Baseball Thread 2008

Dunno. I bet WillP would know. I usually don't follow preseason either but I've been interested to see how the newbs are doing after the Santana trade.

Oh yeah thats true. Liriano will be nice for you guys. I liked him his rookie year. He wont replace santana now, especially since Santana is in the weaker league. He'll be like Zues throwin down some lighting bolts.

I stopped betting on sports when I got banned permanently from one of my favorite web forums

Was it a NY newspaper? Why would the Mets be a much better odds winner. They won less games last year then the D-Backs, and the Snakes added another Cy Young candidate.

Twins fan? Fuck yeah!!!!

I have my tickets for opening night at the Metrodome already.

I was front row in left field last year for opening night, pretty tits won't lie.

A buddy of mines family has season tickets that are front row in the visitors bull pen, awesome view.

Here are a few shots I got:

say hello to the reason you shouldnt bet on baseball in this forum.

lol it's alright ive been getting ready for the draft and for got about baseball

Hunter was good but definitely not a go-to guy offensively. Santana on the other hand will be hard to replace. I think Morneau, Mauer, Young, and Cuddyer will be a solid offensive base. Liriano on the mound and Nathan the closer.....SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

yeah but did he grow as a red sock? i thought he was average and then sprouted with boston. Where as the twins let go of one of the best

Those are good odds


I'll put a nickel on it

This is true. Papi really didn't blow up until Boston.

CDub - Young's looking good. I think they've got a dangerous offense this year. If Monroe can get his act together then they'll be stacked.

I really hope they put him in the bullpen to start the year off. Let him pitch to two to four batters a few times a week to make sure they don't blow his arm out again.

If the Twins bats are what they were in 2006, I don't think I will be too worried. No one hit in 2007. Morneau, Mauer, Cuddyer, Punto, and Bartlet all had down years. They also had no production from the DH and left fielder. Its kind of hard to win with that happening.

Hopefully Craig Monroe hits 25-30 homers while playing DH and left.

Actually for the Pirates those aren't bad odds.

How close is he to 5K?

The Mets offense didn't!! hahaha

Anyway here's that original article I told you about regarding the odds.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AroglqjbtCym5MROWmSEfogRvLYF?slug=anonbettingmansworldseri&prov=tsn&type=lgns

"Arizona. With or without Randy Johnson, this team has an imposing rotation. There isn’t a better 1-2 punch in baseball than Brandon Webb and Dan Haren, and with those guys at the top of the playoff rotation, Arizona would be brutal to face in October. Getting to the playoffs might be a problem, though. The bullpen has been reshuffled, with Jose Valverde gone to Houston and Brandon Lyon taking over closing duties. The offense was plain bad last year, as their .321 on-base percentage ranked last in the N.L., and the West is a very tough division. But at 22/1, I’ll take ‘em"

Except for the last two weeks of September

"could you imagine Bill Parcells wearing his Giants uniform"

Testicular torsion = twisted balls


OUCH

He is a dickbag just like his old man. There was an interview that asked him iif we were turning into a "Red Sox Nation" and he got all butthurt and said "Well you don't see Red Sox hats and jackets everywhere, its still always Yankees hats and jackets".

WTF are you talking about? Come to SoCal and fight me for it? Dude, I won that bet fair and square. If you refuse to pay then you're a deadbeat. It sucks, but hey...lotta people in this world suck really bad and I suppose we've gotta tolerate them.

I'm sure it's in the mail though, right? Just sent it out, right? What a joke.

Again, WTF are you talking about? If I were a man? Weak bro.

"As far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season" is clearly not justification for not paying, since Reyes won the statistical bet far and away. Not that it matters how much I won by, a win is a win.

Mind numbingly annoying that you're yapping about me "not being a man" when you're the one who's welching on a friendly $50 baseball bet. What is that? Who does that? So weak.

You've got to be kidding.

Right back atcha slick...doesn't make the bet any less real.

Plus, WTF does that have to do with anything? "Waaa, I don't wanna honor my bets because you talked smack to me on the internet about baseball...waaaa" Seriously, WTF???

Did I say something funny to imply it's a joke?

Just answer this question with either yes or no.

