ArnoldClones Havoc Log

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Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 23 2008, 09:41 AM

So I began My Havoc cycle yesterday (3/22)

Days 1-4-20mg
Days 4-remainder-30 mg (Unless you guys recomend differently.)

Cycle Support during cycle (which by the way tastes and smells like ass)

Nolva and Tribulus for PCT, hope to also pick up some Eform towards the end.

As far as this journal goes, dont expect full workout routines to be listed, for thats too much of a pain in the ass and unnecessary, plus I dont like to share secrets

But for the record, I will be lifting heavy for the normal rep range. Except on Deads day in which I do 5x5, along with some cleans.

For the most part will be a clean bulk, for Im looking to put on some mass here.
I will update here n there my body weight, and maybe some measurements. Also, I will try n answer any questions you guys may have..

Im also curious as to what you recomend once my cyle is done to keep my gains, as in which supps to run, maybe some creatine? Something more?

Posted by: typeRob Mar 23 2008, 02:17 PM

so youre using havoc to kickstart your gear cycle right? i remember you mentioning test and EQ.....

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 23 2008, 02:26 PM

QUOTE (typeRob @ Mar 23 2008, 02:17 PM)

so youre using havoc to kickstart your gear cycle right? i remember you mentioning test and EQ.....

no no, just Havoc right now.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 24 2008, 01:21 PM

Allright so first workout since starting, and it was a chest and tris day of no buenoness. For those who have run havoc, did you experience any lethargy? I just feel like crap today, even off of 8 hours of sleep. Just could nt really get goin n felt weak at the same time.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 25 2008, 01:52 PM

Ok boys so today was a different day, a complete 180 from yesterday. Did legs and Endurance was good, nothing unsual. Strength was much improved, specially on ham curls. I felt my squats could have been much improved if it wasnt for some pretty decent sized lower back pumps. Backs still a lil sore from doin deads, so squats dont help that cause much.

As far as a pump went, UNREAL. I warmed up on the upright bike for 5 min, and they were swole from this alone! There were times where I had to stop the pumps were becoming painful, both my quads and hams were very full.

Im startin to get excited cause my weights up a couple pounds (mostly from the eating Im thinkin) and tomorrow I jump to 30mgs a day.

Heres a rough outline of my workout...

Squats
135x10
185x5
225x5
225x5
275x5 (partials)
295x5 (partials)

Leg Press (2 sets, lower back was on fire, so I bailed)
200x10
400x8

Extensions
75x5
100x5
125x5
150x5
175x3

Curls
80x10
100x5
120x5
130x5
80x10

Then did some plyos for Calves

Posted by: Wes154619 Mar 25 2008, 02:45 PM

Hey how are you dosing the havoc, like at what time of the day will you be taking it?

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Mar 25 2008, 03:15 PM

it only gets better

I'm on day 9 at 30mg and pumps are so intense i can't even jog on the treadmil... my calfs get so pumped i have to just walk

i'm cutting tho and on clen so strength and endurance is down slightly, but you should see some sick strength gains within the next week or so

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 25 2008, 05:38 PM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 25 2008, 03:15 PM)

it only gets better

hoooo Snap!

Cant wait!

As far as dosing goes, once apon wakeup, and the other is early evening. Thats at 20mg though, so for 30 will be a triple split, more or less, breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 25 2008, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 25 2008, 03:15 PM)

it only gets better

Let me know if those stubborn calves go anywhere! lol, mine too, are small and very...very stubborn.

Posted by: goodskie Mar 25 2008, 06:42 PM

if u have a bottle then just use the whole thing for your cycle. somthing like 20,30,40,50. that'll be about a day and a half short of 4 weeks.

gains start to slow so i suggest ramping the dose each week. havoc is mild so u can dose it high

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 25 2008, 06:57 PM

QUOTE (goodskie @ Mar 25 2008, 06:42 PM)

cept for the common hairloss above 40mgs.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 26 2008, 01:13 PM

Another solid day, energy wasnt great and Im unsure why. Its almost as if Im not motivated. Maybe its cause I was stuck in a rut for so long and am waitin for this shit to trully kick in/see gains to get me amped again.

But Did back and Bis and ended up being a pretty good day...

