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 | QUOTE (workingatit46 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:20 PM) | | QUOTE (On3musta @ Aug 1 2008, 02:21 PM) | | actually havoc seems to be a little more potent than epi, i mean look at any log on it and the sides seem to be more noticable as well for example libido... |
Do not know how to answer that they are both the exact same compound at the same dose |
I've actually noticed that havoc gets better feedback overall than epi too. I don't know what the deal is. Also -- It is a steroid. I noticed you said you wanted to gain without steroid use or whatever. And save the creatine for PCT, epi/meth-e/hav and good nutrition should be more than enough.
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 At 120 just eat and lift. Add protien and a creatine cycle after you get that down. It is probably best to stay away from any kind of steroids until you gain a lot naturally. Oh ya and PRO-HORMONE is just a friendly name for steroid.
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