after 4 weeks of dieting down...

How tall?

how tall?

lol

I only use whey protein with breakfast and post workouts. I currently hit the weights once every 3-4 days for about 15 minutes, so I use about 30 grams of whey a day aside from lifting days. On those days, I use about 90 grams. As you can tell, I'm a huge Heavy Duty advocate.

am i reading this right....... u only hit the weights for 15mins?

i dont know if i read this completely wrong, but 15mins every 3 or 4 days? Also 90grams of whey is highly unnessary, 40grams is about the max your body can digest at once ne ways. Clarification is needed bro.

If you're lifting balls to the wall 15-20 minutes is all you need.

so what would a typical routine besides the one u already mentioned look like?

Look up crossfit.com. Try one of their workouts of the day, see what you think.

If you cut out all the time most people spend between sets, going to get a drink, resting, etc, the amount of time you're actually lifting is only 15-20 minutes. If you cut out all the rest 20 minutes might be all you need.

I don't know why i'm even trying to argue this poing... 20 min twice per week is not enough time to maximize hypertrophy no matter what intensity your working at

rest time is important when you training for hypertrophy, if your hitting set after set with 30 second rest intervals, your not going to have the gas to bang out heavy reps

if the dude wants any chance at competing then he needs to incorporate a traditional bodybuilding routine... not this goofy 20 min HIT bullshit

Why is it not enough time? Im asking a serious question? What exactly does it take to produce hypertrophy?

will do

But who says you need to do that much work to get maximal hypertrophy?

Instead of benching 135 for ten reps, why not do 285 for 3 reps?

Lifters meaning olympic lifters?

I think 90% of the people here are interested in muscle growth so I don't think anyone really cares about lifters.

This is a bodybuilding forum.

+1 for me as well, and it shows in your physique.




The OP looks good if you want to be looking like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, but the lack of muscle thickness shows. IMO from the short workouts, yeah you'll get toned up but won't put on much muscle mass.

Do a competition, but I'd go as lean as you can. My buddy who is just as big as I am at 215lbs if not bigger dropped to 178lbs and got 4th, but competitions are pretty popular here in MI and just depends on the weightclasses. If you've never been to a competition, which I'm thinking, I'd go to one and see each weight class and shoot for a class you think you'd do best in.

Or check out Azfit's competition pics, nothing against Az but you see the kind of conditioning and size Az thought he was in compared to the size of the other guys beside him.

Tell that to Dorian Yates

But to my defense, it's alot harder to pack on mass when you aren't 5'3"

Thats true except for the fact that he beat other guys who were also juicing big time, and spent alot more time in the gym.

Height has nothing to do with anything, that statement is about the gayest excuse for pussies.

Like I said nothing against Az, tard.

Lol height has alot to do with it. Why do you think there are very few Pros over 5'10"?

And you believe everything printed in FLEX mags? Its called psyching out the competition.

Yeah Arnold worked out hard as fuck, but look at the density he had over Dorian's bubblicious looking muscles. And the fact drugs weren't probably as potent, and as many different kinds back then.

I agree with that 100%.

Yup, which is probably enough time to tone and tighten. But in his case its working for now, but I think he'll have to step it up to go beyond where he is now for added size.

U just can't pack on mass cuz your a pansy ass.

lol it's way past him... were jus debating btw eachother now, nothing wrong wit a good clean argument

Thats true, I'm not out taking lead pipes to teenagers cars

It only takes 1-2 sets of 90% or more of your 1 RM to tear down muscles

Cool thanks for the info, I've always wanted that one. Yates will always be a badass!

I remember hearing him talk about 1 exercise bicep programs, his reasoning was that biceps were a small muscle group, hit them hard and done....then again he blew his bicep out!



I've always made better size gains hitting groups 2x a week, about 3 exercises/3-4 working sets/6-10 reps on heavy days and 10-14 on the second lighter part of the week.

Strength has always gone up better hitting parts 1x a week, heavy for me.


Has anyone asked this guy how long he's been working out on this program?!!!!

Ok so how do you expect to get to 90%+ work sets without doing warmup sets first? That takes time.

go suk a dynamic cock

I didn't tell him to do one type of workout or another. I didn't give him any advice. I simply stated that everyone saying he should train the way, that they do isn't right either. What works for movin weight, might not work for him.

Or else you're going to take a pipe to the kid down the street from me's Eclipse?

agreed, but i'm not tellin him to do what i do...

I do 90 minute sessions and hit everything twice per week... i'm not recommending that to him at all, i'm just sayin if he wants to bodybuild, then he needs a fuckin bodybuilding routine

i mean he looks good but 5'11'' and 180lbs is nothing to boast about

Agreed!

i agree with what your saying except for this. going by stats is retarded. arnold was only 240 at 6'2 and he looked amazing. 6'2 240 is NOTHING in todays bbing. youll never see any guy with those stats look as good as him. it all depends on genetics and the way they look. not everyone has the same frame. packing loads of muscle on a small frame looks more impressive then a guy at the same weight but bigger frame. flex wheeler is a good example of this. do you focus more on what the scale says or what the mirror says? my point is stats dont mean shit in bbing.

I never underestimated it, I just did really poorly.

it's cool bro, i mean if you like your training style, and are happy with your results... then it's alllll goooood

I'v done my research, and made my argument... take it for what it's worth

Not really here to flame you

I wasn't advising him in bodybuilding. If you read the thread I never gave him any actual advice.

don't you have drugs to smoke, and houses to be evicted from?

speak on....lets hear why.

I hope you sent it.

Word. I comment least in the training section and I'm a trainer. If it is not broken, do not fix it.

Tell me how your really feel Will. So true.

You could easily trim at least 30 minutes from that.

Stuff like preacher hammer curls and DB flyes together should take 10 minutes tops.

They're isolation movements which shouldn't require much rest time.

yes jason that is what it is called i have it is awsome i will have too watch that soon.

Are you studying exercise science?