Wide pullups
3 sets of 8-10

Close Grip Pullups
3 sets of 6-10

T Bar Rows (# of plates)
2x12
3x10
4x10
5x6
3x8

Bentover Rows
135x3x10-12

Lat Pulldown Machine, Plate Loaded
2 plates x12
2 plates x10
140x10

Rear Cable Flys Supersetted with lateral machine
3 sets each

Pump really kicked in after doing the Rear flys, and again had a super lower back pump, from the Tbar Rows and BO Rows. Gonna have to change somethings up to prevent these in the future. Since Ive started eating more, prob 1 1/2-2 weeks into that, and the beginning of my cycle, 3/22, my bodyweight is up 5 pounds. There is an increase in bodyfat, which is expected with the extra cals, but I dont give a fuck. Just get me bigger.

Also, vascularity is up. Had small veins running along the top of my forearms, which is new, and the roadmap of the rest on the inside were def saying hi.

Posted by: Chris25533 Mar 26 2008, 01:39 PM

Pick up some taurine for the back pumps. It will help you out some. I'm definately interested in seeing how your log goes. I'm starting a jungle warfare cycle tomorrow and have been kicking the idea around of running havoc before summer time but who knows. I've already did a phera cycle and theres no sense in running havoc if it won't produce more gains then the sides.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 27 2008, 12:54 PM

Wanted to take the day off, but a shitty day at work had me needing to let off some agression n stress. Ended up doing shoulders n a lil bit of tris since they pumped up at the same time and it was great! Awesome energy and stamina and the pump was brilliant.

DB Press
30x25
40x10
50x10
60x5

Plate Loaded Press
140x10
180 x5
200x5
135x6 (facing opposite direction)

Strait Bar Upright rows
70x10
80x10
80x10

Front Raises (knuckles up)
30x6
35x5
30x6

Plate Loaded Shrug machine
2 Plates x 10 with wide grip
2 plates x10 with Wide Grip
3 plates x8 Wide
2 plates x6 Wide
followed by...
2 sets of roped shrugs

Wide grip Pressdowns using Late Pull down bar
60x10
75x10
67.5x10

karate Chop Pressdowns (using thumbs as hooks on strait bar, palms facing each other)
30x10
40x10
50x10
60x10

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 30 2008, 11:22 PM

Took the weekend off, smoke and ate a shitload. Was so bloated all weekend..Not sure what Im hittin tomorrow. Im starting to feel good, fuller feeling/lookin. Since I started my clean bulk (2 weeks ago, and 1 week on havoc) Im up bout 6-7 pounds. slight bf increase but still lean. Im debatin on saying fuck it, and go for 200 lbs.

Posted by: dsade Mar 31 2008, 10:48 AM

Except for this last weekend, looks like you have a solid cycle going with a well-planned out PCT.

Looking good.

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Mar 31 2008, 12:06 PM

lookin good bro, i'm on day 15 and bumpin to 40mg today

My first week on clen wen't well too... I'v been off clen for 3 days and i'm back at my starting weight (216lbs) and about 1.5% less bodyfat

I'm hopeing to ad a pound or 2 of muscle in the next week and then get back on clen for the final week

Pumps have been good, libido is up, strength is about the same

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 31 2008, 01:49 PM

Its Official, This Stuff Has Kicked In!

My god what a workout! As has been the trend lately, I felt lethargic upon waking up and up untill my workout. Was up till 330am last night with an 845 wakeup, so I was lil bummin thinkin my workout would suck. Dam was I wrong!

I kinda had a freestyle day and ended up doin Chest and Arms. As for a workout plan, I didnt really have one, it was kind of one of those feel my workout as I go along and do whats feelin good for today.

Well besides feelin lethargic, the stamina was great and the pump was like nothing Ive ever felt. I couldnt even pinch the skin on my arms, and the comments were starting to fly from other members in the gym, for my appearence was very noticable. I was almost laughing at myself in the mirror as to how rediculous it was.

As of last night all my measurements were up .5", but this could also be in part to a very carb generous weekend, so I will do them again tonight and we will see. As far as my weight, Im up 8lbs since the start of my bulk. (2 weeks in, 8 of those days being Havoc)...

Ill post back later with the measurement deal.

As far as pics I got nothin, for a comparison and prob wont till the end, my avatar is from when I was about 164-165ish. Right now Im 180 more or less with a slight increase in BF. Im really hopin to hit 190 come mid May, round the time of my Bday.

