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Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 7 2008, 07:56 PM
Sorry CC to steal the baseball thread but its a new season!

Liriano's back on the mound after Tommy John surgery and reports say he's doing awesome. Hopefully an up and coming replacement for Santana. Twins have some great talent this year, just need to stay consistent.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 9 2008, 07:45 PM
Josh Beckett is listed as day-to-day after he tweaked his back during a recent game.

Posted by: potential87 Mar 9 2008, 07:49 PM
never followed preseason in my life. April is when i start it up. I do know Wong got lit up though.

How church n the 2B doing after the collision for the mets?

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 9 2008, 07:53 PM
QUOTE (potential87 @ Mar 9 2008, 07:49 PM)
never followed preseason in my life. April is when i start it up. I do know Wong got lit up though.

How church n the 2B doing after the collision for the mets?

Dunno. I bet WillP would know. I usually don't follow preseason either but I've been interested to see how the newbs are doing after the Santana trade.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 9 2008, 07:55 PM
I think Church is ok. He was playing in the game I saw yesterday.

Posted by: potential87 Mar 9 2008, 07:56 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 9 2008, 07:53 PM)
QUOTE (potential87 @ Mar 9 2008, 07:49 PM)
never followed preseason in my life.  April is when i start it up.  I do know Wong got lit up though. 

How church n the 2B doing after the collision for the mets?

Dunno. I bet WillP would know. I usually don't follow preseason either but I've been interested to see how the newbs are doing after the Santana trade.

Oh yeah thats true. Liriano will be nice for you guys. I liked him his rookie year. He wont replace santana now, especially since Santana is in the weaker league. He'll be like Zues throwin down some lighting bolts.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 9 2008, 08:06 PM
Yeah he's still got lots of refining to do but he's probably got the most potential of any new pitcher right now. He had to change his delivery after his surgery so hopefully he can get dialed in.

Posted by: potential87 Mar 9 2008, 08:07 PM
he's still young im sure he can. its not like hes 35 tryin to just hold on for 2 more years.

Posted by: thomez Mar 9 2008, 08:11 PM
Go Tribe

Posted by: yeashescool Mar 9 2008, 09:17 PM
go orioles!

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 9 2008, 10:33 PM
O's looking improved...Tribe looking big this year.

Thomez...wanna put money on the divison winner this year? Twins vs Indians.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 9 2008, 10:46 PM
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Posted by: thomez Mar 10 2008, 04:53 AM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 9 2008, 10:33 PM)
O's looking improved...Tribe looking big this year.

Thomez...wanna put money on the divison winner this year? Twins vs Indians.

I stopped betting on sports when I got banned permanently from one of my favorite web forums laugh.gif


Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 10 2008, 09:53 AM
I think the Mets have as much of chance as a chicken does around Pedro Martinez laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 10 2008, 09:58 AM
That's why they're favored to win the World Series below the Red Sox.


Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 10 2008, 10:05 AM
According to who? Vegas has the D-Backs as the NL team with the best odds.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 10 2008, 10:13 AM
I read a column about it last week. I can't find it now and can't get into any gambling websites here at work otherwise I'd post the odds.

If you can find the WS odds post them here.

The D-Backs were 22-1 which the guy wrote was a good pick. Mets were 4-1.



Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 10 2008, 10:55 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 10 2008, 10:13 AM)
I read a column about it last week. I can't find it now and can't get into any gambling websites here at work otherwise I'd post the odds.

If you can find the WS odds post them here.

The D-Backs were 22-1 which the guy wrote was a good pick. Mets were 4-1.

Was it a NY newspaper? Why would the Mets be a much better odds winner. They won less games last year then the D-Backs, and the Snakes added another Cy Young candidate.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 10 2008, 10:57 AM
No it was online on Yahoo in the MLB section of sports. Don't know who the guy was.

Tigers were 5-1.

Dude, I don't make the odds. I'm just saying what I read.


Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 10 2008, 01:05 PM
I think either the Tigers or the Sox will win the ALCS

Posted by: Jake Varner Mar 10 2008, 01:12 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 7 2008, 07:56 PM)
Sorry CC to steal the baseball thread but its a new season!

Liriano's back on the mound after Tommy John surgery and reports say he's doing awesome. Hopefully an up and coming replacement for Santana. Twins have some great talent this year, just need to stay consistent.

Twins fan? Fuck yeah!!!!

I have my tickets for opening night at the Metrodome already.

I was front row in left field last year for opening night, pretty tits won't lie.

A buddy of mines family has season tickets that are front row in the visitors bull pen, awesome view.

Here are a few shots I got:

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Posted by: Cdubya Mar 10 2008, 01:39 PM
I'll be taking some trips to the dome as well this year, hopefully postseason too!

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 10 2008, 02:07 PM
The Twins are a well run organization. They are always playoff contenders despite a low payroll year after year. I don't think they've exceeded 60 million for a payroll in a long time

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 10 2008, 02:18 PM
Let's see how well they compete without Hunter and Santana.

Posted by: Regulator Mar 10 2008, 02:21 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 10 2008, 10:05 AM)
According to who? Vegas has the D-Backs as the NL team with the best odds.

say hello to the reason you shouldnt bet on baseball in this forum.

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 10 2008, 02:55 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 7 2008, 08:56 PM)
Sorry CC to steal the baseball thread but its a new season!

Liriano's back on the mound after Tommy John surgery and reports say he's doing awesome. Hopefully an up and coming replacement for Santana. Twins have some great talent this year, just need to stay consistent.

lol it's alright ive been getting ready for the draft and for got about baseball

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 10 2008, 03:54 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 10 2008, 02:18 PM)
Let's see how well they compete without Hunter and Santana.

Hunter was good but definitely not a go-to guy offensively. Santana on the other hand will be hard to replace. I think Morneau, Mauer, Young, and Cuddyer will be a solid offensive base. Liriano on the mound and Nathan the closer.....SHIIIIIIIIIIIIT.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 10 2008, 03:58 PM
If Liriano bombs then they're in trouble.

I'm interested to see how Humber does. I like him.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 10 2008, 06:18 PM
Yeah hopefully at least one of the newbs will turn out good. That'll go down as the worst trade in history if they all suck. That and when they traded Big Papi for......who again?

Posted by: potential87 Mar 10 2008, 09:27 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 10 2008, 06:18 PM)
Yeah hopefully at least one of the newbs will turn out good. That'll go down as the worst trade in history if they all suck. That and when they traded Big Papi for......who again?

yeah but did he grow as a red sock? i thought he was average and then sprouted with boston. Where as the twins let go of one of the best

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 10 2008, 09:47 PM
Here you go Azfit...

http://www.bodoglife.com/sports-betting/baseball-futures.jsp

Odds to win 2008 World Series:

D-backs - 18/1
Red Sox - 4/1
Mets - 9/2
Yankees - 13/2
Pirates - 150/1 for you Alan!
Twins - 50/1
Tigers - 11/2
Cubs - 14/1
Dodgers - 14/1
Angels - 11/1


Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 10 2008, 11:46 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 10 2008, 07:47 PM)
Pirates - 150/1 for you Alan!

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I'll put a nickel on it ph34r.gif

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Posted by: Cdubya Mar 10 2008, 11:54 PM
I just believe trading Santana really hurts the twins because of the pressure that will be on Liriano for his first season back..Like mentioned before, if he doesn't pitch well we're in trouble.. Really liking D Young right now though..

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 11 2008, 06:52 AM
QUOTE (potential87 @ Mar 10 2008, 09:27 PM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 10 2008, 06:18 PM)
Yeah hopefully at least one of the newbs will turn out good.  That'll go down as the worst trade in history if they all suck.  That and when they traded Big Papi for......who again?

yeah but did he grow as a red sock? i thought he was average and then sprouted with boston. Where as the twins let go of one of the best

This is true. Papi really didn't blow up until Boston.

CDub - Young's looking good. I think they've got a dangerous offense this year. If Monroe can get his act together then they'll be stacked.

Posted by: Jake Varner Mar 11 2008, 03:24 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 10 2008, 03:58 PM)
If Liriano bombs then they're in trouble.

I'm interested to see how Humber does. I like him.

I really hope they put him in the bullpen to start the year off. Let him pitch to two to four batters a few times a week to make sure they don't blow his arm out again.

If the Twins bats are what they were in 2006, I don't think I will be too worried. No one hit in 2007. Morneau, Mauer, Cuddyer, Punto, and Bartlet all had down years. They also had no production from the DH and left fielder. Its kind of hard to win with that happening.

Hopefully Craig Monroe hits 25-30 homers while playing DH and left.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 12 2008, 09:41 AM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 10 2008, 11:46 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 10 2008, 07:47 PM)
Pirates - 150/1 for you Alan!

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Those are good odds unsure.gif


I'll put a nickel on it ph34r.gif

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Actually for the Pirates those aren't bad odds.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 12 2008, 10:47 AM
Azfit, will Randy Johnson make it through April? Spring training even?


Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 12 2008, 11:14 AM
He did fine is his 1st start. He had surgery almost a year ago, and has had lots of rehab. He needs 17 wins to get to 300, I'm guessing he wants them bad. Plus I think he wants to get to 5000k's.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 12 2008, 11:15 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 12 2008, 11:14 AM)
He did fine is his 1st start. He had surgery almost a year ago, and has had lots of rehab. He needs 17 wins to get to 300, I'm guessing he wants them bad. Plus I think he wants to get to 5000k's.

How close is he to 5K?

