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Movin Weights by the pound
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Posts: 1593
Member No.: 102835
Joined: 13-February 06
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your call really... sum pple will tell you wait till after PCT and that nolva is toxic blah blah blah Personally i'v had bloodwork done after drinking a couple times during PCT and liver enzymes were still in normal range... havoc isn't nearly as hepatoxic as some of the other methyl out there I'd say after a week or two into PCT you'd be in the clear... just pop a few extra milk thistle pills and you'll be fine, but keep it in line... don't get shit faced Current as of 03/08
Weight: 219lbs
Height: 6'1''
Bi's: 18''
Quads: 26''
Calves: 15.5''
Waist: 35''
PR's:
Bench: 335x1
Deads: 405x3
Milit. DB Press: 100's x6
Squat: 315x5
Incline: 275x2
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Newbie
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Member No.: 105864
Joined: 8-March 06
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Not a stupid question at all. If I had both, I would run both, but I tend to err on the side of caution...especially if you're able to obtain more SERMs in the future. A lot of guys ARE using POST Cycle Support /STOKED! as their pct, but I personally wouldn't suggest this for ALL anabolics. The less suppressive anabolics seem to be great candidates for this though: IE, Havoc and the epithio clones or something like Halodrol. You get the idea. It's your call though. A lot of guys who are using STOKED! for pct are adding a product containing 6-bromo or 4-etioallocholen-3, 6, 17-trione ( 6-oxo) around weeks three or four and running it for a few weeks. This helps avoid any estrogen rebound and acts like a bridge between cycles.
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Its time to Party
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Posts: 3527
Member No.: 44395
Joined: 24-September 04
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Just one side effect folks! Libido is at rock bottom lol. Gfs pissed and it sucks but just about done. I elected to stay at 30 for two reasons, nolva was no where to be found, then it arrived with out an announcement on friday so that was good, and some past injuries were buggin me a lil and Ive put on 20 lbs through a bulk, so I hae no reason to get greedy what so ever. So I elected to play it safe so I didnt cripple myself towards the end of my cycle, risking losing alot more gains. And something Im unsure about is lowerback pumps. I wanna say the Havoc coulda done it, but at the same time it may have been from "learning" how to deadlift, so at first my worm wasnt perfect and I was pulling too much with my lowerback and ended up irritating it a lil bit. So that has carried on and it gets all agggrivated when I do Bent over stuff, squats ect. So Im gonna see how that goes during pct, and if still no Ill avoid squats and anything bent over giving it as much rest as i can. And if all clears up, Havoc could be to blame. We will see. I hope this all makes sense, Im pretty high right now. 
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Its time to Party
Group: Advanced Members
Posts: 3527
Member No.: 44395
Joined: 24-September 04
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Last day was today, will begin my PCT tomorrow... Will start with... Nolva 60/40/20/20 ZMATribulus (recomended daily amount?) Vanadyl Sulfate-30 mgs daily, 10/10/10 split. Within the week will add Stoked, and some Kre-akylin to hopefully keep my strength up a lil, and colories will still be as much as I can eat. Tons of water will continue, and PW intake will continue to be a weight gainer. Have been using Metrx Size Up for the last month, and love it. Im verrrrrry curious to see how the next few weeks ago, for some reason Im convinced I will shrink back down lol.
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