone.

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Posted: Apr 17 2008, 10:31 AM
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Dude I dont know about all that Test. Shit! But Cycling carbs is the best way to lean in my opinion! For instance on leg days (ps: I now have alot of leg days biggrin.gif ) I carb up like whoa! With 1 cup of oatmeal in the morning & apple and Cytogainer post workout. And have brown rice and hammer the fruits with some greens aswell, and at night of leg days Musclemilk!

Oh! And another PS: I took me to loose my arm but I now know the Secret to Abs and a Great Core! I promise, I have never looked better then when I had to arms then now! Guess I'm just really focused.

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Posted: Apr 17 2008, 12:09 PM
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QUOTE (hadi_D @ Apr 17 2008, 10:31 AM)
I carb up like whoa! With 1 cup of oatmeal in the morning & apple and Cytogainer post workout. And have brown rice and hammer the fruits with some greens aswell, and at night of leg days Musclemilk!

...the whole point of the cut diet is to avoid the insulin spike. By consuming both low gi carbs, and timing their intake I can minimize it, essentially keeping my metabolism revved up. You can't achieve this by eating fruits.

Im on my 2nd day so far, not tired one bit. Hunger is at a minimum. Plus I was getting tired of having to stuff my face every couple hours, literally forfeeding myself. Its a nice break is all im saying, I'm sure after the 9 weeks, i'll be glad to jump back onto a maintenance diet. The combination of foods that I'm eating seem to sit well in my stomach. At first sign of hunger, I can look at the clock and note that I am usually withing 20 minutes of a meal...so its not like im tired or anything, training sessions haven't changed either (so far).

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Posted: Apr 17 2008, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE (goodskie @ Apr 16 2008, 10:14 PM)
making all that food u are seems like a bitch.

....its easier than I thought it would be. I spent about an hour preparing meats 2 nights ago. Over 2 kg of chicken and 1kg of top sirloin...I have about 2 more days supply which means that I'll have to cook and prep my meats 2 maybe 3 times per wk.

The greens are simple. I buy flash frozen greens, weight them up and throw them in tupperware w. already prepped meat for meals while I am away from home. I do this the night before for meals that I will be eating while at work or on the go.

Breakfast is straightforward, eggs take 5 mins, the steamed spinach is another 5 or 10 and the chicken is ready, just needs to be heated. Throw some almonds and some grapfruit on the side and I'm done.

I can actually see myself working a helluva lot less in the kitchen on this diet than my last bulk. Seems like a lot of work, if I stay on top of prep work I will always have a meal on hand, and at the worst will have to steam veggies once or twice a day (not including my 2 or 3 hours per week of meat grilling marathon).



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i dont think you'll lose any muscle. no way. i'm just on test and i'm at 250 from 270 and i'm strong as ever and arms measure the same. legs lost 1/4 inch but i hold some blub there. you should get shredded on this

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Posted: Apr 17 2008, 04:11 PM
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PF,

are you using Ketostix? i'm assuming you're looking to go into ketosis, but i'm not sure if approx 90g/carbs a day will do that for you. that's pretty close, but i always had to get to around 70g for that to happen.

just a suggestion, but otherwise everything looks tight....
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[QUOTE]...the whole point of the cut diet is to avoid the insulin spike. By consuming both low gi carbs, and timing their intake I can minimize it, essentially keeping my metabolism revved up. You can't achieve this by eating fruits.
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Uhm...You totally didnt get what I just said. When I do leg days, I carb up aka my carb load day, hence i cycle my carbs, and dont think i am gaining fat with fruit anyways. But on nontraining days i consume beans, oatmeal, and healthy fats, and really watch my carbs.

But as i am also saying the times when you are gonna wanna cheat, and it will be later on since this is your 2nd day. Well you can eat alot of fruit, 10x better then ice cream, candy and junk food.
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QUOTE (cycobushmaster @ Apr 17 2008, 04:11 PM)
PF,

are you using Ketostix?  i'm assuming you're looking to go into ketosis, but i'm not sure if approx 90g/carbs a day will do that for you.  that's pretty close, but i always had to get to around 70g for that to happen.

just a suggestion, but otherwise everything looks tight....

not ketosix, cutdiet.com, you can dl the ebook. I've seen Derek aka beast plastered a few forums with it, and I actually tuned into a radio show where him and the doctor who wrote the book laid everything out, the background science mainly and answered a few questions...I don't believe this type of diet puts you into a ketogenic state, but 3 days in...I still feel pretty good. Overall energy is normal, I'm in a bit of a shitty mood at time because I'm craving carbs, that and the unseasoned, plain meals aren't much of a treat.

...but like I said earlier, its all about discipline at this point. Guys like me don't shred up very easily, I always seem to get derailed around the 11% BF mark due to lost stregth and stamina...mind you I have only tried to cut twice, and both times all natural. This time round I've got help wink.gif

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cool-i'll hvae to look into that. your plan looks solid, so i think you're gonna see some very positive results....
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hows the cut?

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QUOTE (goodskie @ Apr 21 2008, 08:34 PM)
hows the cut?

...pretty good so far. The plain unseasoned dishes were really killing my appetite, so I've started to season my sirloin with motreal steak spice. My chicken and veggies snacks, I'm adding a tbsp of low fat ranch dressing. The added sodium and flavour seemed to spark my appetite and I kill each meal and am pretty much hungry 20-30 minutes after.

I'm not too concerned about the water retention due to sodium at this point, the win is doing its job and keeping me dry...havent weighed myself lately, but am noticing that im more vascular in the shoulder and chest area than I ever was before...arms are pretty much a road map...abs still need to 'pop'

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word. i'm starting winny in 3 weeks. hopefully it makes me leaner lol. i use a lot of hott sauce btw. its good for cutting.

all i really eat right now is chicken, egg whites, extra lean ground feel, whole grain rice, oats and broccoli. its pretty gay

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