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 12 2008, 11:21 AM
He has 4616 K's so I'm guessing at least 2 more seasons

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 12 2008, 11:30 AM
Maybe the offense can help him out this year. It sucked ass last year.


Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 12 2008, 11:33 AM
Offense in the NL sucked last year period.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 12 2008, 11:44 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 12 2008, 12:33 PM)
Offense in the NL sucked last year period.

The Mets offense didn't!! hahaha

Anyway here's that original article I told you about regarding the odds.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AroglqjbtCym5MROWmSEfogRvLYF?slug=anonbettingmansworldseri&prov=tsn&type=lgns

"Arizona. With or without Randy Johnson, this team has an imposing rotation. There isn’t a better 1-2 punch in baseball than Brandon Webb and Dan Haren, and with those guys at the top of the playoff rotation, Arizona would be brutal to face in October. Getting to the playoffs might be a problem, though. The bullpen has been reshuffled, with Jose Valverde gone to Houston and Brandon Lyon taking over closing duties. The offense was plain bad last year, as their .321 on-base percentage ranked last in the N.L., and the West is a very tough division. But at 22/1, I’ll take ‘em"


Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 12 2008, 12:49 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 12 2008, 11:44 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 12 2008, 12:33 PM)
Offense in the NL sucked last year period.

The Mets offense didn't!! hahaha


Except for the last two weeks of September

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 12 2008, 05:35 PM
Bench clearing brawl in the Rays v Yankees game. Dude slid into 2nd with HIGH spikes...all hell broke loose.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 13 2008, 01:16 PM
Billy Crystal struck out in the bottom of the first biggrin.gif

He fouled a sharply hit ground ball, though mad.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 13 2008, 02:08 PM
He only got 1 at bat. What a ripoff.


Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 13 2008, 02:13 PM
I know.........Damon took over as DH biggrin.gif

This type of shit is ridiculous............Crystal ran the count to 3-1, though.. ohmy.gif

Adam LaRoche woulda never lived it down if he woulda walked him huh.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 13 2008, 02:15 PM
I wonder what he threw him on 3-1 and 3-2. If he threw him anything but a fastball it's not fair. laugh.gif

3-1 would be great though. Just sit on the heat.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 13 2008, 02:17 PM
He whiffed on 2 88 mph fastballs cool.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 13 2008, 02:19 PM
That's some heat if you're not used to seeing it everyday.


Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 14 2008, 01:07 AM
For Willp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YphEUa5LPjM&feature=related

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Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 14 2008, 07:29 AM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 14 2008, 02:07 AM)
For Willp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YphEUa5LPjM&feature=related

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"could you imagine Bill Parcells wearing his Giants uniform"

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 14 2008, 08:38 AM
Ouch. unsure.gif

Cubs center fielder Felix Pie won’t play until Sunday. Pie underwent an outpatient surgical procedure Monday to correct what the Cubs described as “testicular torsion.” Originally, the Cubs had hoped Pie could play Friday or Saturday.


Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 14 2008, 08:43 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 14 2008, 08:38 AM)
Ouch. unsure.gif

Cubs center fielder Felix Pie won’t play until Sunday. Pie underwent an outpatient surgical procedure Monday to correct what the Cubs described as “testicular torsion.” Originally, the Cubs had hoped Pie could play Friday or Saturday.

Testicular torsion = twisted balls


OUCH ohmy.gif

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 15 2008, 03:21 PM
Went to a Phillies v Twins spring training game today....Twins rocked 'em. Perfect day outside for baseball...80 degrees and sunny with a steady breeze. cool.gif

Posted by: Regulator Mar 15 2008, 06:36 PM
is it possible the new steinbrenner is a bigger dick they georgey boy?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3294998


gotta love it...he probably pays the rays more than the rays do

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 18 2008, 05:46 PM
Mauer's tearin it up in spring training! Hopefully a vision of things to come...

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 18 2008, 05:50 PM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Mar 15 2008, 06:36 PM)
is it possible the new steinbrenner is a bigger dick they georgey boy?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3294998


gotta love it...he probably pays the rays more than the rays do

He is a dickbag just like his old man. There was an interview that asked him iif we were turning into a "Red Sox Nation" and he got all butthurt and said "Well you don't see Red Sox hats and jackets everywhere, its still always Yankees hats and jackets".

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 18 2008, 11:02 PM
VT lost to the Yankees today. sad.gif

Watching the replay now.


Posted by: Regulator Mar 19 2008, 10:29 AM
do the college guys have to use wooden bats?

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 19 2008, 10:31 AM
They can use metal or wood, but if most of the players choose metal you'd be stupid not to do the same.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 19 2008, 10:31 AM
Yeah they did.

It was a 7 inning game and it was only 4-0 at the 5th inning.

Must've been a great time for the VT guys. I mean it was the freaking Yankees that they were playing.




Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 20 2008, 09:32 PM
Nice! Another baseball thread for the new season. AZFit, wanna make some stat-driven bets, only to lose, refuse to pay and ultimately reveal to everyone what a deadbeat you are?

GOOD TIMES!

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 20 2008, 09:36 PM
How about the next time in in Socal, I meet you, and we fight for it? Oh wait, you actually want to win the money, never mind.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 20 2008, 09:38 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 09:36 PM)
How about the next time in in Socal, I meet you, and we fight for it? Oh wait, you actually want to win the money, never mind.

WTF are you talking about? Come to SoCal and fight me for it? Dude, I won that bet fair and square. If you refuse to pay then you're a deadbeat. It sucks, but hey...lotta people in this world suck really bad and I suppose we've gotta tolerate them.

I'm sure it's in the mail though, right? Just sent it out, right? What a joke.

Posted by: Regulator Mar 20 2008, 09:40 PM
remember when Jswole offered to buy az a plane ticket to come out and fight him laugh.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 20 2008, 09:40 PM
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 20 2008, 09:43 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 09:40 PM)
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

Again, WTF are you talking about? If I were a man? Weak bro.

"As far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season" is clearly not justification for not paying, since Reyes won the statistical bet far and away. Not that it matters how much I won by, a win is a win.

Mind numbingly annoying that you're yapping about me "not being a man" when you're the one who's welching on a friendly $50 baseball bet. What is that? Who does that? So weak.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 20 2008, 09:51 PM
What was friendly about it? You were a douchebag the whole season.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 20 2008, 09:55 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

You've got to be kidding.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 20 2008, 09:56 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 09:51 PM)
You were a douchebag the whole season.

Right back atcha slick...doesn't make the bet any less real.

Plus, WTF does that have to do with anything? "Waaa, I don't wanna honor my bets because you talked smack to me on the internet about baseball...waaaa" Seriously, WTF???

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 20 2008, 09:56 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

You've got to be kidding.

Did I say something funny to imply it's a joke?

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 20 2008, 09:58 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

You've got to be kidding.

Did I say something funny to imply it's a joke?

Just answer this question with either yes or no.

Did you lose the bet between Reyes and Drew based on the agreed upon criteria?


Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 20 2008, 10:01 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

You've got to be kidding.

Did I say something funny to imply it's a joke?

Just answer this question with either yes or no.

Did you lose the bet between Reyes and Drew based on the agreed upon criteria?

IMO, no

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 20 2008, 10:03 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:01 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

You've got to be kidding.

Did I say something funny to imply it's a joke?

Just answer this question with either yes or no.

Did you lose the bet between Reyes and Drew based on the agreed upon criteria?

IMO, no

What does "IMO" have to do with the agreed upon statistics that determined the outcome of the bet?

That's the beauty of a bet like that...there is no "opinion"...either you win or you lose, and the statistics are black and white to avoid any gray area dilemmas.

Clearly, I was the winner and AZFit refused to pay because he's a deadbeat.

QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 14 2007, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 19 2007, 02:33 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 19 2007, 12:06 PM)
OK, so here goes again. $50 on the sum total of these categories. I'm down, let me know if you are.

BA + XBH + R + RBI + TB

Or, if you'd like to add SB, I'm fine with that too, let me know.


Those categories work fine for me. It will give by most peoples standards a pretty good assement of overall offensive contribution.



It's a final...

Reyes vs Drew Final Season Totals

Jose
.280BA + 119R + 57RBI + 60xBH + 287TB = 803

Stephen
.238BA + 60R + 60RBI + 44xBH + 201TB = 603

Posted by: accent115 Mar 20 2008, 10:24 PM
You know i bet my friend 20 bucks that duke would lose, but imo they only won by 2 and thats not really winning so im not gonna pay.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 20 2008, 10:33 PM
QUOTE (accent115 @ Mar 20 2008, 10:24 PM)
You know i bet my friend 20 bucks that duke would lose, but imo they only won by 2 and thats not really winning so im not gonna pay.

You're so right. Plus, those Duke guys can be real douchebags, so that win doesn't count. They're not men.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 20 2008, 10:35 PM
QUOTE (accent115 @ Mar 20 2008, 08:24 PM)
You know i bet my friend 20 bucks that duke would lose, but imo they only won by 2 and thats not really winning so im not gonna pay.

They won by 1 ph34r.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 12:22 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 20 2008, 10:03 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:01 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:58 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:56 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 20 2008, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 20 2008, 10:40 PM)
No, it's not in the mail. If you were a man I'd honor the bet, but you aren.t Plus as far as I'm concerned Drew had a better season since he was clutch when it counts.

You've got to be kidding.

Did I say something funny to imply it's a joke?

Just answer this question with either yes or no.

Did you lose the bet between Reyes and Drew based on the agreed upon criteria?

IMO, no

What does "IMO" have to do with the agreed upon statistics that determined the outcome of the bet?

