Deadlifts

there goes your social life

Kidding..just couldn't resist

...try dragging the bar up your shins. I normally dont get lower back from from regyular deads, sldl on the other hand, yea I feel them.

...I just noticed you just started a havoc cycle, I dont know how long it takes for sides to kick in, but if back pumps are a side associated with the drug your taking...that could also be a possible cause...I remember sldl's on m1t (20mgED) was horrible, had to sit and rest for at least 2 or 3 minutes before pain subsided bw sets. There is no way around it bro (or at least that I know of), unless you use some rx painkillers. The only other option is to do other exercises that hit the hammies and go back to deads once your off cycle (if that is indeed the cause).

Taurine should help the back pumps

Watch that form!

A little back soreness after a DL session is normal, but serious soreness is probably a sign that you're not getting your legs into it enough. If you're tall with long arms (like me), or new to the DL the tendency is to bring your ass up too early in the liftand then wind up doing a virtual stiff-leg DL at the top of the movement (ie all back no legs).

Keep your weights low and REALLY focus on form (yes I know you want to lift heavier and heavier if you've just started, but your spine wont love you for it) - have a spotter who knows what good DL form looks like watch you from the side, have someone spot you by putting one hand on your lower back and pushing down, and one arm round your chest pulling back to help force you to keep that natural spinal curve throughout the lift, really concentrate on keeping your shoulders back, ass down, and the bar firmly against the legs (if its not grazing your shins its too far out) and also try using a trap bar/hex bar, especially for heavier lifts, especially if you're tall to keep the weight down the centreline of the body

I would def. recommend staying in the 135-225 range if you are unsure of your form.

I do deadlifts last in my back routine. Most do them first because they want to lift the most weight with that lift. I'm the opposite. I want to be fatigued before I get to that lift so that I use lighter weight. I concentrate on my form instead of max weight.

I have to be very careful w/ my lower back. I can't chance another injury now that I have a baby boy to pick up off the ground. This is why I go light and at the end of my workout.

very good post...make it easy to understand dl form...

Sumo does seem easier wrt lower back. You don't' have to bend as far over to make the lift. Sumo seems to rely on a lot of leg drive. My glutes kill after a few sets of sumo DLs.

yeah my quads usually get a good pump it and i get tight in the hammies...something about the regular dl form that i got retarded on and can't get it for some reason

With my light deadlifts, I come down to where the plates are about 1/2" off the ground - never touching - and come back up. Sometimes I use 25s if I'm feeling real limber (they allow me to come down farther than 45s).

If doing lower reps, I would def. take a pause between each rep to reset.

I've heard that grunting helps.

I grunt like a yeti doign squats an deads lol.

I don't grunt often. But, sometimes I catch myself yelling at the pullup bar on the way up.

drop your ass, use your legs, look up to keep your back tight, stay off your toes, explode off the bottom

take a video and post them up.

If I can get my hands on a cam i will..

thanks thomez.. I been watching alot of Vids on pro's doing deads I think I just gotta concentrate more on my form when im doing it and ill be banging big weight in no time.


thanks guys.

have u tried sumo miggy?

OMG hella yeah that's not good

He's using wrist straps. A double over hand grip will only be usefull with a lot of weight, without straps, is if you you also use the hook grip with it. Basicly placing your thumbs under your fingers. Hurts like hell but people say eventually the thumb's nerve endings get used to it.

A big benifit of the double over hand hook grip is that it takes a lot of the load that could be put on the biceps off which can cause a tear or rupture.

With straps or with out? Double over hand with out the hook on realy heavy deads is really impressive grip strength if you're doing that.

With straps.

no straps over-under here too. I'll train both sumo and conv. Compete sumo. I'm to much of a wuss to do the hook grip but would like to try. I get up to around 225 and it just starts hurting like a SOB.

When you do the over under you really have to make sure you keep the arms as straight as possible keeping the tension through out the arms. Do NOT try to bend them as thats when the under side really strains the bicep and could tear. It's really easy to try as it's natural to do so when trying to lock out heavier weights.

Great advice. I actually did DL's with a powerlifter in my gym (rare) and he helped me with that same thing. "You realize you just lifted all that with your arms, right?" and I've been hangin em straight ever since. Once you get the grip part of it down (still a weakpoint for me) its a much easier and more natural lift, just using the lower back, glutes, hams to drive upward.

would love to have a trap bar myself to train with as just another variation to use.

Actually the Trap Bar is Young Jeezys fav drinkin place.

same girl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2V2g_cl-MM&feature=related

just as good if not better in my experience because the leg drive off the bottom gives momentum that you can't really replicate with a rack pull

Try SLDL to focus on your lowerback and glutes. Anything that adds leg drive is going to take the focus away from your lower back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N68tT1oAho&feature=related

Very short ROM, I wouldnt do that little unless I was workin on that certain range..like the comments said, at least one more pin down.

Reeeefering to me? If so, no, it was the Havoc giving me back pumps.