Posted by: Kevin43403 Mar 31 2008, 05:24 PM

How tall are you?

Posted by: Arnoldclone Mar 31 2008, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Kevin43403 @ Mar 31 2008, 05:24 PM)

How tall are you?

5 10

Posted by: ShakesAllDay Mar 31 2008, 05:54 PM

Glad to hear you are enjoying the havoc. But, don't discount a post carb binging weekend. I was up 5 pounds this morning (after a high -carb weekend) and looked HYOOGE in the mirror. It's awesome!

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 1 2008, 12:56 PM

Leg Day!

Squats
135x10
185x5
225x5
260x5 +35
275x5 Full reps this time, not partials
315x5 (partials) +25

Leg Press
200x10
400x10
500x5
500x5

Extensions
80x5 +5
105x5 +5
130x5 +5
155x5 +5
180x5 +5

Curls
90x10 +10
110x5 +10
130x5 +10
130x5 +10

Strait legged Deadlifts (Hams wanted more)
95x15
115x15
135x15

Was overall a good day, pump was moderate, but strength and stamina were great. Im happy with the increses I made specially on squats. Thats my one thing I wanna get up.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 3 2008, 01:12 PM

Quick update boys. Did Arms and Shoudlers and was a good day. Woke up feelin like I was gettin sick so I was a lil rundown. Workout was good, good stamina again, and pump was good. Specially warmin up on the tread, pump was actually unbareable when running. Weight numbers stayed the same comparitively, if thats a word, to last weeks. BodyWeight is still slowly climbin and people are startin to take notice so overall Im very happy with the results so far and still am only half way through Id say, if that. More to come...

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 4 2008, 04:44 PM

Back and Bis Today, very similar to my previous back and bi workout. Felt good. Still having issues with my lower back, so that held me back a lil on deadlifts and Tbar Rows. But pump was awesome, looked very full today. Very Happy with the weeks end. Most likely off for the weekend, back on Monday.

Posted by: stxnas Apr 4 2008, 05:33 PM

I found it! Good luck with your cycle and check your PMs

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 7 2008, 08:06 AM

So I weighed in at 187-188 this mornin. So much for my 190 goal come mid May.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 7 2008, 02:05 PM

Back and Bis day, wanted to do chest and tris but my left delt was buggin me a lil.

Seated Row
110x15
150x12
175x10
205x8

LatPull Down Machine
Same numbers as last week.

BO Row (lower Back Pumps AGAIN!)
135x10
155x12
155x10

Wide Grip Pulldown
3 sets at moderate weight

Rear Flys
3 sets on cable system

Strait Bar Curls
85x10
95x8
95x8
65x12

HammerBar Curls
85x10
95x8
95x4

HighPulley Curls
30x12
40x10
45x8
25x12

Various Shrugs

Pumps were intense, specially my forearms. Barely able to flex em. To the point where everything was pumped, specially my tris. So an overall awesome "full" feeling.

Lately Ive been warmin up on the treadmill for 10-15 mins, but the calve pumps have been so intense ive lasted bout 7-8 mins.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 8 2008, 08:22 AM

So I got 44 Pills left. Ive put aside 14, for a 1 week 20 mg a day run to taper down with. Which leaves me with 30 that I think I will run for the next 10 days at 30 mg a day. So if this is the case, this will take me to the 24th, in which I will begin my pct. I also think Im gonna add ZMA and BCAAs to go along side Nolva, and Trib.

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 8 2008, 10:10 PM

don't taper bro... completely un-neccessary! 40mg is the sweet spot! once again i stayed at 30mg for too long and once i got to 40mg it was like DAMN!

i only have 3 days left and i'm pissed cuz strength has really gone up this last week... i'm tempted to get another bottle and run it another 10 days but i'm just gonna hit PCT and prob run another cycle in a couple months

If i were you i'd run the last 11 days at 40mg and then jump on PCT... you'll love it! no sides either

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 9 2008, 09:12 AM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 8 2008, 10:10 PM)

Really? Im being highly advised to taper so you build less of a dependecy therefore your body wont be relying on it as much.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 9 2008, 09:26 AM

Ended up doing legs yesterday , awesome pump and energy, but again lower back issues shortned it somewhat. Ended up having to finish off with low weight and high reps for curls and extensions, which in turn turned out great!