That's the beauty of a bet like that...there is no "opinion"...either you win or you lose, and the statistics are black and white to avoid any gray area dilemmas.

Clearly, I was the winner and AZFit refused to pay because he's a deadbeat.

QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Sep 14 2007, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 19 2007, 02:33 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 19 2007, 12:06 PM)
OK, so here goes again. $50 on the sum total of these categories. I'm down, let me know if you are.

BA + XBH + R + RBI + TB

Or, if you'd like to add SB, I'm fine with that too, let me know.


Those categories work fine for me. It will give by most peoples standards a pretty good assement of overall offensive contribution.



It's a final...

Reyes vs Drew Final Season Totals

Jose
.280BA + 119R + 57RBI + 60xBH + 287TB = 803

Stephen
.238BA + 60R + 60RBI + 44xBH + 201TB = 603

How about if we include Reyes post season stats, i mean he did so well... oops, never mind laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 21 2008, 12:57 AM
You're right. Mets missed the playoffs, totally negates our wager. rolleyes.gif

Deadbeat.



On a brighter note....

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Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 21 2008, 01:02 AM
Lose the fuckin' bet, pay the fuck up.......simple as that.......be a fuckin' man and avoid bad karma........same goes for Opfor.........buy some product from a fellow BN member and then stiff him.......bad fukkin' MOJO all the way around...... mad.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 01:23 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 21 2008, 12:57 AM)


Deadbeat.




Druggie felon laugh.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 21 2008, 01:27 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 21 2008, 01:23 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 21 2008, 12:57 AM)


Deadbeat.




Druggie felon laugh.gif

I live in California now bro. Got my medical card...I'm on the right side of the law. Sorry to burst your bubble.

http://www.safeaccessnow.net/doctors.htm

...but you're still a deadbeat welcher.



EDIT: Although it's frustrating for me to have followed this bet all year, only to win in the end and never get paid what's due......I bet it's annoying to read AZFit and myself e-fighting, so I'll try to keep it to baseball from here on out. AZFit, if you have anything to say you can feel free to PM me.

Posted by: accent115 Mar 21 2008, 09:49 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 20 2008, 10:33 PM)
QUOTE (accent115 @ Mar 20 2008, 10:24 PM)
You know i bet my friend 20 bucks that duke would lose, but imo they only won by 2 and thats not really winning so im not gonna pay.

You're so right. Plus, those Duke guys can be real douchebags, so that win doesn't count. They're not men.

yeah and coach K kinda looks like the devil

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 09:54 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 21 2008, 01:27 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 21 2008, 01:23 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 21 2008, 12:57 AM)


Deadbeat.




Druggie felon laugh.gif

I live in California now bro. Got my medical card...I'm on the right side of the law. Sorry to burst your bubble.

http://www.safeaccessnow.net/doctors.htm

...but you're still a deadbeat welcher.



EDIT: Although it's frustrating for me to have followed this bet all year, only to win in the end and never get paid what's due......I bet it's annoying to read AZFit and myself e-fighting, so I'll try to keep it to baseball from here on out. AZFit, if you have anything to say you can feel free to PM me.

Lol, whats your medical purpose for having weed? State law doesn't matter,it's still a felony in federal court. Plus I'm sure your employers would love to know you smoke all day.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 21 2008, 10:06 AM
Too bad welching on a bet isn't a crime.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 10:28 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 21 2008, 10:06 AM)
Too bad welching on a bet isn't a crime.

Too bad, being a fat slob from NJ isn't a crime either. If it were the whole state would be arrested.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 21 2008, 10:28 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 21 2008, 09:54 AM)
Lol, whats your medical purpose for having weed? State law doesn't matter,it's still a felony in federal court. Plus I'm sure your employers would love to know you smoke all day.

Dude, my medical background is none of your (or anyone else's) business. Also, I've never been convicted of anything (let alone a felony) so you're incorrect in calling me a felon.

As far as my employers are concerned, I have no idea how that is relevant. I am not impaired while in the office and get my work done the same as anyone else would.

Again, sorry to Adam Grossman for hijacking the baseball thread with AZ's nonsense. AZ, if you want to continue this ridiculous e-fight, just PM me. I'm sorry you refuse to honor your debts, but I don't wanna continue wasting keystrokes on the subject.


So.....how bout them Tigers? Lookin pretty stacked.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 10:29 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 21 2008, 10:28 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 21 2008, 09:54 AM)
Lol, whats your medical purpose for having weed? State law doesn't matter,it's still a felony in federal court. Plus I'm sure your employers would love to know you smoke all day.

Dude, my medical background is none of your (or anyone else's) business. Also, I've never been convicted of anything (let alone a felony) so you're incorrect in calling me a felon.

As far as my employers are concerned, I have no idea how that is relevant. I am not impaired while in the office and get my work done the same as anyone else would.

Again, sorry to Adam Grossman for hijacking the baseball thread with AZ's nonsense. AZ, if you want to continue this ridiculous e-fight, just PM me. I'm sorry you refuse to honor your debts, but I don't wanna continue wasting keystrokes on the subject.


So.....how bout them Tigers? Lookin pretty stacked.

Just becuase you havent been convicted of it, doesn't mean you're not a felon. Why don't we just call your employer and see what they think?

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 21 2008, 10:33 AM
Great idea bro, I'll get right on that.


So, anyway.......baseball eh?

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 21 2008, 10:38 AM
Tigers are sick. That lineup is out of control.


Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 21 2008, 10:42 AM
JW, you get Mets games out there?

Santana threw 6 scoreless with 7Ks last night against the Orioles (yeah I know basically a AAA team).


Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 21 2008, 10:46 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 21 2008, 10:42 AM)
JW, you get Mets games out there?

Santana threw 6 scoreless with 7Ks last night against the Orioles (yeah I know basically a AAA team).

I'm gonna have to order the MLB Extra Innings package in order to get them.

7pm EST games means they'll be on a 4pm out here....I'll still be in work!!! unsure.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 21 2008, 10:47 AM
What time do you get home? You'll see the end of it at least.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 21 2008, 10:50 AM
I get off at 5pm, home by 5:20pm. I might see if I can DVR the games and start them from the beginning when I get home.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 21 2008, 10:51 AM
Ahh yes DVR. I'm low tech so I never think of that.

I think Maine is going to have a great year.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 21 2008, 11:02 AM
Leave it up to AZ to ruin another thread.

Yes, the Tigers are stacked this year. The whole AL central is good this year, hell even the Royals have some great players. I'd probably go as far to say the AL Central is the best division in baseball this year.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 11:18 AM
QUOTE (Roids @ Mar 21 2008, 10:35 AM)
You on any meds by chance azfit? Ever think maybe you should be? rolleyes.gif

You Im on anti douchebag medicine. It keeps me immune to you laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Regulator Mar 21 2008, 11:21 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 21 2008, 11:18 AM)
QUOTE (Roids @ Mar 21 2008, 10:35 AM)
You on any meds by chance azfit?  Ever think maybe you should be?  rolleyes.gif

You Im on anti douchebag medicine. It keeps me immune to you laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

your on anti douchebag medicine? And your not having a allergic reaction?

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 11:23 AM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Mar 21 2008, 11:21 AM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 21 2008, 11:18 AM)
QUOTE (Roids @ Mar 21 2008, 10:35 AM)
You on any meds by chance azfit?  Ever think maybe you should be?  rolleyes.gif

You Im on anti douchebag medicine. It keeps me immune to you laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

your on anti douchebag medicine? And your not having a allergic reaction?

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 21 2008, 11:30 AM
Seriously? Its a thread about baseball. Take this shit somewhere else.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 21 2008, 11:37 AM
I think it will be the Tigers and BoSox in the ALCS, and the D-Backs and Cubs in the NLCS

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 21 2008, 11:42 AM
Sporting News predicts BoSox and D-backs in the World Series, BoSox to win.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 21 2008, 12:32 PM
I'm watching Pedro pitch against the Nationals while pounding some Pepsi Max.

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 21 2008, 05:54 PM
watched a little bit of the cubs game 2day

happy for my reserve coach back in high school finally go the nod to be varsity..

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 21 2008, 06:28 PM
Yeah Cubbies got beat up. When they don't win the World Series this year, it'll be 100 YEARS since their last WS title. That's gotta suck.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 21 2008, 06:31 PM
Pedro looking solid this spring, says he's feeling as good as he has in years. Bodes well for the Amazins.

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 21 2008, 08:01 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 21 2008, 07:28 PM)
Yeah Cubbies got beat up. When they don't win the World Series this year, it'll be 100 YEARS since their last WS title. That's gotta suck.

yeah i know it sucks...training camp pulls me through the summer...Cubs use to be very high on the list but for some reason i get into the NFL off season transactions almost as much as the season. I spent the other day analyzing highlight films of running backs....lol im just straight jones'n

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 22 2008, 11:30 AM
The Cubbies are under HUGE pressure to win this year.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 23 2008, 10:57 AM
Opening day is only a week away!

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 23 2008, 11:14 AM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 23 2008, 08:57 AM)
Opening day is only a week away!

Yipppeeeeeeeeee!!! mad.gif

When's Football start? biggrin.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 23 2008, 01:34 PM
Baseball can't come soon enough.

Watching the Mets right now.

Posted by: accent115 Mar 23 2008, 02:12 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 23 2008, 11:14 AM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 23 2008, 08:57 AM)
Opening day is only a week away!

