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> ArnoldClones Havoc Log, 3/22/08
Posted: Mar 23 2008, 09:41 AM
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So I began My Havoc cycle yesterday (3/22)

Days 1-4-20mg
Days 4-remainder-30 mg (Unless you guys recomend differently.)

Cycle Support during cycle (which by the way tastes and smells like ass)

Nolva and Tribulus for PCT, hope to also pick up some Eform towards the end.

As far as this journal goes, dont expect full workout routines to be listed, for thats too much of a pain in the ass and unnecessary, plus I dont like to share secrets wink.gif But for the record, I will be lifting heavy for the normal rep range. Except on Deads day in which I do 5x5, along with some cleans.

For the most part will be a clean bulk, for Im looking to put on some mass here.
I will update here n there my body weight, and maybe some measurements. Also, I will try n answer any questions you guys may have..

Im also curious as to what you recomend once my cyle is done to keep my gains, as in which supps to run, maybe some creatine? Something more?

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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 02:17 PM
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so youre using havoc to kickstart your gear cycle right? i remember you mentioning test and EQ.....

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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (typeRob @ Mar 23 2008, 02:17 PM)
so youre using havoc to kickstart your gear cycle right? i remember you mentioning test and EQ.....

no no, just Havoc right now.

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Posted: Mar 24 2008, 01:21 PM
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Allright so first workout since starting, and it was a chest and tris day of no buenoness. For those who have run havoc, did you experience any lethargy? I just feel like crap today, even off of 8 hours of sleep. Just could nt really get goin n felt weak at the same time.

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Posted: Mar 25 2008, 01:52 PM
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Ok boys so today was a different day, a complete 180 from yesterday. Did legs and Endurance was good, nothing unsual. Strength was much improved, specially on ham curls. I felt my squats could have been much improved if it wasnt for some pretty decent sized lower back pumps. Backs still a lil sore from doin deads, so squats dont help that cause much.

As far as a pump went, UNREAL. I warmed up on the upright bike for 5 min, and they were swole from this alone! There were times where I had to stop the pumps were becoming painful, both my quads and hams were very full.

Im startin to get excited cause my weights up a couple pounds (mostly from the eating Im thinkin) and tomorrow I jump to 30mgs a day.

Heres a rough outline of my workout...

Squats
135x10
185x5
225x5
225x5
275x5 (partials)
295x5 (partials)

Leg Press (2 sets, lower back was on fire, so I bailed)
200x10
400x8

Extensions
75x5
100x5
125x5
150x5
175x3

Curls
80x10
100x5
120x5
130x5
80x10

Then did some plyos for Calves

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Posted: Mar 25 2008, 02:45 PM
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Hey how are you dosing the havoc, like at what time of the day will you be taking it?

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Weight: 200
Max Bench: 295 x 3
Max Squat: 365 x 5
Max Deadlift:405 x 2
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Posted: Mar 25 2008, 03:15 PM
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it only gets better biggrin.gif I'm on day 9 at 30mg and pumps are so intense i can't even jog on the treadmil... my calfs get so pumped i have to just walk

i'm cutting tho and on clen so strength and endurance is down slightly, but you should see some sick strength gains within the next week or so

Current as of 03/08
Weight: 219lbs
Height: 6'1''
Bi's: 18''
Quads: 26''
Calves: 15.5''
Waist: 35''

PR's:
Bench: 335x1
Deads: 405x3
Milit. DB Press: 100's x6
Squat: 315x5
Incline: 275x2
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Posted: Mar 25 2008, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 25 2008, 03:15 PM)
it only gets better biggrin.gif I'm on day 9 at 30mg and pumps are so intense i can't even jog on the treadmil... my calfs get so pumped i have to just walk

i'm cutting tho and on clen so strength and endurance is down slightly, but you should see some sick strength gains within the next week or so

hoooo Snap! biggrin.gif Cant wait!


As far as dosing goes, once apon wakeup, and the other is early evening. Thats at 20mg though, so for 30 will be a triple split, more or less, breakfast, lunch and dinner.

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Posted: Mar 25 2008, 05:41 PM
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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 25 2008, 03:15 PM)
it only gets better biggrin.gif I'm on day 9 at 30mg and pumps are so intense i can't even jog on the treadmil... my calfs get so pumped i have to just walk

i'm cutting tho and on clen so strength and endurance is down slightly, but you should see some sick strength gains within the next week or so

Let me know if those stubborn calves go anywhere! lol, mine too, are small and very...very stubborn. mad.gif

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Posted: Mar 25 2008, 06:42 PM
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if u have a bottle then just use the whole thing for your cycle. somthing like 20,30,40,50. that'll be about a day and a half short of 4 weeks.

gains start to slow so i suggest ramping the dose each week. havoc is mild so u can dose it high

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Posted: Mar 25 2008, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE (goodskie @ Mar 25 2008, 06:42 PM)
if u have a bottle then just use the whole thing for your cycle. somthing like 20,30,40,50. that'll be about a day and a half short of 4 weeks.

gains start to slow so i suggest ramping the dose each week. havoc is mild so u can dose it high

cept for the common hairloss above 40mgs.

