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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:33 PM
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Ben - BTW, if you like the Blond Myth dvd's you'd probably really like the Yates DVD. I think it was called Blood and Guts. Awesome training vids in that.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE (PotentiallyFatal @ Mar 19 2008, 12:32 PM)
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Or check out Azfit's competition pics, nothing against Az but you see the kind of conditioning and size Az thought he was in compared to the size of the other guys beside him.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 12:26 PM)
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it's just not enough time or work to fully break down the muscle fibers

Yup, which is probably enough time to tone and tighten. But in his case its working for now, but I think he'll have to step it up to go beyond where he is now for added size.

It only takes 1-2 sets of 90% or more of your 1 RM to tear down muscles

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QUOTE (Jason2459 @ Mar 19 2008, 01:33 PM)
Ben - BTW, if you like the Blond Myth dvd's you'd probably really like the Yates DVD. I think it was called Blood and Guts. Awesome training vids in that.

Cool thanks for the info, I've always wanted that one. Yates will always be a badass!

I remember hearing him talk about 1 exercise bicep programs, his reasoning was that biceps were a small muscle group, hit them hard and done....then again he blew his bicep out!



I've always made better size gains hitting groups 2x a week, about 3 exercises/3-4 working sets/6-10 reps on heavy days and 10-14 on the second lighter part of the week.

Strength has always gone up better hitting parts 1x a week, heavy for me.


Has anyone asked this guy how long he's been working out on this program?!!!! huh.gif

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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 01:44 PM)
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it's just not enough time or work to fully break down the muscle fibers

Yup, which is probably enough time to tone and tighten. But in his case its working for now, but I think he'll have to step it up to go beyond where he is now for added size.

It only takes 1-2 sets of 90% or more of your 1 RM to tear down muscles

Ok so how do you expect to get to 90%+ work sets without doing warmup sets first? That takes time.


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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 01:02 PM
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Well if you do a dynamic warm up it doesn't take much time.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 02:14 PM
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well if your telling him to go into a comp working like that, AZ then your setting him up for failure and thats not cool. He said he would like to do one and obviously he would like to place well. So he needs to increase the frequency of his work outs if he wants to do better than you did( no offense). Ive done an ameture competition( i was 18) and took 2nd place in the overall. I worked 6 days a week and had a nutritionist preparing my meals for 4months prior. If you want to place well then 15minutes every 3 or 4 days isnt going to do it. Im not bashing by any means cuz it looks like hes doing well, im just trying to help out.


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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 01:02 PM)
Well if you do a dynamic warm up it doesn't take much time.

go suk a dynamic cock

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Well if you do a dynamic warm up it doesn't take much time.

go suk a dynamic cock

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well if your telling him to go into a comp working like that, AZ then your setting him up for failure and thats not cool. He said he would like to do one and obviously he would like to place well. So he needs to increase the frequency of his work outs if he wants to do better than you did( no offense). Ive done an ameture competition( i was 18) and took 2nd place in the overall. I worked 6 days a week and had a nutritionist preparing my meals for 4months prior. If you want to place well then 15minutes every 3 or 4 days isnt going to do it. Im not bashing by any means cuz it looks like hes doing well, im just trying to help out.

I didn't tell him to do one type of workout or another. I didn't give him any advice. I simply stated that everyone saying he should train the way, that they do isn't right either. What works for movin weight, might not work for him.

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Well if you do a dynamic warm up it doesn't take much time.

go suk a dynamic cock

Or else you're going to take a pipe to the kid down the street from me's Eclipse? ph34r.gif ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 04:31 PM
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I didn't give him any advice. I simply stated that everyone saying he should train the way, that they do isn't right either. What works for movin weight, might not work for him.


agreed, but i'm not tellin him to do what i do...

I do 90 minute sessions and hit everything twice per week... i'm not recommending that to him at all, i'm just sayin if he wants to bodybuild, then he needs a fuckin bodybuilding routine

i mean he looks good but 5'11'' and 180lbs is nothing to boast about

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 05:30 PM
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that was the point i was trying to make, im not good with words.


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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 19 2008, 04:31 PM)
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I didn't give him any advice. I simply stated that everyone saying he should train the way, that they do isn't right either. What works for movin weight, might not work for him.


agreed, but i'm not tellin him to do what i do...

I do 90 minute sessions and hit everything twice per week... i'm not recommending that to him at all, i'm just sayin if he wants to bodybuild, then he needs a fuckin bodybuilding routine

i mean he looks good but 5'11'' and 180lbs is nothing to boast about

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your schedule only needs a few alterations.....D-bol, anadrol, deca, test (all types will work great in combintation.)

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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 19 2008, 04:31 PM)
i mean he looks good but 5'11'' and 180lbs is nothing to boast about

i agree with what your saying except for this. going by stats is retarded. arnold was only 240 at 6'2 and he looked amazing. 6'2 240 is NOTHING in todays bbing. youll never see any guy with those stats look as good as him. it all depends on genetics and the way they look. not everyone has the same frame. packing loads of muscle on a small frame looks more impressive then a guy at the same weight but bigger frame. flex wheeler is a good example of this. do you focus more on what the scale says or what the mirror says? my point is stats dont mean shit in bbing.
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"...more is better though...right?" Why? Where are the grounds behind these blind statements? Where is your scientific reasoning?

"No, no, just more then what I do...right?" On what grounds do you make this remark? Because my training is far from the "norm"? While far from the "norm", my training style follows more closely to the principles of physiology, muscle adaptation, and rational thinking.

"No, no, just more like pros tell us to do it...right?" Cause where else are the ideas of training so much coming from? Exercise physiologists? If there are, then ask them to explain why more is needed. Ask to get a straight answer as to why more then one working set is required to stimulate maximal muscle growth.

No, no, instinct tells us...right? hahaha!!!! As if there were such a thing to training. If you still talk about "instinct", don't bother me.

And let the flaming begin...and this is why I don't comment much at all about training anymore on boards such as this.
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Posted: Mar 21 2008, 07:12 PM
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Dude i doubt ne one is going to flame you. We were just saying if you are going to, or are interested in competing then your routine would need to change. Az can tell you from first hand experience about underestimating BBing. You look pretty good but i wouldnt tell you to compete as of yet. Im pretty much the same build as you, i spend more time of developing each muscle group then i do on being massive. People were pretty much just giving Az a hard time because of his unsuccessful BBing attempt, not you.

Stay strong and Keep at it bro.


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But 15 mins every 3-4 days? Just be glad your blessed with some good fuckin genetics..it takes me 15 mins to get in the locker room, put in my earbuds, and house my NO Shotgun before I even consider stretching..But like other's mentioned, if you want to compete, there's no way in hell you'll get anywhere with that routine..only saying it because you mentioned you wanted to compete..Do you eat a meal every 3 or 4 days too or what?
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QUOTE (DownTown @ Mar 21 2008, 07:12 PM)
Dude i doubt ne one is going to flame you. We were just saying if you are going to, or are interested in competing then your routine would need to change. Az can tell you from first hand experience about underestimating BBing. You look pretty good but i wouldnt tell you to compete as of yet. Im pretty much the same build as you, i spend more time of developing each muscle group then i do on being massive. People were pretty much just giving Az a hard time because of his unsuccessful BBing attempt, not you.

Stay strong and Keep at it bro.

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