Yipppeeeeeeeeee!!! mad.gif

When's Football start? biggrin.gif

seriously once march madness is over ill just start beating my head against my tv

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 23 2008, 02:16 PM
QUOTE (accent115 @ Mar 23 2008, 03:12 PM)
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 23 2008, 11:14 AM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 23 2008, 08:57 AM)
Opening day is only a week away!

Yipppeeeeeeeeee!!! mad.gif

When's Football start? biggrin.gif

seriously once march madness is over ill just start beating my head against my tv

i know the nfl draft will be like a tease for football season

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 23 2008, 02:32 PM
Alright get that football shit outta here.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 23 2008, 02:51 PM
Liriano's starting to look strong now. They said today would be his real test to see if his elbow was good and if he had control of his pitches. 5 K's, no hits, no runs in 4 innings.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 23 2008, 09:29 PM
I read somewhere that Liriano is back to full strength and looking good. What do you think of the guys you got in the Santana deal? That kid Gomez is raw and young and fast as hell. You got Humber too right?

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 23 2008, 09:47 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 23 2008, 09:29 PM)
I read somewhere that Liriano is back to full strength and looking good. What do you think of the guys you got in the Santana deal? That kid Gomez is raw and young and fast as hell. You got Humber too right?

Yeah I think they have high hopes for Gomez. He's one of two players vying for the starting center field spot. Humber seems to be doing well also but not sure if he got a starter spot. As for the other guys, your guess is as good as mine.

We got the numbers in the trade, but you definitely got the talent. mad.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 24 2008, 10:28 AM
I need to figure out a way to become good friends with Miguel Cabrera, holy shit thats alot of money.

Posted by: Regulator Mar 24 2008, 10:47 AM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 24 2008, 10:28 AM)
I need to figure out a way to become good friends with Miguel Cabrera, holy shit thats alot of money.

just wait till his former infield mate gets paid. Hanley's probably going to get atleast as much if not more.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 24 2008, 10:49 AM
Think Florida's gonna ante up that kind of money?


Posted by: Regulator Mar 24 2008, 10:52 AM
no chance in hell

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 24 2008, 10:52 AM
I think Hanley will make good money, but not that kind of money.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 24 2008, 10:52 AM
Boston will get him back.


Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 24 2008, 08:47 PM
Gotta love the Marlins....basically a Triple-A affiliate for the larger market teams. They bring up sick young talent, then their contract comes up and they're off...

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 24 2008, 11:18 PM
Definitely. I didn't know they traded D-Train to the Tigers. Tigers are fucking STACKED this year.

Twins signed Joe Nathan for 4 more years. Dude's got as many saves as Mariano Rivera in the last 4 years.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 24 2008, 11:18 PM
Twins sent Humber to AAA today.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 24 2008, 11:22 PM
Christ did Humber have elbow surgery too? Good thing no one took my bets this year...

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 24 2008, 11:26 PM
Just watched a video of the BoSox in Japan. Those people go fucking apeshit for baseball.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 24 2008, 11:28 PM
Is it Football season yet? unsure.gif

mad.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 24 2008, 11:30 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 25 2008, 12:28 AM)
Is it Football season yet? unsure.gif

mad.gif

can't come soon enough bro....guess what AL

Posted by: AK87 Mar 25 2008, 09:27 PM
I'm not to into baseball
but what do you guys think of the Jays this year?

My friends who follow the MLB say they got a good shot at the wild card spot this year
But they already lost 1 guy for the year and B.J. Ryan will be about 1 month before he is implemented into the lineup

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 26 2008, 09:08 AM
They have a decent lineup this year. Still got the Big Hurt!

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 27 2008, 09:40 AM
Canseco's trying to nark out A-Rod. What a scumbag.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spwally275627508mar27,0,5195886.column

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 27 2008, 09:43 AM
We don't know what baseball did to Canseco. There's a reason he didn't play for a few more years. He never tested positive, he was never suspended. He still had lots left in the tank.

He got pissed off and called out the owners and baseball on AAS. I'm sure his allegations about being used by baseball owners to spread AAS use to their players is true.


Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 27 2008, 09:47 AM
There's food for thought....

Posted by: ShakesAllDay Mar 27 2008, 09:48 AM
Fuck a baseball thread. The only thing baseball is good for are brats and beer!




POOP!

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 27 2008, 09:49 AM
Nice input.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 27 2008, 10:04 AM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Mar 27 2008, 09:40 AM)
Canseco's trying to nark out A-Rod. What a scumbag.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spwally275627508mar27,0,5195886.column

Why does that make him a scumbag? If A-Rod doesn't want people to say bad things about him, then he shouldn't do them.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 27 2008, 10:05 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 24 2008, 08:47 PM)
Gotta love the Marlins....basically a Triple-A affiliate for the larger market teams. They bring up sick young talent, then their contract comes up and they're off...

They have won as many World Series as the Mets have, and in much less time.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 27 2008, 09:14 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 27 2008, 10:05 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 24 2008, 08:47 PM)
Gotta love the Marlins....basically a Triple-A affiliate for the larger market teams.  They bring up sick young talent, then their contract comes up and they're off...

They have won as many World Series as the Mets have, and in much less time.

Does that mean that they're not currently a quasi-minor league team...bringing up awesome talent, only to ship them off rather than pay them? Are you trying to somehow dispute that or just instigating? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 27 2008, 09:20 PM
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080326&content_id=2459323&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

Pedro's arm is feeling good and he's had an awesome spring! If he can stay healthy and pitch well, the Mets are gonna be really dangerous come September/October. I think he's the key.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 27 2008, 09:40 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 27 2008, 09:14 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 27 2008, 10:05 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 24 2008, 08:47 PM)
Gotta love the Marlins....basically a Triple-A affiliate for the larger market teams.  They bring up sick young talent, then their contract comes up and they're off...

They have won as many World Series as the Mets have, and in much less time.

Does that mean that they're not currently a quasi-minor league team...bringing up awesome talent, only to ship them off rather than pay them? Are you trying to somehow dispute that or just instigating? rolleyes.gif

I'm pointing out, that they can't be that bad since they've won as many World Series as the Mets have

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 27 2008, 09:47 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 27 2008, 09:40 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 27 2008, 09:14 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 27 2008, 10:05 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 24 2008, 08:47 PM)
Gotta love the Marlins....basically a Triple-A affiliate for the larger market teams.  They bring up sick young talent, then their contract comes up and they're off...

They have won as many World Series as the Mets have, and in much less time.

Does that mean that they're not currently a quasi-minor league team...bringing up awesome talent, only to ship them off rather than pay them? Are you trying to somehow dispute that or just instigating? rolleyes.gif

I'm pointing out, that they can't be that bad since they've won as many World Series as the Mets have

They stocked up on talent for a couple isolated years, won 2 World Series titles, then sold everyone off.

They were way below .500 in 2006 and again in 2007 and probably will be again in 2008, so overall, they weren't that bad......but currently they are a Triple-A squad for all intents and purposes.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 27 2008, 09:55 PM
They won as many division titles as the Mets did last year.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 27 2008, 10:01 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Mar 27 2008, 09:55 PM)
They won as many division titles as the Mets did last year.

The Marlins never won the NL East division, even in the years they won the WS.

Posted by: Regulator Mar 27 2008, 10:04 PM
"IM NOT TOUCHING YOU!!"


AZFITTRAINER

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 28 2008, 07:38 AM
So then according to Assfit's retarded logic the D-backs are just as good as the Royals since they both have one World Series win.


Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 28 2008, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 28 2008, 07:38 AM)
So then according to Assfit's retarded logic the D-backs are just as good as the Royals since they both have one World Series win.

By that logic, the D-Backs would be better than KC, since they won their WS in a much smaller amount of time.

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 28 2008, 09:45 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 28 2008, 07:38 AM)
So then according to Assfit's retarded logic the D-backs are just as good as the Royals since they both have one World Series win.

No, they've won more divisional playoffs.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 28 2008, 09:46 AM
I can't wait for baseball to just start already!

(aside from those 2 games in Japan that no one cared about)

Only about 48 hours to go...

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 28 2008, 09:48 AM
Word. That Japan thing was a huge waste of time.

I didn't even get to see the freaking games.

Some douchebag here at work is selling 3 opening day Yankee tickets for $500.

Posted by: Regulator Mar 28 2008, 10:01 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 28 2008, 09:48 AM)
Word. That Japan thing was a huge waste of time.

I didn't even get to see the freaking games.

Some douchebag here at work is selling 3 opening day Yankee tickets for $500.

the last game to ever be played at yankee stadium is going to be a hockey game. WTF?


"The house that Ruth built, and Yager tore down"

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 29 2008, 10:55 AM
Opening Day won't come fast enough!

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 29 2008, 01:34 PM
I'm watching a replay of the Mets division clinching win against the Phillies in 1988.

All of the players look small as fuck. laugh.gif


Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 29 2008, 02:33 PM
Alan's favorite player...

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Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 29 2008, 02:37 PM
I love "The Kulve"

Candyman was bomb, though.........

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Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 29 2008, 02:39 PM
laugh.gif awesome.

What a badass...

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Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 29 2008, 02:43 PM
Mad Doggy at the hot corner was awesome biggrin.gif

The Cobra would prolly be my all time fave, though.........

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Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 29 2008, 02:45 PM
Bobby BO.............

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Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 29 2008, 02:47 PM
I still have one of these...........

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"We Are Family"...... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 29 2008, 02:48 PM
"chicks dig my 'stache"

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Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 29 2008, 02:54 PM
laugh.gif

Can't believe that fucker scored from 2nd on that "seeing eye" single to left by Francisco Cabrera and Bonds throw was offline in the '92 NLCS.

