| QUOTE (Cdubya @ Mar 29 2008, 08:09 PM) |
| Yeah J-dub I have the same dropper I'm guessing |
CTD?
Time for Hoops to eff around with PH's! |
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| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 27 2008, 09:28 PM |
| Alright, so here's what I've got: Epistane M-Drol Methoxy TST I'd like to stack the Epistane and Methoxy TST (thanks for the idea Tree33) do my PCT, see how I liked it, then move on to the hard stuff, namely the M-Drol. For supports I've got Milk Thistle and that's pretty much it. I've got some random stuff laying around (Retain by AX and Fenugreek) that I really have no idea what to do with, so if those are decent for on-cycle or PCT, lemme know and maybe I'll throw em in there. For PCT, I've got Nolva and was thinking about taking Leviathan instead of Tribulus, but maybe both...lemme know what you think. Will also pick up some Taurine, but is that better for on-cycle or PCT? I'm a rookie when it comes to the PH's, so advices are appreciated. LETS GET NUTS!!! |
| Posted by: OmniRed Mar 27 2008, 09:52 PM |
| I'd hold off on the trib until PCT, the taurine i'd use on cycle. I would probably just hold off on the LR and use the trib. If you're going to be eating enough carbs and calories to induce weight gain while on your stack, you might be just wasting the LR... My 2 cents. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Mar 27 2008, 09:55 PM |
| actually, the taurine is commonly used for back pumps, but since Epi is so mild, i doubt that you will get any. I might just wait and see how you feel first and then use it with the M drol down the road. You might want to pick up some hawthorn berry, or you could just use AI's On Cycle. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 27 2008, 09:56 PM | ||
By "LR" do you mean Leviathan Reloaded? I've just got a bottle of the original. I was gonna use it for PCT cuz it's got Tribulus in it already...figured I'd just take that rather than buy new Trib. I don't mind losing some lbs during PCT, as long as I keep some from the cycle. I've been hovering at 250 for a while now, which I'm comfortable with, just wanna improve the aesthetics some. Omni, have you taken Epistane or Methoxy TST? |
| Posted by: OmniRed Mar 27 2008, 10:00 PM |
| Yeha i meant reloaded, but the premise is the same. You can get a bottle of Now Foods Trib for like 9 dollars. Still more cost efficient imho. I've taken Epi, Havoc, Mdrol. Ill be bridging tren xtreme and havoc soon. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Mar 27 2008, 10:01 PM |
| here you go.. http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=2480 |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 27 2008, 11:26 PM |
| Just checked my stash and it turns out I've already got like 1/3 of a bottle of Tribulus...score! |
| Posted by: DownTown Mar 28 2008, 07:14 AM |
| trib has been disproven as a test booster. 6 Bromo products work better. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 29 2008, 12:39 AM |
| Alright...I might start this tomorrow. Here's the info: 27yrs old, 6' 7'', 250lbs...somewhere between 15-19%BF guesstimate. Gonna keep it simple on both sides...staying 10-30mg Epistane per day and 1-3 caps Methoxy TST per day for 4 weeks or so, maybe 5 if it's going really well. Milk Thistle is on hand. Will try to pick up Taurine this weekend. |
| Posted by: bubbachew Mar 29 2008, 11:28 AM |
| If you're going to use milk thistle on cycle, one should start it a week before the cycle starts because it takes a while for it to kick in. I don't know what you meant by having it "on hand"...were you going to wait to see if a problem developed? if so, by then, it's too late... and they say epistane is very mild, but a 17aa steroid is a 17aa steroid, and it is going to put stress on the liver |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 29 2008, 12:14 PM | ||
Just meant I've got it already...was going to start it along with the Epi/Methoxy. I don't feel like waiting another week to start the cycle. Would it be a terrible idea to just start the Milk Thistle at the same time as the cycle? Gonna start low doses of Epi and increase gradually. Was gonna cut out booze too, lol. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 29 2008, 07:52 PM |
| OK, so I already lifted today and tomorrow's a scheduled off day, so I might as well start on Monday...will give me a couple days to get some Milk Thistle in, pre-cycle. Tentative plans...(open to suggestion) Week 1: 2 pills/day Week 2: 2 pills/day Week 3: 3 pills/day Week 4: 3 pills/day Week 5: 2 pills/day That goes for Epistane and Methoxy TST...gonna dose em both the same way. If I'm not having fun with it, I might cut it down to a 4 week cycle, will play it by ear. I've got nolva for PCT, but the dropper isn't marked, so I'm not sure what the dosage is. Any suggestions for dosing? Otherwise, I'm just gonna take one squirt under the tongue everyday for a month, lol. |
| Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 29 2008, 07:53 PM |
| Oh shit... The quest for being more jacked and tan is on!!! |
| Posted by: Cdubya Mar 29 2008, 08:09 PM | ||
Yeah J-dub I have the same dropper I'm guessing, it sucks. A full dropper of mine is 25mg so I just have to go from there with sort of an educated guess.. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 29 2008, 08:14 PM | ||
CTD? |
| Posted by: bubbachew Mar 29 2008, 08:49 PM | ||||
it's just recommended that one starts milk thistle a week before the cycle starts...NAC is a good supporting supplement for the liver too...it kicks in right away I, myself, take 1gram of milk thistle every day year-round. Good luck on your cycle though...and are you getting bloody work done |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 29 2008, 08:53 PM | ||
 Wasn't planning to do bloodwork. Thanks for the advices bubba. Gonna wind up getting 2-3 days of Milk Thistle in before I start my cycle. |
| Posted by: bubbachew Mar 29 2008, 09:05 PM | ||||
haha, yeah, realized i typed "bloody work" after i had posted. ah well Keep us posted on the results on your cycle. good luck |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 30 2008, 10:07 PM |
| Goin for it tomorrow...gonna just take 1 cap of each around lunch time. Lifting back/biceps around 5:30pm. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Mar 30 2008, 10:09 PM | ||
good luck bro |
| Posted by: Mike81203 Mar 30 2008, 10:50 PM |
| maybe you should stick to 3 or 4/day since your 250 lbs.. im only 210ish and felt great on 3-4. im running mine: week 1: 20mg week 2-4: 40mg |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 31 2008, 12:03 AM | ||
Might as well go balls out, sounds good to me. You stacking your Epi with anything? |
| Posted by: ANIMAL333 Mar 31 2008, 01:34 AM |
| There is no need to taper at the end. Given that your 250 pounds (I think), I would suggest keeping the Epi doasge at 40mg throughout |
| Posted by: Mike81203 Mar 31 2008, 08:32 AM |
| no i didnt stack it with anything. i plan to start my havoc either today or next monday |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 31 2008, 09:13 AM |
| Thanks for the advices fellas. Sounds like I can dose the Epistane a bit higher than I thought. Only gonna pop 20mg today (first day) and will keep y'all posted. Plan to take 1 or 2 Methoxy TST today as well. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Mar 31 2008, 03:55 PM |
| try this... week 1... days 1-3 dose at 20mg. week 1... days 3-5 dose at 30mg. week 1... days 6-7 dose at 40mg. (each pill is 10mg) Take them spread out throughout the day. IE - day's 1-3 one in the morning, one in the afternoon, days 3-5... dose 1 in the morning, 1 in the afternoon, 1 in the evening. @ 40mg, dose 1 in the morning, 2 preworkout, 1 in the evening. weeks 2-4 or whatever you're running just keep at 40mg, and increase it if you feel you need to. Gains should come in weeks 2/3 and taper off at the end of week 3/into 4. from my understanding of this particular chemical it has a somewhat short half life. You will want a steady amount, hence the dosing schedule. Hope that helps. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Mar 31 2008, 04:05 PM |
| As far as stacking, Epi has a leaning effect, so a good non hormonal stackable supplement in my opinion is Anabolic pump. I would run it like this.. Epi Anabolic Pump Real gains (good PWO) + you will need the calories on cycle Creatine (size on is really good, or try Vitargo CGL) Preworkout (Super pump 250 is good, or fast twitch - which has a thermogenic factor) Probolic SR (12 hour casein blended protein keeps you anabolic at bedtime so you stay anabolic) eat 4k calories and run your PH's and you WILL gain lean mass, probably about 8-12lbs if your diet is spot on. Right now im running 4 weeks of Xtreme Tren, then 4 weeks of Havoc. I am stacking them both with Anabolic pump and Aplodan. With my creatine and Preworkout. As of right now i've gained 8lbs and lost 1.5% of BF in 7 days. BUT - this is because i lost 20lbs on a cut. Im still below my normal weight so it's coming back quickly, about a lb a day. Im sure it will slow down as the weeks continue. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 31 2008, 09:30 PM |
| Thanks for the advices Omni! I'm stacking the Epi with Methoxy TST, but will probably follow your advice on the Epi dosage. Might not stay at 40mg for too long though...gotta check how much is left in the bottle, lol. Day 1 is in the books...took 1 Epi and 1 Methoxy mid-morning, and another 1 of each in the afternoon. Had a pretty solid back/bi's workout. (training log in sig) |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 2 2008, 11:56 PM |