Squats
135x10
225x5
275x5
295x5 Spotted
315x3 Spotted
335x3 (partials)

Press
400x5
400x12
400x10

Then finished off with 4 sets of high rep lower weight on Extensions and Curls. But my legs are sore today, and were crazy swole and hard last night, loved it. This is where Im making my biggest gains, is in my upper legs. Size and strength wise.

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 9 2008, 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Apr 9 2008, 09:12 AM)

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 8 2008, 10:10 PM)

Really? Im being highly advised to taper so you build less of a dependecy therefore your body wont be relying on it as much.

who's telling you that? all your doing is wasting a week's worth of gains... the compound will take roughly a week to slowly diminish completely from your system once you stop dosing... so there is no need to taper

Plus your natural testosterone production is shut down, so it's not taking a lower dose will have any effect on that

This is your first cycle bro, i'm tellin you bump to 40mg for the last 10 days... you'll prob put on another 5lbs easy

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 9 2008, 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Apr 9 2008, 09:12 AM)

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 8 2008, 10:10 PM)

Really? Im being highly advised to taper so you build less of a dependecy therefore your body wont be relying on it as much.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 9 2008, 01:04 PM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 9 2008, 12:39 PM)

QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Apr 9 2008, 09:12 AM)

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 8 2008, 10:10 PM)

Really? Im being highly advised to taper so you build less of a dependecy therefore your body wont be relying on it as much.

Ok, well I just ordered my Nolva today, so if that can get here in time, ill jump to 40.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 10 2008, 08:50 AM

Ive forgot to mention but recovery on this shit has been great. My legs are usually sore all week, and now its a day or two tops. Also, I dunno if its the Havoc somehow or some other placebo affect, but I personally feel great. I'm usually a more edgy/anxious person, but Ive seemed more calmed down lately. Almost as if my blood pressure is lower.

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 10 2008, 10:39 AM

steroids reduce the amount of cortisol that circulates in the blood stream which can give a calming effect... and the increase in androgens is what causes the feeling of well being

It's why some pple feel anxious, nervous, depressed ect... when they come off cycle, and is a big reason i use a cortisol blocker as well. Otherwies i'll feel strung out and stressed as hell for weeks after my cycle

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 10 2008, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 10 2008, 10:39 AM)

Good to know, which cortisol blocker do you use?

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 10 2008, 09:07 PM

i like lean xtreme personally... i'v used it several times and had good results with it

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 12 2008, 10:38 AM

So Im pretty sure my libido has crashed lol. At frist I didnt think much of it, but I have noticed it over the last few days. Find theres no sex drive with my girl unless direct contact has insued and forget about jo, I havent cared to do it at all lol. So, Im looking foward to getting that back...Does anyone know how long IR takes to ship out their products?

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 12 2008, 11:19 AM

i got mine within 3-4 days... yeah bro my libido is done too, it was actually high for the first 2 weeks but has crashed since then

I'm starting PCT tomorrow

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 13 2008, 10:24 AM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 12 2008, 11:19 AM)

i got mine within 3-4 days... yeah bro my libido is done too, it was actually high for the first 2 weeks but has crashed since then

I'm starting PCT tomorrow

Good to know your in the same boat and it isnt just me lol. GFs gettin pissed lol, n so am I when he feels useless.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 13 2008, 03:00 PM

When will it be safe, once PCT has started, to drink again?

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 13 2008, 05:25 PM

your call really... sum pple will tell you wait till after PCT and that nolva is toxic blah blah blah

Personally i'v had bloodwork done after drinking a couple times during PCT and liver enzymes were still in normal range... havoc isn't nearly as hepatoxic as some of the other methyl out there

I'd say after a week or two into PCT you'd be in the clear... just pop a few extra milk thistle pills and you'll be fine, but keep it in line... don't get shit faced

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 15 2008, 09:19 PM

Sorry for the lack of updates. Been a busy mofo, heres a up to date pic to give you something...Stats are what the sig says.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 15 2008, 10:09 PM

Still Holding at decently lean. This is the fatest Ive been in a while and I plan on runnin with it all summer, Bulking wise.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 15 2008, 10:12 PM

The wheels have much improved. I could lose all my gains except my legs when Im off and be happy, cuase Ive made alot of gains on my legs and Im preayyyin they hold. They have been my main focus for almost a year now.