Fucking Bream had a piano on his back and fuckin' Bonds couldn't dot him at the dish........Pitt hasn't had a winning season since........ mad.gif

We had some pretty good battles with The Mets in the late 80's and early 90's.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 29 2008, 04:04 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 29 2008, 02:54 PM)
We had some pretty good battles with The Mets in the late 80's and early 90's.

TOTALLY! Before the Braves ruled the NL East, I remember hating the Pirates as a kid cuz they were always better than the Mets. Those were the Bonds/Bonilla days. I think Andy Van Slyke was on there too.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 29 2008, 04:08 PM
Bonds, Bonilla, and VanSlyke was one of the best outfields ever........they just sucked ass hitting in post season mad.gif

Remember "Spanky" LaValliere behind the dish...... laugh.gif

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Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 29 2008, 04:37 PM
Mets were also tangled with the Cards back in the mid 80's.

They hated each other. Of course the whole NL hated the Mets in that era.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 29 2008, 04:43 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 29 2008, 04:37 PM)
Mets were also tangled with the Cards back in the mid 80's.

They hated each other. Of course the whole NL hated the Mets in that era.

HAHA...that's cuz Keith Hernandez hated Whitey Herzog and bounced to NYM to make us the ridiculously talented team we were. Best defensive 1st basemen ever...and he wasn't shy about talking shit on the Cards front office.

Dude would bat .300, make ridiculous plays in the field and be crushing Michelobs and Marlboros in the clubhouse. Goddamn, I wish I could go back in time to experience that era again.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 29 2008, 04:47 PM
Did you know that Whitey Herzog basically set up the team that won the '69 world series?

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 30 2008, 06:48 PM
20 more minutes until the baseball season!!!


Posted by: cc-10 Mar 30 2008, 09:02 PM
watched some of braves and nats 2nite....starting to get excited about baseball

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 31 2008, 10:36 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 29 2008, 04:37 PM)
Mets were also tangled with the Cards back in the mid 80's.

They hated each other. Of course the whole NL hated the Mets in that era.

Actually the Cards hated the Cubbies more.

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 31 2008, 11:00 AM
OPENING DAY MUDDACHUKKAS!

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 31 2008, 12:19 PM
Jays and Spankees goin' right now rolleyes.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 31 2008, 01:26 PM
They're in a rain delay.

Home for lunch right now watching the Tigers.

Posted by: derek99512 Mar 31 2008, 01:52 PM
The Jays are going to be sick this year for sure.














































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Posted by: cc-10 Mar 31 2008, 02:31 PM
watching the cubs

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 31 2008, 03:04 PM
rain delay is gay

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 31 2008, 03:07 PM
Pittsburgh all the way biggrin.gif ............At least til they're eliminated from contention by May mad.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 31 2008, 03:08 PM
that's true then u can focus on training camp

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 31 2008, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 31 2008, 04:07 PM)
Pittsburgh all the way biggrin.gif ............At least til they're eliminated from contention by May mad.gif

Are you excited over Nate McLouth? He's supposed to have a breakout season this year.

I got him late in a fantasy draft. He's got power and speed.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 31 2008, 03:15 PM
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We develope 'em..........other teams eventually take 'em..........same bs diff year mad.gif

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 31 2008, 04:19 PM
Torres' Dodgers spankin the Giants.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 31 2008, 04:38 PM
Mets dropping loads all over the Marlins!!

Posted by: ftank Mar 31 2008, 04:49 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 31 2008, 04:38 PM)
Mets dropping loads all over the Marlins!!

Pfft... Marlins...

Posted by: azfittrainer Mar 31 2008, 04:50 PM
Snakes won!!!

Posted by: cc-10 Mar 31 2008, 07:29 PM
the cubbies shit all over themselve 2day in the 10th....god damn kerry wood

Posted by: AdamGrossman Mar 31 2008, 08:55 PM
YEEEAAAAAAAH TWINS! Now just do it 161 more times!

Santana looks worth every penny. WillP and JW can both suck cocks in hell. tongue.gif dry.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 31 2008, 09:16 PM
Santana looked awesome!

Alan, how about McLouth! Homer and 4 Rbi's so far!

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 31 2008, 09:29 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Mar 31 2008, 07:16 PM)
Santana looked awesome!

Alan, how about McLouth! Homer and 4 Rbi's so far!

X. Nady and Doumit with 3 knocks each also biggrin.gif

Looks like Pitt has the NL Central wrapped up laugh.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Mar 31 2008, 09:31 PM
They have a great shot with the other shit teams in that division. You know the Cubs who are favored will find a way to choke.

84 wins should take it. laugh.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 31 2008, 09:32 PM
7IP, 3H, 2ER, 2BB, 8K

I'd say that's a solid start...

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Hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jake Varner Mar 31 2008, 11:01 PM
Carlos Gomez = Stud

Double, single, two stolen bases, and two runs.

I had tickets for the game but sold them this afternoon. We got a rain/snowstorm here in the upper mid-west and didn't want to dump my car in the ditch on the way home.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 31 2008, 11:05 PM
QUOTE (Jake Varner @ Mar 31 2008, 11:01 PM)
Carlos Gomez = Stud

Double, single, two stolen bases, and two runs.

You're welcome for him. He is somethin else...only like 22 years old too, high ceiling. I was at his first ever MLB game at Shea last year. Kid hit a single, stole a base, scored a run, then made a diving catch the next inning. It was awesome.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 31 2008, 11:12 PM
Pitt won biggrin.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Mar 31 2008, 11:18 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Mar 31 2008, 11:12 PM)
Pitt won biggrin.gif

Pullin for y'all. Big Nady fan.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 31 2008, 11:21 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Mar 31 2008, 09:18 PM)
Pullin for y'all.  Big Nady fan.

The "X" Man smile.gif

X-Man with a 3-run bomb in the 12th to win it for the buccos tongue.gif

Posted by: Regulator Mar 31 2008, 11:29 PM
all winter its been in the pittsburgh news that they are prbably going to deal bay or the x man before the season is up.

Posted by: Alan115396 Mar 31 2008, 11:32 PM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Mar 31 2008, 09:29 PM)
all winter its been in the pittsburgh news that they are prbably going to deal bay or the x man before the season is up.

Prolly right........we lose every decent player we ever had........I miss Aramis Ramirez sad.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 1 2008, 01:29 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Apr 1 2008, 12:32 AM)
QUOTE (Regulator @ Mar 31 2008, 09:29 PM)
all winter its been in the pittsburgh news that they are prbably going to deal bay or the x man before the season is up.

Prolly right........we lose every decent player we ever had........I miss Aramis Ramirez sad.gif

yeah he's been treating us rather nicely always have slow starts then his bat heats up around june julyish and it's game on

Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 1 2008, 09:19 PM
Going to Wrigley Field tomorrow to see what I can see. Never been there before and it'll be my first and probly last time in Chicago. I'll post up some pics if I can.

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 1 2008, 09:43 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 1 2008, 07:19 PM)
Going to Wrigley Field tomorrow to see what I can see. Never been there before and it'll be my first and probly last time in Chicago. I'll post up some pics if I can.

Party on Waverly cool.gif

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smile.gif

Posted by: Regulator Apr 1 2008, 11:20 PM
pedro looked good today

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 1 2008, 11:26 PM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Apr 1 2008, 09:20 PM)
pedro looked good today

I post a pic of a hot Cubs bitch and all you can do is comment on Pedro wink.gif

Posted by: yeashescool Apr 1 2008, 11:59 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Apr 1 2008, 09:43 PM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 1 2008, 07:19 PM)
Going to Wrigley Field tomorrow to see what I can see.  Never been there before and it'll be my first and probly last time in Chicago.  I'll post up some pics if I can.

Party on Waverly cool.gif

user posted image


smile.gif

is that my ex? blink.gif

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 2 2008, 12:06 AM
QUOTE (yeashescool @ Apr 1 2008, 09:59 PM)
is that my ex? blink.gif

If it is I'm gonna bytch slap you for letting it get away cool.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 2 2008, 12:17 AM
Pedro said he felt a "pop"...great.

Is that Jennifer Sterger in that pic?

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 2 2008, 12:21 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 1 2008, 10:17 PM)
Is that Jennifer Sterger in that pic?

Yes Sir tongue.gif

Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 2 2008, 09:04 AM
Gorgeous. Good ol' midwestern white bred, corn fed girls.

Posted by: ShakesAllDay Apr 2 2008, 09:24 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 2 2008, 12:17 AM)
Pedro said he felt a "pop"...great.

Is that Jennifer Sterger in that pic?

I felt a 'pop' once. It ended my 15+ year baseball career. sad.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 2 2008, 02:32 PM
QUOTE (ShakesAllDay @ Apr 2 2008, 10:24 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 2 2008, 12:17 AM)
Pedro said he felt a "pop"...great.

Is that Jennifer Sterger in that pic?

I felt a 'pop' once. It ended my 15+ year baseball career. sad.gif

pedro walks w/ a limp

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 2 2008, 03:39 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Apr 1 2008, 10:43 PM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 1 2008, 07:19 PM)
Going to Wrigley Field tomorrow to see what I can see.  Never been there before and it'll be my first and probly last time in Chicago.  I'll post up some pics if I can.

Party on Waverly cool.gif

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smile.gif

i'd plug and play w/ that for sure

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 2 2008, 11:06 PM
Mets offense droppin loads tonight!!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=280402128

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 2 2008, 11:09 PM
ryan dempster w/ the start 2morow....cubbies 0-3 unless we unload thelumber some how

Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 2 2008, 11:10 PM
Snapped a couple good pics at Wrigley. We got there after the game was done and got to see Pie and Soriano leaving the stadium...Soriano with his 3 carat diamond earring getting into his gold Escalade. I'll post up the pics when I get back home.

