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azfittrainer

Posted: Mar 19 2008, 09:52 AM

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Alot of BB'rs lift for that amount of time too. If you actually looked at the amount of muscle mass on elite Olympic lifters they are very muscular, especially in the lower body. The point is, just becuase some lifters need alot of reps/sets to build mass doesn't mean everyone does. One of the greatest Mr Olympias of all time only lifted for about 30 minutes a session.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 09:59 AM

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Well I have no idea how long heavyweight BBers train but I would say that's the minority. Of course some people hardly train at all and still looked jacked.

I would say most BBers train twice a day for a couple hours since they're all juiced up.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 10:04 AM

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Most do, but some do not. I'm just saying, there is more than one way to get jacked, and no one formula wokrs for everyone. Arnold did marathon sessions, Yates was in and out in 30 minutes. Both were multi year champions.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE (DownTown @ Mar 19 2008, 10:41 AM)

Its may just be me but i hit everything at least once or twice a week.

+1 for me as well, and it shows in your physique.

The OP looks good if you want to be looking like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, but the lack of muscle thickness shows. IMO from the short workouts, yeah you'll get toned up but won't put on much muscle mass.

Do a competition, but I'd go as lean as you can. My buddy who is just as big as I am at 215lbs if not bigger dropped to 178lbs and got 4th, but competitions are pretty popular here in MI and just depends on the weightclasses. If you've never been to a competition, which I'm thinking, I'd go to one and see each weight class and shoot for a class you think you'd do best in.

Or check out Azfit's competition pics, nothing against Az but you see the kind of conditioning and size Az thought he was in compared to the size of the other guys beside him.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM)

[QUOTE=DownTown,Mar 19 2008, 10:41 AM] Its may just be

The OP looks good if you want to be looking like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, but the lack of muscle thickness shows. IMO from the short workouts, yeah you'll get toned up but won't put on much muscle mass.

Tell that to Dorian Yates

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[QUOTE=azfittrainer,Mar 19 2008, 12:46 PM] [QUOTE=Big_Ben,Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM] [QUOTE=DownTown,Mar 19 2008, 10:41 AM] Its may just be

The OP looks good if you want to be looking like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, but the lack of muscle thickness shows. IMO from the short workouts, yeah you'll get toned up but won't put on much muscle mass.

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Tell that to Dorian Yates [/QUOTE]
Dude Dorian took mega cycles, you really don't have to work as hard in the gym as a natty builder if you are totally gassed. I really don't think the OP is injecting at the moment.

If I was injecting, my time in the gym would go down too.

WTF are you thinking....

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM)

Or check out Azfit's competition pics, nothing against Az but you see the kind of conditioning and size Az thought he was in compared to the size of the other guys beside him.

But to my defense, it's alot harder to pack on mass when you aren't 5'3"

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 12:08 PM)

Thats true except for the fact that he beat other guys who were also juicing big time, and spent alot more time in the gym.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 01:10 PM)

QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM)

Or check out Azfit's competition pics, nothing against Az but you see the kind of conditioning and size Az thought he was in compared to the size of the other guys beside him.

But to my defense, it's alot harder to pack on mass when you aren't 5'3"

Height has nothing to do with anything, that statement is about the gayest excuse for pussies.

Like I said nothing against Az, tard.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:14 PM

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yeah but Yates was prob in the gym 6-7 days per week, not every 3-4 days... that makes a HUGE difference

Even tho i think the actual session time of 20min is not enough, if the OP was in the gym 5 days per week i would say it could prob be done... 20 min per muscle group isnt bad

My arguement is more towards the amount of time he's in the gym per WEEK, if he's lifting every 3-4 days then thats 40min per week... gives you enough time for 3-4 sets per muscle group max, it's just not enough time or work to fully break down the muscle fibers

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 12:12 PM)

QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 01:10 PM)

QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM)

Or check out Azfit's competition pics, nothing against Az but you see the kind of conditioning and size Az thought he was in compared to the size of the other guys beside him.

But to my defense, it's alot harder to pack on mass when you aren't 5'3"

Height has nothing to do with anything, that statement is about the gayest excuse for pussies.

Like I said nothing against Az, tard.

Lol height has alot to do with it. Why do you think there are very few Pros over 5'10"?

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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 01:11 PM)

Thats true except for the fact that he beat other guys who were also juicing big time, and spent alot more time in the gym.

And you believe everything printed in FLEX mags? Its called psyching out the competition.

Yeah Arnold worked out hard as fuck, but look at the density he had over Dorian's bubblicious looking muscles. And the fact drugs weren't probably as potent, and as many different kinds back then.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:19 PM

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I don't read FLEX, but the fact remains he won, and the other guys didn't. My point is what works for you, might not work for another guy.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 01:19 PM)

My point is what works for you, might not work for another guy.

I agree with that 100%.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:25 PM

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[QUOTE=azfittrainer,Mar 19 2008, 10:46 AM] [QUOTE=Big_Ben,Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM] [QUOTE=DownTown,Mar 19 2008, 10:41 AM] Its may just be

The OP looks good if you want to be looking like Brad Pitt in Fight Club, but the lack of muscle thickness shows. IMO from the short workouts, yeah you'll get toned up but won't put on much muscle mass.

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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 19 2008, 01:14 PM)

it's just not enough time or work to fully break down the muscle fibers

Yup, which is probably enough time to tone and tighten. But in his case its working for now, but I think he'll have to step it up to go beyond where he is now for added size.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:27 PM

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Yates was just one sick mother. The amount of injuries he had and still worked through them is just amazing.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:30 PM

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I love how everyone is so worried about everyone else on these boards. Kind of gets old quick. Let the dude do what he wants if he feels like its working and for everyone else you do what you feel is the best for yourself. Yeah maybe he could get better results from hitting the gym more often and for longer, but maybe thats all the time he has for the gym right now? The dude has a decent physique too, probably better then half of the people on here who have never showed a picture.

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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 12:10 PM)

QUOTE (Big_Ben @ Mar 19 2008, 10:38 AM)

Or check out Azfit's competition pics, nothing against Az but you see the kind of conditioning and size Az thought he was in compared to the size of the other guys beside him.

But to my defense, it's alot harder to pack on mass when you aren't 5'3"

U just can't pack on mass cuz your a pansy ass.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE (Chris25533 @ Mar 19 2008, 12:30 PM)