Did you lose the bet between Reyes and Drew based on the agreed upon criteria?

IMO, no

What does "IMO" have to do with the agreed upon statistics that determined the outcome of the bet?

That's the beauty of a bet like that...there is no "opinion"...either you win or you lose, and the statistics are black and white to avoid any gray area dilemmas.

Clearly, I was the winner and AZFit refused to pay because he's a deadbeat.

QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 14 2007, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 19 2007, 02:33 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 19 2007, 12:06 PM)
OK, so here goes again. $50 on the sum total of these categories. I'm down, let me know if you are.

BA + XBH + R + RBI + TB

Or, if you'd like to add SB, I'm fine with that too, let me know.


Those categories work fine for me. It will give by most peoples standards a pretty good assement of overall offensive contribution.



It's a final...

Reyes vs Drew Final Season Totals

Jose
.280BA + 119R + 57RBI + 60xBH + 287TB = 803

Stephen
.238BA + 60R + 60RBI + 44xBH + 201TB = 603

You're so right. Plus, those Duke guys can be real douchebags, so that win doesn't count. They're not men.

They won by 1

How about if we include Reyes post season stats, i mean he did so well... oops, never mind

Druggie felon

I live in California now bro. Got my medical card...I'm on the right side of the law. Sorry to burst your bubble.

http://www.safeaccessnow.net/doctors.htm

...but you're still a deadbeat welcher.



EDIT: Although it's frustrating for me to have followed this bet all year, only to win in the end and never get paid what's due......I bet it's annoying to read AZFit and myself e-fighting, so I'll try to keep it to baseball from here on out. AZFit, if you have anything to say you can feel free to PM me.

yeah and coach K kinda looks like the devil

Lol, whats your medical purpose for having weed? State law doesn't matter,it's still a felony in federal court. Plus I'm sure your employers would love to know you smoke all day.

Too bad, being a fat slob from NJ isn't a crime either. If it were the whole state would be arrested.

Dude, my medical background is none of your (or anyone else's) business. Also, I've never been convicted of anything (let alone a felony) so you're incorrect in calling me a felon.

As far as my employers are concerned, I have no idea how that is relevant. I am not impaired while in the office and get my work done the same as anyone else would.

Again, sorry to Adam Grossman for hijacking the baseball thread with AZ's nonsense. AZ, if you want to continue this ridiculous e-fight, just PM me. I'm sorry you refuse to honor your debts, but I don't wanna continue wasting keystrokes on the subject.


So.....how bout them Tigers? Lookin pretty stacked.

Just becuase you havent been convicted of it, doesn't mean you're not a felon. Why don't we just call your employer and see what they think?

I'm gonna have to order the MLB Extra Innings package in order to get them.

7pm EST games means they'll be on a 4pm out here....I'll still be in work!!!

You Im on anti douchebag medicine. It keeps me immune to you

your on anti douchebag medicine? And your not having a allergic reaction?

yeah i know it sucks...training camp pulls me through the summer...Cubs use to be very high on the list but for some reason i get into the NFL off season transactions almost as much as the season. I spent the other day analyzing highlight films of running backs....lol im just straight jones'n

Yipppeeeeeeeeee!!!

When's Football start?

seriously once march madness is over ill just start beating my head against my tv

i know the nfl draft will be like a tease for football season

Yeah I think they have high hopes for Gomez. He's one of two players vying for the starting center field spot. Humber seems to be doing well also but not sure if he got a starter spot. As for the other guys, your guess is as good as mine.

We got the numbers in the trade, but you definitely got the talent.

just wait till his former infield mate gets paid. Hanley's probably going to get atleast as much if not more.

can't come soon enough bro....guess what AL

Why does that make him a scumbag? If A-Rod doesn't want people to say bad things about him, then he shouldn't do them.

They have won as many World Series as the Mets have, and in much less time.

Does that mean that they're not currently a quasi-minor league team...bringing up awesome talent, only to ship them off rather than pay them? Are you trying to somehow dispute that or just instigating?

I'm pointing out, that they can't be that bad since they've won as many World Series as the Mets have

They stocked up on talent for a couple isolated years, won 2 World Series titles, then sold everyone off.