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 2 2008, 11:19 PM
amazing i have yet to make it to wrigley...that will be mys ummer trip next yr.....this yr gotta save up for texas stadium

Posted by: thomez Apr 2 2008, 11:21 PM
Fausto Carmona started off the year with a 7 inning, 4 hitter and only 1 earned run. I like it... cool.gif

Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 2 2008, 11:25 PM
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 2 2008, 11:19 PM)
amazing i have yet to make it to wrigley...that will be mys ummer trip next yr.....this yr gotta save up for texas stadium

It's definitely a true blue baseball stadium. The buildings behind the stadium have seats on top of them and windows all busted out from homeruns, every single attendee was drunk and had something with Cubs on it...it was pretty sweet.

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 2 2008, 11:28 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 3 2008, 12:25 AM)
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 2 2008, 11:19 PM)
amazing i have yet to make it to wrigley...that will be mys ummer trip next yr.....this yr gotta save up for texas stadium

It's definitely a true blue baseball stadium. The buildings behind the stadium have seats on top of them and windows all busted out from homeruns, every single attendee was drunk and had something with Cubs on it...it was pretty sweet.

can't wait to go their if been wanting to go all my life...

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 3 2008, 01:25 PM
dempster walked his first batter ph34r.gif

Posted by: Regulator Apr 3 2008, 01:39 PM
how big of a hog would you do cc if it ment the cubs would win the WS???

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 3 2008, 01:42 PM
honestly....i wouldn't go that far for the cubs....but talking cowboys omg

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 3 2008, 01:44 PM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Apr 3 2008, 11:39 AM)
how big of a hog would you do cc if it ment the cubs would win the WS???

Mark Grace did some "slump-busters" back in the day.... laugh.gif

Worked for him, but not for the Cubs cool.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 3 2008, 01:47 PM
yeah i wouldn't like to know the out come of the game though after i blew my wad...so it would take the satifaction out of winning the superbowl....unless i got credit for the superbowl victory and a superbowl ring and got my own locker in the locker room and suit up and walk the sidelines.....i think they can put me in place of justin rogers on the 53 man roster...possibly cory procter

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 3 2008, 02:06 PM
QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Apr 3 2008, 12:02 PM)
The Mets won 13-0 last night


Red Sox won 5-0 over Oakland


two best teams in baseball IMO



Mets are looking strong. They should rename the team "lil D.R." laugh.gif

Pitt. is looking strong, bitchesuser posted image


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Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 3 2008, 02:13 PM
How about the Nationals?! They're gonna win it all. laugh.gif

New stadium too.


Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 3 2008, 08:07 PM
You guys are all way off. The Kansas City Royals are clearly the best team in MLB.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 3 2008, 08:33 PM
QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Apr 3 2008, 02:02 PM)
The Mets won 13-0 last night


Red Sox won 5-0 over Oakland


two best teams in baseball IMO



Mets are looking strong. They should rename the team "lil D.R." laugh.gif

Except they lost to the Marlins, and lost Pedro.

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 3 2008, 08:52 PM
and dbacks dropped a series to the redlegs wink.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 3 2008, 08:57 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 3 2008, 08:33 PM)
QUOTE (joseph23573 @ Apr 3 2008, 02:02 PM)
The Mets won 13-0 last night


Red Sox won 5-0 over Oakland


two best teams in baseball IMO



Mets are looking strong. They should rename the team "lil D.R."  laugh.gif

Except they lost to the Marlins, and lost Pedro.

How'd that series against the powerhouse Reds turn out?


One series down, one series won. Ollie looking really solid yesterday...Wright mashing, already has folks talking MVP!

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 3 2008, 09:43 PM
Good for that rookie for the Reds. The D-Backs are still the best team in the NL.

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 3 2008, 09:46 PM
The "X" man comes through again in the 10th... tongue.gif

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Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 3 2008, 10:50 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 3 2008, 09:43 PM)
Good for that rookie for the Reds.

Word...Cueto had a hot spring and was sick today. Kid is only like 21 or 22 yrs old.

Damn Alan...X in the clutch!

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 3 2008, 10:57 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 3 2008, 10:43 PM)
Good for that rookie for the Reds. The D-Backs are still the best team in the NL.

better than the mets?

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 3 2008, 11:03 PM
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 3 2008, 10:57 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 3 2008, 10:43 PM)
Good for that rookie for the Reds. The D-Backs are still the best team in the NL.

better than the mets?

Pedro being out hurts...hopefully we can bounce back and some guys will step up. Our offense and field play are pretty badass, need the pitching staff to perform well. We'll see. I think we'll be OK. I think we'll win the NL East.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 4 2008, 07:21 AM
How good did Oliver Perez look? If he keeps it up it'll be huge. Him, Maine and Santana dropping loads!!!!

Posted by: Regulator Apr 4 2008, 09:30 AM
s. drew is a free agent in my fantasy leauge cool.gif

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 4 2008, 09:31 AM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Apr 4 2008, 10:30 AM)
s. drew is a free agent in my fantasy leauge cool.gif

Cause he sucks cock. laugh.gif

I'm sure he's a free agent in over 90% of leagues.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 4 2008, 10:09 AM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 4 2008, 09:31 AM)
QUOTE (Regulator @ Apr 4 2008, 10:30 AM)
s. drew is a free agent in my fantasy leauge cool.gif

Cause he sucks cock. laugh.gif

I'm sure he's a free agent in over 90% of leagues.

It's a good thing he didn't play like Reyes when it counted. Reyes was non existent during the Mets collapse.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 4 2008, 10:11 AM
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 3 2008, 10:57 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 3 2008, 10:43 PM)
Good for that rookie for the Reds. The D-Backs are still the best team in the NL.

better than the mets?

We have a better starting rotation and relief. We have a pretty solid offense too. Several "experts" have the D-Backs picked to win the NLCS.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 4 2008, 01:33 PM
I picked up Canseco's new book today!!!


Posted by: Regulator Apr 4 2008, 01:36 PM
i thought about either getting his first book or LT's book. I cant remember the last time ive "read for pleasure"

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 4 2008, 01:45 PM
I have his first book. He signed mine at a bookstore too.


Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 4 2008, 01:50 PM
Get This:

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You'll love it............Dudes partied all effin' night and still managed to go out a win games............ cool.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 4 2008, 04:14 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Apr 4 2008, 02:50 PM)
Get This:

user posted image

You'll love it............Dudes partied all effin' night and still managed to go out a win games............ cool.gif

any funny madden stories

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 01:21 AM
I just picked up Micah Owings off waivers. ph34r.gif


CBSSports.com STATS LLC
Diamondbacks SP Micah Owings, who struck out 6.2 batters per nine innings as a rookie last year, did the reciprocal in his 2008 season debut Friday at the Rockies, striking out a career-high nine in 6 2/3 innings. He allowed only one run on two hits and two walks to record the win.
(Updated 04/04/2008).

Fantasy Analysis
Owings had an awful spring, posting a 9.77 ERA in Cactus League action, but he apparently had no trouble turning up his performance once the games started meaning something. He got better and better as a rookie last year, allowing only a .219 batting average in the second half, so consider him a sleeper in all leagues. He'll likely make his next start Wednesday against the Dodgers.
(Updated 04/04/2008).

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 5 2008, 09:50 AM
I picked him up too last night. I wanted to pick him up before yesterday's start but the whole Coors Field thing got me nervous. He did pretty well anyway!!


Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 5 2008, 10:06 AM
So I'm reading Vindicated and Canseco talks about his short prison stint. This line is pretty F'ed up!

"All the jumpsuits were ripped at the seams to make it easier to rape guys."

ohmy.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 11:22 AM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 01:21 AM)
I just picked up Micah Owings off waivers. ph34r.gif


CBSSports.com STATS LLC
Diamondbacks SP Micah Owings, who struck out 6.2 batters per nine innings as a rookie last year, did the reciprocal in his 2008 season debut Friday at the Rockies, striking out a career-high nine in 6 2/3 innings. He allowed only one run on two hits and two walks to record the win.
(Updated 04/04/2008).

Fantasy Analysis
Owings had an awful spring, posting a 9.77 ERA in Cactus League action, but he apparently had no trouble turning up his performance once the games started meaning something. He got better and better as a rookie last year, allowing only a .219 batting average in the second half, so consider him a sleeper in all leagues. He'll likely make his next start Wednesday against the Dodgers.
(Updated 04/04/2008).

Not too mention he's a better hitter than half the Mets lineup

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 12:29 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 11:22 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 01:21 AM)
I just picked up Micah Owings off waivers.  ph34r.gif


CBSSports.com      STATS LLC   
Diamondbacks SP Micah Owings, who struck out 6.2 batters per nine innings as a rookie last year, did the reciprocal in his 2008 season debut Friday at the Rockies, striking out a career-high nine in 6 2/3 innings. He allowed only one run on two hits and two walks to record the win.
(Updated 04/04/2008). 

Fantasy Analysis
Owings had an awful spring, posting a 9.77 ERA in Cactus League action, but he apparently had no trouble turning up his performance once the games started meaning something. He got better and better as a rookie last year, allowing only a .219 batting average in the second half, so consider him a sleeper in all leagues. He'll likely make his next start Wednesday against the Dodgers.
(Updated 04/04/2008).

