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Posted: Mar 21 2008, 02:08 AM
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mostly to the powerlifters (jason and unstable+whoever else)
what's your routine like? since my meet ive been doing speedwork for both squat and deadlifts on the same day. the first time it was agonizing, today it wasnt so bad. im going to do my squat diff next time. like today i kept changing to heavier bands. i think im going to neglect bands on squat as far as speed day goes. i did deadlifts first but did 3 sumo no bands, like 2 sets. then 2 sets light band wrapped around each foot and the bar haha ,no place to put it, then 2 sets average then 2 sets heavy, all sumo. i pull conventional.

only thing was i sweated a LOT and i dont really sweat that much ever. im going to start doing more volume on a heavy squat day. work up to a heavy single then drop down to like 85% or so and do 5 more singles.

i think im going to start working rep work into my bench. 2 weeks rep work, 3 weeks speed work. or maybe 1 week rep work 3 weeks speed, and ill do rep work on my deload week. that sounds enticing.

i also REALLY wish i had a GHR or pendulum.

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Posted: Mar 21 2008, 02:12 AM
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oh shit jason has a journal
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well...discuss routines in here! >:/

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Posted: Mar 21 2008, 02:14 AM
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i think im going to start doing heavy squat and bench at this guy's house about 30 minutes away since a few other lifters go there. he doesnt have a set squat day but id like to lift with other people just for input and shit. thatll save me speed work at ballys which shouldnt be too difficult. i dont think speed/rep work is worth driving 30 min for.

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Posted: Mar 21 2008, 08:14 AM
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It's taken me a long time to realize that Westside is much like Bruce Lee's "Jeet Kun Do"

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I have not invented a "new style," composite, modified or otherwise that is set within distinct form as apart from "this" method or "that" method. On the contrary, I hope to free my followers from clinging to styles, patterns, or molds. Remember that Jeet Kune Do is merely a name used, a mirror in which to see "ourselves". . . Jeet Kune Do is not an organized institution that one can be a member of. Either you understand or you don't, and that is that. There is no mystery about my style. My movements are simple, direct and non-classical. The extraordinary part of it lies in its simplicity


Basically, Jeet Kun Do says "Do what works."

Westside is the same way. They have tried to define the boundries of "what works" and "what doesn't" with percentages and how long to stick with an exercise before rotating...but if you've paid close attention over the years, the rules have changed.

It's simple, but that makes it complicated. I know that's a bit of a paradox but listen. DO WHAT WORKS. SMASH FUCKING WEIGHTS. Your first question should be "Well...WHAT WORKS?" and nobody can answer that question but you! I might be able to look at your triceps and say "work your triceps" but you're going to have to figure out whether you respond better to one exercise over another.

This is why alot of people blast Westside. They'll try it for a few weeks or a few months and they will fail to make any kind of substantial gains. They don't realize that they have to USE THEIR BRAIN. There is no WESTSIDE TEMPLATE that anyone can follow that will optimize the training.

Speed Work-
I seriously question how important this is to an intermediate lifter. A beginner, yes, it's important. It teaches many key concepts and trains you to lift a certain way. Beyond that I don't feel that it does a whole hell of alot to build strength or explosiveness.

Bench Work-
Look at what the metal militia does. Lots of boards, lots of shirt work. These guys are generally kicking the crap out of the Westside benchers.

Squat -
Westside has a good amount of great squatters...look at what they are doing.




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Posted: Mar 21 2008, 08:24 AM
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Definitely a good thing to train with other people every so often. I found out though from going over to Bill's that while it is great I just couldn't do it all the time. I train in a zone and don't like to stop. I take really short rest periods between sets and training with someone else just disrupts that flow and concentration for me. I do love getting over and training with a bunch of really strong mofo's and have learned from that but I get over there about once a month.

As for training routines. I started out with the 9 week basic program written out by Date Tate. It's linked on the very first page of my journal. I followed it pretty much as close as I could.