They were way below .500 in 2006 and again in 2007 and probably will be again in 2008, so overall, they weren't that bad......but currently they are a Triple-A squad for all intents and purposes.

The Marlins never won the NL East division, even in the years they won the WS.

By that logic, the D-Backs would be better than KC, since they won their WS in a much smaller amount of time.

No, they've won more divisional playoffs.

the last game to ever be played at yankee stadium is going to be a hockey game. WTF?


"The house that Ruth built, and Yager tore down"

TOTALLY! Before the Braves ruled the NL East, I remember hating the Pirates as a kid cuz they were always better than the Mets. Those were the Bonds/Bonilla days. I think Andy Van Slyke was on there too.

HAHA...that's cuz Keith Hernandez hated Whitey Herzog and bounced to NYM to make us the ridiculously talented team we were. Best defensive 1st basemen ever...and he wasn't shy about talking shit on the Cards front office.

Dude would bat .300, make ridiculous plays in the field and be crushing Michelobs and Marlboros in the clubhouse. Goddamn, I wish I could go back in time to experience that era again.

Actually the Cards hated the Cubbies more.

Are you excited over Nate McLouth? He's supposed to have a breakout season this year.

I got him late in a fantasy draft. He's got power and speed.

Pfft... Marlins...

X. Nady and Doumit with 3 knocks each also

Looks like Pitt has the NL Central wrapped up

You're welcome for him. He is somethin else...only like 22 years old too, high ceiling. I was at his first ever MLB game at Shea last year. Kid hit a single, stole a base, scored a run, then made a diving catch the next inning. It was awesome.

Pullin for y'all. Big Nady fan.

The "X" Man

X-Man with a 3-run bomb in the 12th to win it for the buccos

Prolly right........we lose every decent player we ever had........I miss Aramis Ramirez

yeah he's been treating us rather nicely always have slow starts then his bat heats up around june julyish and it's game on

Party on Waverly

I post a pic of a hot Cubs bitch and all you can do is comment on Pedro

is that my ex?

If it is I'm gonna bytch slap you for letting it get away

Yes Sir

I felt a 'pop' once. It ended my 15+ year baseball career.

pedro walks w/ a limp

i'd plug and play w/ that for sure

It's definitely a true blue baseball stadium. The buildings behind the stadium have seats on top of them and windows all busted out from homeruns, every single attendee was drunk and had something with Cubs on it...it was pretty sweet.

can't wait to go their if been wanting to go all my life...

Mark Grace did some "slump-busters" back in the day....

Worked for him, but not for the Cubs

Pitt. is looking strong, bitches

Except they lost to the Marlins, and lost Pedro.

How'd that series against the powerhouse Reds turn out?


One series down, one series won. Ollie looking really solid yesterday...Wright mashing, already has folks talking MVP!

Word...Cueto had a hot spring and was sick today. Kid is only like 21 or 22 yrs old.

Damn Alan...X in the clutch!

better than the mets?

Pedro being out hurts...hopefully we can bounce back and some guys will step up. Our offense and field play are pretty badass, need the pitching staff to perform well. We'll see. I think we'll be OK. I think we'll win the NL East.

Cause he sucks cock.

I'm sure he's a free agent in over 90% of leagues.

It's a good thing he didn't play like Reyes when it counted. Reyes was non existent during the Mets collapse.

We have a better starting rotation and relief. We have a pretty solid offense too. Several "experts" have the D-Backs picked to win the NLCS.

any funny madden stories

Not too mention he's a better hitter than half the Mets lineup

Wow...even when I try to give the D-Backs some props.

You're probably right though. David Wright, Carlos Delgado, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Moises Alou...those guys can't swing it like Micah.

He's a better hitter than half the D-Backs line up. In college he set the record for homeruns at Tulane University.

He had a better pitching record than several of your 'Mazing Mets" last year. Especially when it counted down the stretch. Can we say "biggest choke in NL East history"?

8-8 with a 4.30 ERA was a better record than which Mets starter last year?