Not too mention he's a better hitter than half the Mets lineup

Wow...even when I try to give the D-Backs some props.

You're probably right though. David Wright, Carlos Delgado, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Moises Alou...those guys can't swing it like Micah. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 12:35 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 12:29 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 11:22 AM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 01:21 AM)
I just picked up Micah Owings off waivers.  ph34r.gif


CBSSports.com      STATS LLC   
Diamondbacks SP Micah Owings, who struck out 6.2 batters per nine innings as a rookie last year, did the reciprocal in his 2008 season debut Friday at the Rockies, striking out a career-high nine in 6 2/3 innings. He allowed only one run on two hits and two walks to record the win.
(Updated 04/04/2008). 

Fantasy Analysis
Owings had an awful spring, posting a 9.77 ERA in Cactus League action, but he apparently had no trouble turning up his performance once the games started meaning something. He got better and better as a rookie last year, allowing only a .219 batting average in the second half, so consider him a sleeper in all leagues. He'll likely make his next start Wednesday against the Dodgers.
(Updated 04/04/2008).

Not too mention he's a better hitter than half the Mets lineup

Wow...even when I try to give the D-Backs some props.

You're probably right though. David Wright, Carlos Delgado, Jose Reyes, Carlos Beltran, Moises Alou...those guys can't swing it like Micah. rolleyes.gif

He's a better hitter than half the D-Backs line up. In college he set the record for homeruns at Tulane University.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 5 2008, 12:38 PM
Just when you can't get anymore ridiculous....


laugh.gif


Edit: Well maybe you're right. Once he gets bombed out of the league (hopefully after this year since he's on my fantasy team) he could always try to become a position player like Rick Ankiel.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 12:41 PM
He's a good hitter, no doubt. I just hope he pitches well for "I Just Got Back From Red Lobster" ph34r.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 01:28 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 5 2008, 12:38 PM)
Just when you can't get anymore ridiculous....


laugh.gif


Edit: Well maybe you're right. Once he gets bombed out of the league (hopefully after this year since he's on my fantasy team) he could always try to become a position player like Rick Ankiel.

He had a better pitching record than several of your 'Mazing Mets" last year. Especially when it counted down the stretch. Can we say "biggest choke in NL East history"?

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 5 2008, 01:39 PM
Yeah it was a choke, so what. It happens.

It's funny how you're not making any bets this year though.


Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 01:41 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 01:28 PM)
He had a better pitching record than several of your 'Mazing Mets" last year.

8-8 with a 4.30 ERA was a better record than which Mets starter last year?


John Maine
15-10 3.91 ERA

Oliver Perez
15-10 3.56 ERA

El Duque
9-5 3.72 ERA

Jorge Sosa
9-8 4.47 ERA

Pedro Martinez
3-1 2.57 ERA


I guess he was better than Mike Pelfrey last year...so there ya go.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 5 2008, 01:39 PM)
It's funny how you're not making any bets this year though.

Who would take a bet with a known welcher?

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 5 2008, 01:48 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:42 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 5 2008, 01:39 PM)
It's funny how you're not making any bets this year though.

Who would take a bet with a known welcher?

That's true.

Interesting to note that he hasn't said anything about how great Drew is... cause he's not. laugh.gif


Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 01:58 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 5 2008, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:42 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 5 2008, 01:39 PM)
It's funny how you're not making any bets this year though.

Who would take a bet with a known welcher?

That's true.

Interesting to note that he hasn't said anything about how great Drew is... cause he's not. laugh.gif

CBS Sportsline
Diamondbacks SS Stephen Drew, coming off a rough sophomore season in which he hit .238, went 0-for-4 with a strikeout Monday in the season opener at Cincinnati.
(Updated 03/31/2008).

Yahoo!
Mar 30 SS Stephen Drew is one of two left-handed-hitting regulars in the lineup, and if the Diamondbacks need to find playing time for super sub Chris Burke, it could come at Drew's expense, especially when the opponent throws a right-hander. Burke is a career .291 hitter against lefties.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 02:14 PM
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 5 2008, 01:48 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:42 PM)
QUOTE (willpiazza31 @ Apr 5 2008, 01:39 PM)
It's funny how you're not making any bets this year though.

Who would take a bet with a known welcher?

That's true.

Interesting to note that he hasn't said anything about how great Drew is... cause he's not. laugh.gif

He's clutch when it counts, which is more than I can say about you're entire line up. What Reyes BA down the stretch? .180?

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 02:17 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 01:28 PM)
He had a better pitching record than several of your 'Mazing Mets" last year.

8-8 with a 4.30 ERA was a better record than which Mets starter last year?


John Maine
15-10 3.91 ERA

Oliver Perez
15-10 3.56 ERA

El Duque
9-5 3.72 ERA

Jorge Sosa
9-8 4.47 ERA

Pedro Martinez
3-1 2.57 ERA


I guess he was better than Mike Pelfrey last year...so there ya go.

He had a better ERA than Sosa, with a line up that scored less runs, and he was also a rookie. Lets look at the record of all the pitches who pitched last year for the Mets. Also, lets look at how they pitched when it counted, like September.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 02:21 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:17 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 01:28 PM)
He had a better pitching record than several of your 'Mazing Mets" last year.

8-8 with a 4.30 ERA was a better record than which Mets starter last year?


John Maine
15-10 3.91 ERA

Oliver Perez
15-10 3.56 ERA

El Duque
9-5 3.72 ERA

Jorge Sosa
9-8 4.47 ERA

Pedro Martinez
3-1 2.57 ERA


I guess he was better than Mike Pelfrey last year...so there ya go.

He had a better ERA than Sosa, with a line up that scored less runs, and he was also a rookie. Lets look at the record of all the pitches who pitched last year for the Mets. Also, lets look at how they pitched when it counted, like September.

I love how you'll make a statement (like "Micah Owings had a better record than several Mets pitchers") then when you're completely proved wrong (every starting pitcher besdies Pelfrey had a better record than Owings) you spin it faster than Bill O'Reilly on steroids, changing the subject to a certain month of the year, rather than their "record" which was your original argument.

EDIT: Tom Glavine was 13-8...forgot to include him in my earlier post. But hey, his last outing of the year was a disgrace, so I guess that means Owings had a better record than 13-8 rolleyes.gif

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 02:25 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:21 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:17 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 01:41 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 01:28 PM)
He had a better pitching record than several of your 'Mazing Mets" last year.

8-8 with a 4.30 ERA was a better record than which Mets starter last year?


John Maine
15-10 3.91 ERA

Oliver Perez
15-10 3.56 ERA

El Duque
9-5 3.72 ERA

Jorge Sosa
9-8 4.47 ERA

Pedro Martinez
3-1 2.57 ERA


I guess he was better than Mike Pelfrey last year...so there ya go.

He had a better ERA than Sosa, with a line up that scored less runs, and he was also a rookie. Lets look at the record of all the pitches who pitched last year for the Mets. Also, lets look at how they pitched when it counted, like September.

I love how you'll make a statement (like "Micah Owings had a better record than several Mets pitchers") then when you're completely proved wrong (every starting pitcher besdies Pelfrey had a better record than Owings) you spin it faster than Bill O'Reilly on steroids, changing the subject to a certain month of the year, rather than their "record" which was your original argument.

EDIT: Tom Glavine was 13-8...forgot to include him in my earlier post. But hey, his last outing of the year was a disgrace, so I guess that means Owings had a better record than 13-8 rolleyes.gif

Lets look at the record of all the pitchers who pitched for the Mets last year. You listed 5. You even admit 2 of them had a worse year than Micah. Also, yes time of year means alot. What good is your season if you choke when the team needs a big win out of you. It's not my fault your 120 million couldn't keep you from free falling in the NL, like an Italian doing an IQ test.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 02:29 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:25 PM)
Lets look at the record of all the pitchers who pitched for the Mets last year. You listed 5. You even admit 2 of them had a worse year than Micah.

If Pelfrey counts for 2 pitchers, then yes...2 pitchers had a worse record than Owings.

Those are all the Mets who started a significant amount of games (ok, you can leave Pedro off, since he only started a few games)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYM/2007.shtml


EDIT: It's not my fault you're a racist. I don't care about Italians taking IQ tests, just refuting your ill-advised statement that Owings had a better record than several Mets starters.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 02:41 PM
Sosa did too. ERA is a much better indicator of pitching than win/loss percentage. He only won one more game than Micah, with an offense that produced alot more runs.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 02:44 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:41 PM)
Sosa did too. ERA is a much better indicator of pitching than win/loss percentage. He only won one more game than Micah, with an offense that produced alot more runs.

Keep spinning O'Reilly. You said "better record" now your argument seems to center around run support and ERA.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 02:51 PM
Sosa

9-8 4.47 ERA

Mota

2-2 5.76 ERA

Pelfrey

3-8 5.57 ERA

Lawrence

1-2 6..83 ERA

Schoenewis

0-2 5.03 ERA

Sele

3-2 5.37 ERA

Thats several 'Not so Amazing Mets" pitchers right there who did worse than a rookie who also hit more homeruns than Jose Valentin, whom you were so sure was going to do better than the D-Backs outfielders. He also had as many homer as Damion Easley in a fraction of the AB's

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 02:53 PM
Dude, this "argument" of yours (not even sure what you're trying to prove right now) has spun out of control. Guillermo Mota and Scott Shoeneweis aren't starters and Brian Lawrence was a spot starter who only played a few games cuz of injury.

Believe whatver you want. I'm done with this BS for now. Hope you're enjoying that $50 you owe me.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 02:53 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:44 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:41 PM)
Sosa did too. ERA is a much better indicator of pitching than win/loss percentage. He only won one more game than Micah, with an offense that produced alot more runs.

