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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 10:38 AM
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I don't see how 40 min per week is enough time under the weights... you could probly see alot better gains with a dif routine

high intensity or not, still sounds like your cutting yourself short to me

whats a typical routine look like for you?

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 11:05 AM
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Try doing power cleans and squats for sets of 5 with 80% of 1 RM for 20 minutes with a 30 second rest interval and see if your not fried afterwards.

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 11:37 AM
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seems to be working for him from the looks of the picture
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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 02:19 PM
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how is 40 min not enough time? You should not be in the gym with weights longer than an hour. i understand if its a little over an hour but the kids that workout for 2 hours straight are just stupid. natural homones your body releases deplete after an hour resulting in overtraining.

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 02:23 PM
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No he's in the gym 40-60 minutes a week. As in 20 minutes a session, 3 times a week.

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 04:00 PM
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Pretty jack'd.  How much do you whey?

I only use whey protein with breakfast and post workouts. I currently hit the weights once every 3-4 days for about 15 minutes, so I use about 30 grams of whey a day aside from lifting days. On those days, I use about 90 grams. As you can tell, I'm a huge Heavy Duty advocate.

am i reading this right....... u only hit the weights for 15mins? blink.gif

If you're lifting balls to the wall 15-20 minutes is all you need.

so what would a typical routine besides the one u already mentioned look like?

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 07:51 PM
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EDIT: meant to quote brendilinger

but yeah 40 min per week, not per session... big difference

i agree you don't need more than an hour... i just choose that route because i like hitting isolation lifts

but still 15-20min aint even enough time to get warmed up... even if you were doin full body thats not enough time to hit compounds to cover all bodyparts

and i know AZFIT is gonna come in and mention something about olympic lifts... but the guy is talkin about competing in bbing

5'11'' and 180lbs is decent... but my point is he could prob be alot bigger with a better routine

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Height: 6'1''
Bi's: 18''
Quads: 26''
Calves: 15.5''
Waist: 35''

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Deads: 405x3
Milit. DB Press: 100's x6
Squat: 315x5
Incline: 275x2
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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 08:13 PM
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Still not enough to hit each body part every week.

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 08:20 PM
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I'm 100% with Movin..I don't see how you can go once every 3 or 4 days and still hit everything in 15 mins? IMO, you need to go at least 4 days a week for 45-60 mins each..but that's just me, everyone's bodies are different I guess..Lookin good either way Gunz..
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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 11:12 PM
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Pretty jack'd.  How much do you whey?

I only use whey protein with breakfast and post workouts. I currently hit the weights once every 3-4 days for about 15 minutes, so I use about 30 grams of whey a day aside from lifting days. On those days, I use about 90 grams. As you can tell, I'm a huge Heavy Duty advocate.

am i reading this right....... u only hit the weights for 15mins? blink.gif

If you're lifting balls to the wall 15-20 minutes is all you need.

so what would a typical routine besides the one u already mentioned look like?

Look up crossfit.com. Try one of their workouts of the day, see what you think.

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Posted: Mar 17 2008, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 17 2008, 07:51 PM)
EDIT: meant to quote brendilinger

but yeah 40 min per week, not per session... big difference

i agree you don't need more than an hour... i just choose that route because i like hitting isolation lifts

but still 15-20min aint even enough time to get warmed up... even if you were doin full body thats not enough time to hit compounds to cover all bodyparts

and i know AZFIT is gonna come in and mention something about olympic lifts... but the guy is talkin about competing in bbing

5'11'' and 180lbs is decent... but my point is he could prob be alot bigger with a better routine

If you cut out all the time most people spend between sets, going to get a drink, resting, etc, the amount of time you're actually lifting is only 15-20 minutes. If you cut out all the rest 20 minutes might be all you need.

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Posted: Mar 18 2008, 03:44 AM
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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 17 2008, 11:14 PM)
QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 17 2008, 07:51 PM)
EDIT: meant to quote brendilinger

but yeah 40 min per week, not per session... big difference

i agree you don't need more than an hour... i just choose that route because i like hitting isolation lifts

but still 15-20min aint even enough time to get warmed up... even if you were doin full body thats not enough time to hit compounds to cover all bodyparts

and i know AZFIT is gonna come in and mention something about olympic lifts... but the guy is talkin about competing in bbing

5'11'' and 180lbs is decent... but my point is he could prob be alot bigger with a better routine

If you cut out all the time most people spend between sets, going to get a drink, resting, etc, the amount of time you're actually lifting is only 15-20 minutes. If you cut out all the rest 20 minutes might be all you need.

I don't know why i'm even trying to argue this poing... 20 min twice per week is not enough time to maximize hypertrophy no matter what intensity your working at

rest time is important when you training for hypertrophy, if your hitting set after set with 30 second rest intervals, your not going to have the gas to bang out heavy reps

if the dude wants any chance at competing then he needs to incorporate a traditional bodybuilding routine... not this goofy 20 min HIT bullshit

Current as of 03/08
Weight: 219lbs
Height: 6'1''
Bi's: 18''
Quads: 26''
Calves: 15.5''
Waist: 35''

PR's:
Bench: 335x1
Deads: 405x3
Milit. DB Press: 100's x6
Squat: 315x5
Incline: 275x2
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Posted: Mar 18 2008, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 18 2008, 03:44 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 17 2008, 11:14 PM)
QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 17 2008, 07:51 PM)
EDIT: meant to quote brendilinger

but yeah 40 min per week, not per session... big difference

i agree you don't need more than an hour... i just choose that route because i like hitting isolation lifts

but still 15-20min aint even enough time to get warmed up... even if you were doin full body thats not enough time to hit compounds to cover all bodyparts

and i know AZFIT is gonna come in and mention something about olympic lifts... but the guy is talkin about competing in bbing

5'11'' and 180lbs is decent... but my point is he could prob be alot bigger with a better routine

If you cut out all the time most people spend between sets, going to get a drink, resting, etc, the amount of time you're actually lifting is only 15-20 minutes. If you cut out all the rest 20 minutes might be all you need.