John Maine
15-10 3.91 ERA

Oliver Perez
15-10 3.56 ERA

El Duque
9-5 3.72 ERA

Jorge Sosa
9-8 4.47 ERA

Pedro Martinez
3-1 2.57 ERA


I guess he was better than Mike Pelfrey last year...so there ya go.

Who would take a bet with a known welcher?

That's true.

Interesting to note that he hasn't said anything about how great Drew is... cause he's not.

CBS Sportsline
Diamondbacks SS Stephen Drew, coming off a rough sophomore season in which he hit .238, went 0-for-4 with a strikeout Monday in the season opener at Cincinnati.
(Updated 03/31/2008).

Yahoo!
Mar 30 SS Stephen Drew is one of two left-handed-hitting regulars in the lineup, and if the Diamondbacks need to find playing time for super sub Chris Burke, it could come at Drew's expense, especially when the opponent throws a right-hander. Burke is a career .291 hitter against lefties.

He's clutch when it counts, which is more than I can say about you're entire line up. What Reyes BA down the stretch? .180?

He had a better ERA than Sosa, with a line up that scored less runs, and he was also a rookie. Lets look at the record of all the pitches who pitched last year for the Mets. Also, lets look at how they pitched when it counted, like September.

I love how you'll make a statement (like "Micah Owings had a better record than several Mets pitchers") then when you're completely proved wrong (every starting pitcher besdies Pelfrey had a better record than Owings) you spin it faster than Bill O'Reilly on steroids, changing the subject to a certain month of the year, rather than their "record" which was your original argument.

EDIT: Tom Glavine was 13-8...forgot to include him in my earlier post. But hey, his last outing of the year was a disgrace, so I guess that means Owings had a better record than 13-8

Lets look at the record of all the pitchers who pitched for the Mets last year. You listed 5. You even admit 2 of them had a worse year than Micah. Also, yes time of year means alot. What good is your season if you choke when the team needs a big win out of you. It's not my fault your 120 million couldn't keep you from free falling in the NL, like an Italian doing an IQ test.

If Pelfrey counts for 2 pitchers, then yes...2 pitchers had a worse record than Owings.

Those are all the Mets who started a significant amount of games (ok, you can leave Pedro off, since he only started a few games)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2007.shtml


EDIT: It's not my fault you're a racist. I don't care about Italians taking IQ tests, just refuting your ill-advised statement that Owings had a better record than several Mets starters.

Keep spinning O'Reilly. You said "better record" now your argument seems to center around run support and ERA.

I also said pitchers, you nicely posted the records of your winning starters. I juts posted several Mets pitchers with worse seasons than Owings. I also mentioned two Hitters who had a worse season than Owingas, including a guy you actually thought would do better than the D-Backs hitters

Thats almost as funny as David Wright winning the MVP

David Wright

2007
.325BA, 30HR, 34SB, 107RBI, 113R

2008
.462BA...so far, but obviously it's very early.


What's laughable about that? He'd probably have won it in '07 had the team not collapsed.

Jimmy Rollins 2007 MVP
.296BA, 30HR, 41SB, 94RBI, 139RBI

I said pitchers, and i showed you several pitchers who has worse seasons. Don't go crying to me like a bitch cuz I proved you wrong.

But the team DID collapse, especially Wright and Reyes, when it counted.

Wright batted almost .400 in August and September.

Also, I find it pathetic that you can't have a baseball debate without resorting to name-calling and racism.

Obviously we like different teams and get amped up to argue about them. No need to be so ignorant and childish.

You're kinda a strange cat, cc

lol just thought of it.....got about half can wedged...sucks to chew up though b/c it gets extra dry

tbsp of mayo?

little bit of mayo in the other cheek...then when it's swallo time...you combine the two ....sounds like a good trick lol


oh yeah baseball thread.....ummm go cubs

yeah, the little 100 years thing...a lot of articles w/ timelines of the cubbies downfalls have been mentioned a lot hear lately...oh well...5 superbowls...

AL plays with 10 players, NL plays with the traditional 9. Makes sense that they score more runs, hit more HR's, etc. They've got more bats to do it with.

The American League is a mutation of the game, IMO.

you enjoy watching randy johnson swing a bat? For purposes other than pure humor?

it's more strategy in the NL