| Day 2 and 3 down, and so far...so good. Still at 20mg Epi and 2 caps Methoxy. Moving to 30mg soon, if not tomorrow. No sides yet, but I'm sure I'll break out soon... |
| Posted by: tree33 Apr 3 2008, 07:29 AM |
| 40mg/ed for 8 weeks is how long I ran it, it is pretty mild, I even got up to 60mg a day but the back pumps were just way to painful bumped it back down to 40 and felt great, I only ran the methoxy tst for about 4 weeks. can't wait to see how you get strong and big, if you have a weakness this is the time to put more stress on it and watch it blow up over the next 8 weeks, make your weakness your strength. My weakness was my deadlift and arms I started out with 13in arms and a max deadlift of 365lb after the 8 weeks was over I hade 16.5in arms and I could lift 455 for 3 sets of 4 reps. tree33 |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 3 2008, 08:47 AM |
| how much TST do you have? it's pretty much useless unless you get into the 10-12mg range... i ran it with havoc a year ago at 10mg and it was still pretty mild and seemed to bloat me up more than anything It's pretty androgenic so if it were me, i would just pop 3-4 pre-workout and leave it at that... should give you some aggression and strength in the gym |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 3 2008, 09:10 AM |
| Thanks for the advices Movin_Weight and Tree33. I started with a full bottle of Methoxy and an almost-full bottle of Epi. Sounds almost unanimous that I should be poppin 40mg of the Epi, so I'll work my way up to that and hang there. M_W, thanks for the advice on the Methoxy...I'll try em pre-workout tonight. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 06:34 PM |
| Still at 30mg Epi and 3-4 caps of Methoxy per day. So far, so good. Breaking out a bit on my shoulders, but not too bad. Gonna bump to 40mg Epi on Monday and hang there for a while, see how that goes. |
| Posted by: Eric137638 Apr 6 2008, 12:54 AM |
| my last epi cycle i ran 40mg for 2 weeks did 20/30/40/40, no sides. Havoc is now, today is day 2 @ 20mg. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 6 2008, 12:57 AM | ||
Good luck with the Havoc broski. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 7 2008, 09:12 PM |
| 1st day of 40mg Epi. Not sure if it's a placebo effect or not, but I've been feeling great. Feeling strong and ready to SFW all day. No real change in bodyweight (although I haven't increased my intake too much, if at all) although I am starting to feel a bit stronger in the gym. No noticeable sides thus far. |
| Posted by: OmniRed Apr 8 2008, 11:20 AM |
| how's ur gains so far? |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 8 2008, 09:41 PM | ||
I'm close to 255, started at 250. Haven't increased my food intake much. I'm pretty comfortable in the 245-260 range right now, so I guess I'm recomping more than anything. Feeling very strong though. Lift #'s seem to be up. No sides to speak of yet. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 9 2008, 07:49 PM |
| 40mg Epistane and 4 caps of Methoxy TST per day at this point, gonna stay at this dosage for the next couple weeks. Feeling great, got a "I wanna go to the gym and lift!" mindset everyday. Still no sides. Skin surprisingly clear. Usually I break out whenever I do anything "hardcore" supp related. Awesome! Off day from the gym and I'm kinda drinking a 40oz of OE right now... I'll slam an extra Milk Thistle cap tonight. Back/Bi's/Abs tomorrow! |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 13 2008, 02:54 AM |
| Getting pretty strong, especially my back. Breaking out some on shoulders, chest. Not awful, but noticeable. In the 250-255lb range depending on the day and time. Boozed some tonight. Know I'm not supposed to, but it was a seafood BBQ with a keg of Sierra Nevada...what would you've done?  |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 15 2008, 09:52 PM |
| Up to 257 from 249 when I started. Strength is up too. Wife told me that my man juice burns though...hahaha...wasn't expecting that side! Popping 40mg Epi and 4-5 pills Methoxy, both spread throughout the day. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 17 2008, 10:41 PM |
| Bump for yeahshescool......sides have been minimal, if any. Some bacne, shoulders, chest, etc. Not sure if that's even from the PH's though, cuz it happens to me anyway. Been boozing a little (I know, I know) but everything's been feeling fine. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Apr 17 2008, 10:43 PM | ||
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| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 17 2008, 10:46 PM | ||
Been racking the seated row, quad ext and sometimes lat pulldown machines lately. They gotta build bigger ones for Big J-Dub.  |