Keep spinning O'Reilly. You said "better record" now your argument seems to center around run support and ERA.

I also said pitchers, you nicely posted the records of your winning starters. I juts posted several Mets pitchers with worse seasons than Owings. I also mentioned two Hitters who had a worse season than Owingas, including a guy you actually thought would do better than the D-Backs hitters laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Thats almost as funny as David Wright winning the MVP laugh.gif

Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 5 2008, 02:56 PM
Holy shit...I don't check on the Twins in a week and come back to find Liriano demoted to the minors and Cuddyer on the DL. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 02:56 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:53 PM)
Thats almost as funny as David Wright winning the MVP laugh.gif

David Wright

2007
.325BA, 30HR, 34SB, 107RBI, 113R

2008
.462BA...so far, but obviously it's very early.


What's laughable about that? He'd probably have won it in '07 had the team not collapsed.

Jimmy Rollins 2007 MVP
.296BA, 30HR, 41SB, 94RBI, 139RBI

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 03:01 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:53 PM)
Dude, this "argument" of yours (not even sure what you're trying to prove right now) has spun out of control. Guillermo Mota and Scott Shoeneweis aren't starters and Brian Lawrence was a spot starter who only played a few games cuz of injury.

Believe whatver you want. I'm done with this BS for now. Hope you're enjoying that $50 you owe me.

I said pitchers, and i showed you several pitchers who has worse seasons. Don't go crying to me like a bitch cuz I proved you wrong.

Posted by: azfittrainer Apr 5 2008, 03:03 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:56 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:53 PM)
Thats almost as funny as David Wright winning the MVP laugh.gif



What's laughable about that? He'd probably have won it in '07 had the team not collapsed.


But the team DID collapse, especially Wright and Reyes, when it counted.

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 03:04 PM
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 03:03 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 02:56 PM)
QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Apr 5 2008, 02:53 PM)
Thats almost as funny as David Wright winning the MVP laugh.gif



What's laughable about that? He'd probably have won it in '07 had the team not collapsed.


But the team DID collapse, especially Wright and Reyes, when it counted.

Wright batted almost .400 in August and September.

Also, I find it pathetic that you can't have a baseball debate without resorting to name-calling and racism.

Obviously we like different teams and get amped up to argue about them. No need to be so ignorant and childish.

Posted by: willpiazza31 Apr 5 2008, 03:20 PM
If you want to play the "clutch" game what about this?

"In the NLCS (where, ironically, they faced the Rockies), however, the D-backs' bats - and any sort of luck they had - fell silent. Though the D-backs' pitchers kept it close, they just didn't seem to get any kind of situational hitting. Plays in key situations- Upton's slide in Game 1, Stephen Drew's baserunning mistake and Valverde's 3 walks in a row, including a bases-loaded walk in the 10th in Game 2, Yorvit Torrealba's homer in Game 3, Conor Jackson booting the ball in Game 4, and even into the 8th and 9th innings of the final game, with the D-backs trailing by two, Tony Clark struck out leaving Upton at third base in the 8th, and in the 9th, Chris Young's leadoff double was wasted...The D-backs ran out of momentum against a Colorado team who just couldn't lose and were swept by the Rockies."

laugh.gif talk about coming through in the clutch!

Lucky - that describes the Douchebacks 2007 season!




Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 5 2008, 03:30 PM
Sick burn....

Posted by: Regulator Apr 5 2008, 03:43 PM
I find it funny that you guys are going through the trouble of trying to have a logical argument with AZ. Hes going to spin it, add new twists, and when in doubt deny. Its a big part of his online "character". He is NEVER going to admit he is wrong...EVER.

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 5 2008, 06:25 PM
got a bunch of tuna pinched in my cheeks like im sammy sosa gonna see how long i can hold it in....pretty easy though kinda feels like redman...but tastes like water

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 5 2008, 06:27 PM
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 5 2008, 04:25 PM)
got a bunch of tuna pinched in my cheeks like im sammy sosa gonna see how long i can hold it in....pretty easy though kinda feels like redman...but tastes like water

You're kinda a strange cat, cc laugh.gif

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 06:27 PM
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 5 2008, 06:25 PM)
got a bunch of tuna pinched in my cheeks like im sammy sosa gonna see how long i can hold it in....pretty easy though kinda feels like redman...but tastes like water

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Posted by: cc-10 Apr 5 2008, 06:28 PM
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Apr 5 2008, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 5 2008, 04:25 PM)
got a bunch of tuna pinched in my cheeks like im sammy sosa gonna see how long i can hold it in....pretty easy though kinda feels like redman...but tastes like water

You're kinda a strange cat, cc laugh.gif

lol just thought of it.....got about half can wedged...sucks to chew up though b/c it gets extra dry

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 06:29 PM
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 5 2008, 06:28 PM)
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Apr 5 2008, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 5 2008, 04:25 PM)
got a bunch of tuna pinched in my cheeks like im sammy sosa gonna see how long i can hold it in....pretty easy though kinda feels like redman...but tastes like water

You're kinda a strange cat, cc laugh.gif

lol just thought of it.....got about half can wedged...sucks to chew up though b/c it gets extra dry

tbsp of mayo? ph34r.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 5 2008, 06:31 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 07:29 PM)
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 5 2008, 06:28 PM)
QUOTE (Alan115396 @ Apr 5 2008, 07:27 PM)
QUOTE (cc-10 @ Apr 5 2008, 04:25 PM)
got a bunch of tuna pinched in my cheeks like im sammy sosa gonna see how long i can hold it in....pretty easy though kinda feels like redman...but tastes like water

You're kinda a strange cat, cc laugh.gif

lol just thought of it.....got about half can wedged...sucks to chew up though b/c it gets extra dry

tbsp of mayo? ph34r.gif

little bit of mayo in the other cheek...then when it's swallo time...you combine the two ....sounds like a good trick lol


oh yeah baseball thread.....ummm go cubs

Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 5 2008, 06:38 PM
Just got done reading an article in ESPN mag about how much better the American League is than the National. They attribute most of it to the DH which makes sense.

Also an article about the Cubbies. They've really gotten the short end of the stick over the years. Sorry CC.

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 5 2008, 06:43 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 5 2008, 07:38 PM)
Just got done reading an article in ESPN mag about how much better the American League is than the National. They attribute most of it to the DH which makes sense.

Also an article about the Cubbies. They've really gotten the short end of the stick over the years. Sorry CC.

yeah, the little 100 years thing...a lot of articles w/ timelines of the cubbies downfalls have been mentioned a lot hear lately...oh well...5 superbowls...

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 5 2008, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 5 2008, 06:38 PM)
Just got done reading an article in ESPN mag about how much better the American League is than the National.  They attribute most of it to the DH which makes sense.

AL plays with 10 players, NL plays with the traditional 9. Makes sense that they score more runs, hit more HR's, etc. They've got more bats to do it with.

The American League is a mutation of the game, IMO.

Posted by: Regulator Apr 5 2008, 08:03 PM
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 06:44 PM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 5 2008, 06:38 PM)
Just got done reading an article in ESPN mag about how much better the American League is than the National.  They attribute most of it to the DH which makes sense.

AL plays with 10 players, NL plays with the traditional 9. Makes sense that they score more runs, hit more HR's, etc. They've got more bats to do it with.

The American League is a mutation of the game, IMO.

you enjoy watching randy johnson swing a bat? For purposes other than pure humor?

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 5 2008, 09:04 PM
QUOTE (Regulator @ Apr 5 2008, 09:03 PM)
QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Apr 5 2008, 06:44 PM)
QUOTE (AdamGrossman @ Apr 5 2008, 06:38 PM)
Just got done reading an article in ESPN mag about how much better the American League is than the National.  They attribute most of it to the DH which makes sense.

AL plays with 10 players, NL plays with the traditional 9. Makes sense that they score more runs, hit more HR's, etc. They've got more bats to do it with.

The American League is a mutation of the game, IMO.

you enjoy watching randy johnson swing a bat? For purposes other than pure humor?

it's more strategy in the NL

Posted by: AdamGrossman Apr 6 2008, 01:08 PM
Twins going for the sweep against KC.

Detroit is sure taking a shit right now...0-5. blink.gif

Posted by: Cdubya Apr 6 2008, 01:31 PM
Hell yeah this would be a huge sweep Adam, Morneau is finally starting to hit the ball

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 6 2008, 01:45 PM
fuck-o-dome struck out w/ 2 men on damn

Posted by: JW32Hoops Apr 6 2008, 02:34 PM
Mets locked in an epic 1-0 pitchers duel. Santana vs Smoltz.


Big Hurt went yard today. ph34r.gif

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 6 2008, 02:43 PM
Pitt beating up on the fish 5-2 biggrin.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 6 2008, 02:44 PM
nice cubs are tied at 1....we should be blowing them away but are leaving runners on base

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 6 2008, 02:48 PM
soriano just went deep 2-1 cubs

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 6 2008, 02:55 PM
Pitt droppin' loads on the fish...now 7-2 biggrin.gif

Posted by: Alan115396 Apr 6 2008, 02:58 PM
X-Man just hit a 2-run bomb.........9-2 now biggrin.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 6 2008, 03:03 PM
cubs leave ducks on the pond stranded w/o scoring

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 6 2008, 03:17 PM
tied at 2 now mad.gif

Posted by: cc-10 Apr 6 2008, 03:27 PM
derek lee goes deep 3-2