Then I put together some boards and bought the Begginner training manual from EliteFTS and followed that really closely. That was another 10-11 weeks if I remember right. After going through it once I exactly as described I kind of went through it again but started to make some adjustments for my needs. Started to adjust the DE and ME day splits and moved days around just about every cycle and still do.

From that period on up to just recently I followed that template but started to switch out my ME exercises ever one to two weeks and didn't do the three week rotations anymore. I also started to do some more RE work instead of a DE day for bench.

Then the last cycle before this one I'm doing now I started doing DE work working up with at least 6 sets with some good speed. Then hit some RE for hitting off the chest either no boards or a 1 board. Then for ME day hit 2-3 boards and Floor presses. That really helped my bench a lot I think.

This cycle has been riddled with health issues, walking pneumonia, and with a torn hamstring tendon from slipping on some ice. So I've switched up to a very intense scheme based on what Chuck V. did a lot of.

Bench is still the same as what is described above but to bring up my SQ/DL as fast as posssible and risking overtraining I'm hitting RE assistance work one day and then like you saw in my journal and all out war with heavy ME working both Box squats and Rack pulls lowering both each week until I can get a full range in with out my hamstring curling up into a ball after it rips completely off the bone.

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Posted: Mar 22 2008, 12:26 AM
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i just had my meet so i figure now is a great time to change what ive been doing to bring my squat and deadlift up. obviously bench has gone up quickly with the shirt work and learning it, but raw bench is up too. so im not looking to change that too much, but my squat and deadlift def need adjustments so i was just kinda looking for ideas one breathing new life

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Tyler-
I'm not sure where your strengths and weaknesses lie in the squat and deadlift.
...and I can't remember from your videos whether you pulled conventional or sumo.

In any case, I can give you some excellent advice for building tremendous starting strength in the deadlift...locking it out is another story.

-Tons of stiff legged deadlifts for reps
-Stand on boxes
-Zercher squats off of pins
-Hyper extensions and weighted hypers
-Abs. Decline situps etc.

This along with some spaced out deads off of pins had me deadlifting 455 @ 193 lbs. when I was 16.

For squats, Jason has made great gains on his squat and I'd really look to him for advice, especially since he is a raw lifter I give him even more credit.

For your bench, definitely look at Metal Militia...pickup the MM seminar if you can. Shirted triples once a week or so, lots of boards.

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Posted: Mar 23 2008, 03:10 AM
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deadlift, ive done all those but i always stop. ill def. keep those in rotation. im really starting to get serious about this as time goes on. it's weird, ive always been serious but i guess im more into it. anyways, my squat went up before, but went down when i dieted, so ill look at my journal to see what i was doing.

these guys i train with really want me to hit 200 kilos so ill start buying them lunch. they said if i hit 200 kilos and break state record they dont expect to ever pay for another meal haha. if what they're doing doesnt work ill start telling them i want to do triples and boards. thing is we pretty much do those just not every week. he likes rotating exercises then coming back to them next cycle and break the previous cycle's record.


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QUOTE (Tyler43769 @ Mar 23 2008, 03:10 AM)
but went down when i dieted, so ill look at my journal to see what i was doing.


just ask jason, the more weight you put on, the stronger you will get. I know you wanted to compete in the 220's, but really if you just keep eating like a pig and lifting like an animal and then compete at whatever weight you end up at, you'll be strongest. You might not be as competitive at first, but you will be stronger.

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Definitly bulk up. The more your eat the stronger you get.

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I truly believe 10000000000000000% that nothing is more anabolic then LOTS of food.

BTW, what's helped my DL the most are doing them with a deficit. Using 25lbs plates instead of 45lbs plates. F*cking Zercher squats. I HATE those forsaken things but damn it they work good. Heavy Side bends, like doing them with a heavy DB and doing a DB dl to a side bend. Pull throughs helped me quite a bit as well.