| Posted by: On3musta Apr 18 2008, 12:49 AM |
| fire man juice i have never heard that one before damn |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 21 2008, 08:33 PM |
| Start of Week 4 Today is a scheduled off day, tomorrow with be shoulders, and whatever else I choose, probalby tri's and abs. So far, sides have been minimal...some breaking out, but not much. Haven't adjusted my diet much, started at 249lbs, now I'm up to 255-257, depending on the day. Gonna increase the calories, carbs, etc and see if I can get up to 260 or 265 by the time it's over. Might run 5 weeks...feel fine right now at the start of Week 4, will do the 5th week if I still feel fine by then. |
| Posted by: goodskie Apr 21 2008, 08:45 PM |
| might need to up the dose a bit week 5. i hear gains stop havoc end of week 3-4 with some. dont get too blubbed |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 21 2008, 08:51 PM | ||
Good call, will bump it up, maybe later this week. Started adding oats to my shakes, gonna try to add a few lbs toward the end here. For PCT, I've got the following stuff on hand...was gonna run some combo of them: Nolva Milk Thistle Taurine Tribulus Leviathan Incarnate Creatine Fenugreek Retain The first 3 I'm definitely using, the rest I'm gonna take some combo of. Advices? |
| Posted by: yeashescool Apr 22 2008, 03:20 PM |
| i only have liimited knowledge on this subject but ill try and help maybe u should wait to run the Levi for a couple months, some say its hard keeping gains as it is coming off, and throwing in a cutting agent might make it even harder, now i dont no how strong the thermogenic properties of LEvi are, so i cant say for sure, its really your call bro Id run the Incinerate, creatine, fenu, trib and the 3 u mentioned for sure, dnt really no what retain is so cant help you on that one How do you usually dose the Taurine? i get wickkkkeedd back pumps when doin pull ups, hurts so bad, i dnt run anything that would trigger them either, i just picked up sum mega taurine caps, and take a gram pre WO and one upon waking with my breakfast shake |
| Posted by: DownTown Apr 22 2008, 05:20 PM |
| For your pct i would use, Nolva ( of course) Leviathan, Retain, Fenugreek and the creatine and incarite will just help u keep gaining so throw that in there. And then just all the standard supports. You can build muscle on Leviathan, and it will help you get un blubbed. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 22 2008, 08:51 PM |
| Thanks for the advices guys. I'm not worried about losing LBM on Leviathan, so I may run that, since it's got Trib in it anyway. yeahshescool...I take 1 Taurine cap with breakfast and 1 more with lunch or dinner. Guess who weighed in at 260lbs? THIS GUY!!!!!! Lovin this cycle...feel great, wanna work out all day! |
| Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 22 2008, 09:10 PM |
| looks like everythings goin good for ya playerrrr... I ran havoc for 5 weeks the first time and didn't get much out of the 5th week even at 60mg But if your still gainin by the end of week 4 then i'd say give it a go |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 23 2008, 09:31 PM |
| Just realized I might not have enough Epi/Methoxy to run a full 5th week at 40mg or 50mg, so I'm gonna play it by ear...maybe end it after Week 4, or keep it going a few more days after. Before I end the cycle and start my Nolva, should I taper down for a couple days, to 30mg or 20mg? Or should I go straight from 40-50mg into my PCT the next day? |
| Posted by: yeashescool Apr 25 2008, 07:16 AM |
| you ever feel shutdown on this? loss of sex drive? the boys shrinking? |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 25 2008, 09:28 AM | ||
None of the above. Feelin fine, libido is normal, boys seem the same. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 26 2008, 12:24 PM |
| Ran out of Epi, so I'm starting my Nolva today. Worked out pretty well, went exactly 4 weeks. Weight fluctuates a lot, but I'm 255-258, lookin pretty good, feelin pretty strong. Will keep y'all posted on how PCT goes. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 29 2008, 11:57 PM |
| Day 3 of PCT. Had a semi-shitty workout today, so I'm hoping that's just coincidence...all mental most likely. I've still got gains I wanna make. |
| Posted by: Will109090 Apr 30 2008, 12:40 AM |
| If you were trying to gain mass, remember to keep your calories high during PCT. |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops May 7 2008, 10:01 PM |
| PCT is going OK. No complaints really. Couple more weeks till I'm done and onto the next stack. |
| Posted by: Will109090 May 8 2008, 12:15 AM |
| When you say next stack, you don't mean another PH run, do you? |
| Posted by: JW32Hoops May 8 2008, 12:39 AM | ||
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