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 15 2008, 10:13 PM

lookin thick, and still lean too... much better than your avy... lol except the fact that ur pale as fuck

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 15 2008, 10:13 PM

Lookin great AC! Don't worry about being "the fattest you've been in a while"...you look WAY leaner than most folks...way leaner than most folks who work out even.

I say, keep bulking...it's more fun.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 16 2008, 07:43 AM

QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 15 2008, 10:13 PM)

I say, keep bulking...it's more fun.

Agreed!

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 16 2008, 07:39 PM

good job bro u sure ur 10-11% bf ? you look a little leaner...or is your abs really well developed....good job man keep bulking....

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 16 2008, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 16 2008, 07:39 PM)

good job bro u sure ur 10-11% bf ? you look a little leaner...or is your abs really well developed....good job man keep bulking....

Thanks man, but I highly doubt Im below 11. My abs are infact very developed n thats most likely why you think so.

Posted by: stxnas Apr 16 2008, 10:44 PM

Please clean out your PMs and shoot me your shipping address...you've been selected to run STOKED!

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 17 2008, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (stxnas @ Apr 16 2008, 10:44 PM)

Please clean out your PMs and shoot me your shipping address...you've been selected to run STOKED!

Hey, may be a stupid question, but this seems to be the same as a SERM. Do I run this instead or should I do both?

Posted by: stxnas Apr 17 2008, 10:19 AM

Not a stupid question at all.

If I had both, I would run both, but I tend to err on the side of caution...especially if you're able to obtain more SERMs in the future.

A lot of guys ARE using POST Cycle Support /STOKED! as their pct, but I personally wouldn't suggest this for ALL anabolics.

The less suppressive anabolics seem to be great candidates for this though: IE, Havoc and the epithio clones or something like Halodrol. You get the idea.

It's your call though. A lot of guys who are using STOKED! for pct are adding a product containing 6-bromo or 4-etioallocholen-3, 6, 17-trione (6-oxo) around weeks three or four and running it for a few weeks. This helps avoid any estrogen rebound and acts like a bridge between cycles.

Posted by: yeashescool Apr 17 2008, 03:08 PM

look swoll bro, still looking decently lean....

hit the tanning bed..........

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 18 2008, 09:13 AM

QUOTE (yeashescool @ Apr 17 2008, 03:08 PM)

look swoll bro, still looking decently lean....

hit the tanning bed..........

ehh Ive accepted being white. Not worth the long term risks and money tanning. Ill just pick up some color over the summer.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 18 2008, 01:35 PM

I ended up just staying at 30mgs due to my nolva shipping late, if its even been shipped yet, gettin pissed off with IR. But Things are still goin up, weighed in at 194 the last two days, and the strength and energy/stamina are still there.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 19 2008, 10:42 PM

Just one side effect folks! Libido is at rock bottom lol. Gfs pissed and it sucks but just about done. I elected to stay at 30 for two reasons, nolva was no where to be found, then it arrived with out an announcement on friday so that was good, and some past injuries were buggin me a lil and Ive put on 20 lbs through a bulk, so I hae no reason to get greedy what so ever. So I elected to play it safe so I didnt cripple myself towards the end of my cycle, risking losing alot more gains.

And something Im unsure about is lowerback pumps. I wanna say the Havoc coulda done it, but at the same time it may have been from "learning" how to deadlift, so at first my worm wasnt perfect and I was pulling too much with my lowerback and ended up irritating it a lil bit. So that has carried on and it gets all agggrivated when I do Bent over stuff, squats ect. So Im gonna see how that goes during pct, and if still no Ill avoid squats and anything bent over giving it as much rest as i can. And if all clears up, Havoc could be to blame. We will see. I hope this all makes sense, Im pretty high right now.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 23 2008, 01:10 PM

Last day was today, will begin my PCT tomorrow...
Will start with...

Nolva 60/40/20/20
ZMA
Tribulus (recomended daily amount?)
Vanadyl Sulfate-30 mgs daily, 10/10/10 split.

Within the week will add Stoked, and some Kre-akylin to hopefully keep my strength up a lil, and colories will still be as much as I can eat. Tons of water will continue, and PW intake will continue to be a weight gainer. Have been using Metrx Size Up for the last month, and love it.