I think all that along with doing tons of box squatting has helped my squat the most. Hitting Low box squats have been great for the hole but to really get my CNS fired up and ready to handle bigger weights the high box squat has been the best.

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i def eat a lot, itd be hard to eat more. only way to take in more calories is to eat cake instead of pizza, haha.

i tried front squats today. they felt like a chore. i tried holding my breath from the time of unracking to the squat and i got a bad headache and i saw my face lose color haha. i wont do that again. i dont think ill be doing those anytime soon. could be cuz i was tired but i just wasnt into it and went home early sad.gif

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QUOTE (Tyler43769 @ Mar 25 2008, 01:40 AM)
i def eat a lot, itd be hard to eat more. only way to take in more calories is to eat cake instead of pizza, haha.

i tried front squats today. they felt like a chore. i tried holding my breath from the time of unracking to the squat and i got a bad headache and i saw my face lose color haha. i wont do that again. i dont think ill be doing those anytime soon. could be cuz i was tired but i just wasnt into it and went home early sad.gif

if that's how you felt when doing front squats...do more of them, that's the idea.
Sure we all love to set tremendous PR's in our favorite lifts, but it's the shit that you hate doing that makes you stronger.

As far as eating more, see if you can't ingest some super high calorie shakes.

Big Mike Ruggiera recommended putting WHIPPING CREAM (not cool whip) in shakes, along with a bunch of other shit...I'll tell you what, whipping cream in a shake tastes fucking awesome, it's like a treat, plus all that extra fat will help you put on the pounds. Give it a month of supplementing like this and don't be surprise if you don't put on 2 lbs a week if not more.


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QUOTE (unstable @ Mar 25 2008, 07:08 PM)
QUOTE (Tyler43769 @ Mar 25 2008, 01:40 AM)
i def eat a lot, itd be hard to eat more.  only way to take in more calories is to eat cake instead of pizza, haha. 

i tried front squats today.  they felt like a chore.  i tried holding my breath from the time of unracking to the squat and i got a bad headache and i saw my face lose color haha.  i wont do that again.  i dont think ill be doing those anytime soon. could be cuz i was tired but i just wasnt into it and went home early sad.gif

if that's how you felt when doing front squats...do more of them, that's the idea.
Sure we all love to set tremendous PR's in our favorite lifts, but it's the shit that you hate doing that makes you stronger.

As far as eating more, see if you can't ingest some super high calorie shakes.

Big Mike Ruggiera recommended putting WHIPPING CREAM (not cool whip) in shakes, along with a bunch of other shit...I'll tell you what, whipping cream in a shake tastes fucking awesome, it's like a treat, plus all that extra fat will help you put on the pounds. Give it a month of supplementing like this and don't be surprise if you don't put on 2 lbs a week if not more.

one question about that kind of weight gain.

especially if you lift for meets, how would one expect to be the top of his weight class
if the person constantly gains weight?


would the PL'er have to go on a cut to be more competitive in terms of his weight class placement?

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QUOTE (opfor101 @ Mar 26 2008, 04:15 AM)
one question about that kind of weight gain.

especially if you lift for meets, how would one expect to be the top of his weight class
if the person constantly gains weight?


would the PL'er have to go on a cut to be more competitive in terms of his weight class placement?

You'll see people changing weight classes all the time in powerlifting, up and down, to be competitive, to compete agaist certain people, or to break records.

Matt Kroczaleski is notorious for going from around the 240's - 250's and cutting down in the last week to lift in the 220's. Then you have someone like Sam Byrd who will diet down to 198 to break a record, gain weight to break a record at the 220's and then even more weight to break a record at 242's, which he is in the process of trying to do. His last meet he ate everything he could just to weigh in at 222lbs. Rob Luyando is another example of that holding 3 WR at three weight classes, 220, 242, and 275.

Then you have a lot of people that just want to get stronger and lift more weights. Chuck Vogelpohl a modern legend is a prime example of that. Started out at the 220 weight class and found his limitations there and worked his way up to a solid 275 and started breaking records again.

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