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Posted: Mar 26 2008, 01:13 PM
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Another solid day, energy wasnt great and Im unsure why. Its almost as if Im not motivated. Maybe its cause I was stuck in a rut for so long and am waitin for this shit to trully kick in/see gains to get me amped again.

But Did back and Bis and ended up being a pretty good day...

Wide pullups
3 sets of 8-10

Close Grip Pullups
3 sets of 6-10

T Bar Rows (# of plates)
2x12
3x10
4x10
5x6
3x8

Bentover Rows
135x3x10-12

Lat Pulldown Machine, Plate Loaded
2 plates x12
2 plates x10
140x10

Rear Cable Flys Supersetted with lateral machine
3 sets each

Pump really kicked in after doing the Rear flys, and again had a super lower back pump, from the Tbar Rows and BO Rows. Gonna have to change somethings up to prevent these in the future. Since Ive started eating more, prob 1 1/2-2 weeks into that, and the beginning of my cycle, 3/22, my bodyweight is up 5 pounds. There is an increase in bodyfat, which is expected with the extra cals, but I dont give a fuck. Just get me bigger.

Also, vascularity is up. Had small veins running along the top of my forearms, which is new, and the roadmap of the rest on the inside were def saying hi.

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Posted: Mar 26 2008, 01:39 PM
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Pick up some taurine for the back pumps. It will help you out some. I'm definately interested in seeing how your log goes. I'm starting a jungle warfare cycle tomorrow and have been kicking the idea around of running havoc before summer time but who knows. I've already did a phera cycle and theres no sense in running havoc if it won't produce more gains then the sides.
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Posted: Mar 27 2008, 12:54 PM
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Wanted to take the day off, but a shitty day at work had me needing to let off some agression n stress. Ended up doing shoulders n a lil bit of tris since they pumped up at the same time and it was great! Awesome energy and stamina and the pump was brilliant.

DB Press
30x25
40x10
50x10
60x5

Plate Loaded Press
140x10
180 x5
200x5
135x6 (facing opposite direction)

Strait Bar Upright rows
70x10
80x10
80x10

Front Raises (knuckles up)
30x6
35x5
30x6

Plate Loaded Shrug machine
2 Plates x 10 with wide grip
2 plates x10 with Wide Grip
3 plates x8 Wide
2 plates x6 Wide
followed by...
2 sets of roped shrugs

Wide grip Pressdowns using Late Pull down bar
60x10
75x10
67.5x10

karate Chop Pressdowns (using thumbs as hooks on strait bar, palms facing each other)
30x10
40x10
50x10
60x10

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Posted: Mar 30 2008, 11:22 PM
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Took the weekend off, smoke and ate a shitload. Was so bloated all weekend..Not sure what Im hittin tomorrow. Im starting to feel good, fuller feeling/lookin. Since I started my clean bulk (2 weeks ago, and 1 week on havoc) Im up bout 6-7 pounds. slight bf increase but still lean. Im debatin on saying fuck it, and go for 200 lbs.

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Posted: Mar 31 2008, 10:48 AM
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Except for this last weekend, looks like you have a solid cycle going with a well-planned out PCT.

Looking good.

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Posted: Mar 31 2008, 12:06 PM
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lookin good bro, i'm on day 15 and bumpin to 40mg today

My first week on clen wen't well too... I'v been off clen for 3 days and i'm back at my starting weight (216lbs) and about 1.5% less bodyfat

I'm hopeing to ad a pound or 2 of muscle in the next week and then get back on clen for the final week

Pumps have been good, libido is up, strength is about the same

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Weight: 219lbs
Height: 6'1''
Bi's: 18''
Quads: 26''
Calves: 15.5''
Waist: 35''

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Deads: 405x3
Milit. DB Press: 100's x6
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Posted: Mar 31 2008, 01:49 PM
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Its Official, This Stuff Has Kicked In!

My god what a workout! As has been the trend lately, I felt lethargic upon waking up and up untill my workout. Was up till 330am last night with an 845 wakeup, so I was lil bummin thinkin my workout would suck. Dam was I wrong!

I kinda had a freestyle day and ended up doin Chest and Arms. As for a workout plan, I didnt really have one, it was kind of one of those feel my workout as I go along and do whats feelin good for today.

Well besides feelin lethargic, the stamina was great and the pump was like nothing Ive ever felt. I couldnt even pinch the skin on my arms, and the comments were starting to fly from other members in the gym, for my appearence was very noticable. I was almost laughing at myself in the mirror as to how rediculous it was.

As of last night all my measurements were up .5", but this could also be in part to a very carb generous weekend, so I will do them again tonight and we will see. As far as my weight, Im up 8lbs since the start of my bulk. (2 weeks in, 8 of those days being Havoc)...

Ill post back later with the measurement deal.

As far as pics I got nothin, for a comparison and prob wont till the end, my avatar is from when I was about 164-165ish. Right now Im 180 more or less with a slight increase in BF. Im really hopin to hit 190 come mid May, round the time of my Bday.

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Posted: Mar 31 2008, 05:24 PM
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How tall are you?

Height: 6'1"
Weight: 221

Vertical: 34.5"
40 Yard Dash: 4.58 s
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