I don't know why i'm even trying to argue this poing... 20 min twice per week is not enough time to maximize hypertrophy no matter what intensity your working at

rest time is important when you training for hypertrophy, if your hitting set after set with 30 second rest intervals, your not going to have the gas to bang out heavy reps

if the dude wants any chance at competing then he needs to incorporate a traditional bodybuilding routine... not this goofy 20 min HIT bullshit

Why is it not enough time? Im asking a serious question? What exactly does it take to produce hypertrophy?

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Posted: Mar 18 2008, 10:17 PM
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Pretty jack'd.  How much do you whey?

I only use whey protein with breakfast and post workouts. I currently hit the weights once every 3-4 days for about 15 minutes, so I use about 30 grams of whey a day aside from lifting days. On those days, I use about 90 grams. As you can tell, I'm a huge Heavy Duty advocate.

am i reading this right....... u only hit the weights for 15mins? blink.gif

If you're lifting balls to the wall 15-20 minutes is all you need.

so what would a typical routine besides the one u already mentioned look like?

Look up crossfit.com. Try one of their workouts of the day, see what you think.

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Posted: Mar 18 2008, 10:17 PM
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3-5 sets of 8-12 reps at 70-80% of maxium weight per excercise, and approx 6-10 sets per muscle group

In order to achieve that, you need adequate rest periods in between sets... roughly 2-3min

It's simple mathematics... Hypothetically We will say that each set including rest periods will take approx. 3 min... SO after 3 sets of squats, he has already used up 9min... THEN after 3-4 sets of lets say Bench, his 20 min are up

now he's off for 3-4 days before he's back in the gym to hit back annd shoulders... where once again he has time for 1 back excercise, and 1 shoulder excercise

Will he induce hypertrophy following the routine... yes, but not nearly as much as if he were to add another 20-30min to the routine and incorporate a few more lifts

Now i'm sure he is hitting alot more sets than i mentioned because he is cutting way down on his rest time, and probly cruising from set to set... but that only means that he is not fully recovering between sets, and not lifting at 70-80% of his maximum weight....

I could bench 135lbs for 10 reps every 30 seconds for 20 min... but i'm not gonna get any bigger doing it

Current as of 03/08
Weight: 219lbs
Height: 6'1''
Bi's: 18''
Quads: 26''
Calves: 15.5''
Waist: 35''

PR's:
Bench: 335x1
Deads: 405x3
Milit. DB Press: 100's x6
Squat: 315x5
Incline: 275x2
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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE (MoVin_Weight @ Mar 18 2008, 10:17 PM)
3-5 sets of 8-12 reps at 70-80% of maxium weight per excercise, and approx 6-10 sets per muscle group

In order to achieve that, you need adequate rest periods in between sets... roughly 2-3min

It's simple mathematics... Hypothetically We will say that each set including rest periods will take approx. 3 min... SO after 3 sets of squats, he has already used up 9min... THEN after 3-4 sets of lets say Bench, his 20 min are up

now he's off for 3-4 days before he's back in the gym to hit back annd shoulders... where once again he has time for 1 back excercise, and 1 shoulder excercise

Will he induce hypertrophy following the routine... yes, but not nearly as much as if he were to add another 20-30min to the routine and incorporate a few more lifts

Now i'm sure he is hitting alot more sets than i mentioned because he is cutting way down on his rest time, and probly cruising from set to set... but that only means that he is not fully recovering between sets, and not lifting at 70-80% of his maximum weight....

I could bench 135lbs for 10 reps every 30 seconds for 20 min... but i'm not gonna get any bigger doing it

But who says you need to do that much work to get maximal hypertrophy?

Instead of benching 135 for ten reps, why not do 285 for 3 reps?

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 07:53 AM
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Shit, I guess we've all been doing this wrong.

I'm gonna start lifting 5 times a week for 10 minutes each session. I'll be jacked as fuck in no time.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 09:37 AM
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10 minutes might not be enough, but 20-30 minutes certainly can be. Many top lifters in the world will work lift for 20-30 minutes top, same with many elite combat operators.

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Im in agreement low reps(3-5) usually are not enough to break the tissue down to the extent that it needs to be. Also this method would take a large amount of time to make quality gains. There is roughly 9 days off of each body part between workouts. Ya it can work but it just doesnt seem efficient. Its may just be me but i hit everything at least once or twice a week.

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Posted: Mar 19 2008, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 19 2008, 10:37 AM)
10 minutes might not be enough, but 20-30 minutes certainly can be. Many top lifters in the world will work lift for 20-30 minutes top, same with many elite combat operators.

Lifters meaning olympic lifters?

I think 90% of the people here are interested in muscle growth so I don't think anyone really cares about lifters.

This is a bodybuilding forum.


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