Im verrrrrry curious to see how the next few weeks ago, for some reason Im convinced I will shrink back down lol.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 23 2008, 01:11 PM

Yo Movinweight, how are things goin? Libido back yet? lol I think my chicks about to pull a Lorena bobitt

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 23 2008, 01:29 PM

i'm about day 10 into PCT and libido is muuuuch better... not 100% yet, but i can get the job done no prob

I'm actually up a pound or 2 from when i came off and still seem to be looking leaner... could be the creatine I added at the start of PCT

I don't think you'll have any problems holding onto the weight you gained... you may lose a couple lbs of glycogen, but other than that you should be good if you keep t he calories high

Creatine will help, and maybe even somethin like Drive or another natty test booster could help with keeping gains, and in the libido department

I'm testing RPM/Drive in the product testers forum so you can check up on how things are goin there

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 23 2008, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 23 2008, 01:29 PM)

Sounds good man, puts some nerves at ease hearing so. Keep me updated.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 24 2008, 08:41 AM

So began PCT today, weighing in at 199 strait outta bed (before poopage, and before breakfast) Took my first dose of Nolva, and boy is the taste refreshing, the lingering taste is of that similar to licking the ass of a stray cat. Im still waiting on stoked as it should arrive today or tomorrow, and will add that in the next possible morning.

Posted by: stxnas Apr 24 2008, 09:33 PM

Pick up some empty gel caps. Each you dose your nolva just use a dropper and fill the caps with the measured amount...and then pop your nolva caps.

Sorry about the STOKED!, I was sure it would have arrived by now.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 25 2008, 09:08 AM

Hit the 200lb mark today! I usually wait to see if I weight in at least 2 days in a row but F it. So thats a solid 20-25lbs Ive put on since I began.

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 28 2008, 01:10 PM

Well since this is over, I suggest following my Stoked log, as that will be my log throughout PCT. Final marks are in

Weight +25lbs
Arms +1"
Legs +1.5"
calves +1"
Chest 42" (stayed the same since I do dont chest)

Posted by: typeRob Apr 28 2008, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ Apr 28 2008, 01:10 PM)

Chest 42" (stayed the same since I do dont chest)

Posted by: MoVin_Weight Apr 28 2008, 03:46 PM

holy shit 25lbs on havoc alone or since you started bulking?

Posted by: goodskie Apr 28 2008, 05:43 PM

you must not do back either then

Posted by: Arnoldclone Apr 29 2008, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (goodskie @ Apr 28 2008, 05:43 PM)

you must not do back either then

Why you figure? My anterior delt on my left side has been actin up lately, and cant do any pressing movements. Pushups alone make me wince. I started bulking 1 week before havoc.

Posted by: Arnoldclone May 4 2008, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 28 2008, 03:46 PM)

holy shit 25lbs on havoc alone or since you started bulking?

Hey whats your latest? Any issues with blood pressure?

Posted by: stxnas May 4 2008, 11:46 PM

Did you ever receive your STOKED!/PCS?

I can't PM you b/c your mail is full. You should have received the bottle at least a week ago.

Thanks,
STX

Posted by: Arnoldclone May 5 2008, 07:58 AM

QUOTE (stxnas @ May 4 2008, 11:46 PM)

Did you ever receive your STOKED!/PCS?

I can't PM you b/c your mail is full. You should have received the bottle at least a week ago.

Thanks,
STX

Yeah I started a log lol. Not much to update though as its more of a progression thing. Have felt as if my bloodpressure has been up lately, libido still seems low. This being the 11th day of pct. Nuts still feel a tad on the smaller side too lol.

I will empty some messages.

Posted by: MoVin_Weight May 5 2008, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (Arnoldclone @ May 4 2008, 09:00 PM)

QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Apr 28 2008, 03:46 PM)

holy shit 25lbs on havoc alone or since you started bulking?

Hey whats your latest? Any issues with blood pressure?

my bp dropped significantly when i came off cycle

when i was on clen and havoc i was hitting 135/68 - 145/72

now i'm back around 108/60 - 112/65

Posted by: Arnoldclone May 9 2008, 07:07 PM

I can safely say Havoc was giving me lower back pumps, very painful ones at time...Round the 30mg mark.

Posted by: arnoldcl0ne Jul 22 2008, 09:38 PM

BUMP