TURKESTERONE |
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| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 4 2008, 06:28 PM |
| I noticed Custom Nutrition Warhouse has 20% turkesterone in stock. As far as I've seen, the ONLY company who has put this stuff in capsules is Anabolic Xtreme (mass fx). So my question is: When will supplement companies start to market this stuff? Does anyone have any experience with it/reviews/thoughts? I find it very interesting that two supplements with incredible potential (testofen and turkesterone) are barely put in supplements, but crap like I3C is everywhere. Feel free to opine. I, for one, am looking forward to trying turkesterone out on its own (currently using Mass FX MS). |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 4 2008, 09:16 PM |
| bump |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 4 2008, 09:24 PM | ||
I think it is awesome. Before using MassFX Max I experimented around with this stuff a while back, and loved it then. How are you liking MassFX Max so far? |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 5 2008, 11:41 AM | ||
No complaints. The addition of the AI was a good idea. |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 5 2008, 10:34 PM | ||||
Yeah it was. I liked the original MassFX but I love the new one. So far, in my experience it is significantly better. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 7 2008, 02:01 PM |
| bump |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 13 2008, 10:20 AM |
| bump |
| Posted by: ed72338 Mar 14 2008, 12:25 AM |
| I'm not sold on turke or any ecdy products. Might be good for cutting but pretty mcuh worthless on a bulk. They don't appear to be very anabolic but most plant sterols aren't. Some russian or eastern european studies compared it to d-bol but that was a crock of shit. I did try massFX though and it was a good test booster so I'm sure the new one won't be any different. Too bad they don't sponsor any logs here. |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Mar 14 2008, 05:49 AM |
| this product sounds ass to me. is it a derivative of snake oil? that stuff rocks |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 14 2008, 09:12 AM | ||
Im not very familiar with that original study done in Russia, all I know is that it was compared to d-bol, etc. While Turk doesnt have the androgenic side effects that d-bol has, turk definitely does have the ability to stimulate protein synthesis and nitrogen retention, which is exactly what we wanted from it. Nothing more. The New MassFX is above and beyond the scope of the original. The gains on this have exceeded my original expectations. |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 14 2008, 09:13 AM | ||
What? |
| Posted by: Hello 2.0 Mar 14 2008, 09:48 AM | ||
Snake oil salesmen were crooks and liars back in the old days. They would sell bottles of snake oil telling people it was a panacea for all their aches and pains, sicknesses and disease. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 14 2008, 03:09 PM |
| Turkesterone is no snake oil. I'll point you to this study: Phytoecdysteroids and anabolic-androgenic steroids--structure and effects on humans. Curr Med Chem. 2008;15(1):75-91. Báthori M, Tóth N, Hunyadi A, Márki A, Zádor E. Department of Pharmacognosy, University of Szeged, H-6720 Szeged, Eötvös utca 6., Hungary. Bathori@pharma.szote.u-szeged.hu Phytoecdysteroids are structural analogs of the insect molting hormone ecdysone. Plants comprise rich sources of ecdysteroids in high concentration and with broad structural diversity. Ecdysteroids have a number of proven beneficial effects on mammals but the hormonal effects of ecdysteroids have been proven only in arthropods. Their structures are somewhat similar to those of the vertebrate steroid hormones but there are several structural differences between the two steroid groups. Despite of these essential structural differences, ecdysteroids exert numerous effects in vertebrates that are similar to those of vertebrate hormonal steroids, and they may serve as effective anabolic, hepatoprotective, immunoprotective, antioxidant and hypoglycemic agents. Ecdysteroids do not bind to the cytosolic steroid receptors, instead, they are likely to influence signal transduction pathways, like the anabolic steroids, possibly via membrane bound receptors. The application of phytoecdysteroids is a promising alternative to the use of anabolic-androgenic steroids because of the apparent lack of adverse effects. The prospective use of phytoecdysteroids may extend to treatments of pathological conditions where anabolic steroids are routinely applied. One of the most cited aspects of phytoecdysteroid application (on the Internet) is the increase of muscle size. However in this field too stringent research is needed as an adequate cytological explanation is not yet available for the anabolic. This paper reports on the most important structural differences between androgenic hormones, their synthetic analogs and ecdysteroids. The anabolic/hormonal effects and the possible mechanisms of action of these compounds are also discussed as concerns the skeletal muscle. |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 14 2008, 10:26 PM |
| Along with that study there are several others showing the benefits of it in regards to protein synthesis. |
| Posted by: FilipinoFreak Mar 14 2008, 11:56 PM |
| Wait, is this stuff steroidal? The name sorta sounds like it |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 15 2008, 08:54 AM | ||
No its not. Technically it is "steroidal", but so are other sterols, bile acids, etc. So lets not confuse the term steroid, with anabolic steroids. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 15 2008, 11:44 AM |
| It doesn't act steroidal at all. It appears to act in the same fashion as a hydrophilic hormone, binding extracellularly, and affecting transduction pathways. There is also the potential for the sterone to incorporate itself within the cell membrane which would alter permeability and cell structure (density), as well as cell signaling. Ultimately, the exact mechanisms are unknown but the observations of turkesterone supplementation are known: increased nitrogen retention, and mass gain (from livestock studies). |
| Posted by: ed72338 Mar 15 2008, 01:39 PM |
| One would think that the the ability to stimulate protein synthesis and nitrogen retention would lead to more anabolism but ecdy products just haven't panned out. I've seen tons of reviews and everyone seems disappointed in the product. So perhaps it doesnt boost these to levels that would make the product anabolic in nature. The favorable revies have mostly been from those who were cutting so it seems to be an effective anti-catabolic product moreso than an anabolic one. Also, a lot of substances have favorable studies to support them but for whatever reason don't seem to pan out when in the hands of consumers. The anecdotal feedback from comsuners is just as important as peer referrenced studies IMO. Maybe you guys could sponsor a log or two here. |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 15 2008, 01:56 PM | ||
I see where you are coming from, but of turk and ecdy, turk is much more anabolic. Before turk was even included in MassFX MS, I used turk by itself to compare it to a previous run of a pure ecdy product and the differences were clear. |
| Posted by: FilipinoFreak Mar 15 2008, 07:16 PM | ||||
Sorry for being naive, but what is the difference between steroid and anabolic steroid? Ive always just assumed anything with "steroid" near it is bad, will mess up your internal organs and will require some form of PCT... |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 15 2008, 07:28 PM | ||||||
Steroids is a broad category, AAS just happens to fall into that category. For instance, Vitamin D is a "steroid" by definition, but you dont expect to get huge of it right? |
| Posted by: yeashescool Mar 15 2008, 08:46 PM | ||||||||
sry to hijack, quick question tho, how does the old mass fx compare to the newer one? i have a bottle laying around, debating on trying it, the older version that is |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 15 2008, 08:52 PM |
| Definitely give it a try. Its one of my top supplements ever still. I prefer the new one over the old one, but if I had the old one Id still use it as well. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Mar 15 2008, 08:55 PM | ||
safe for 19 year old? |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 15 2008, 09:30 PM | ||||
Sure enough. |
| Posted by: FilipinoFreak Mar 15 2008, 09:57 PM | ||||||
So this MASS FX with the Turkesterone in it is safe? Like no side effects associated with gyno/hair loss/anything unnatural? |
| Posted by: DownTown Mar 15 2008, 10:10 PM |
| Dude the worst thing i got from the hyperdrolX2, Mass FX, and Retain 2 stack was acne, and it wasnt that bad. No you wont need pct, and no it wont mess with your organs. Also i would like to say that other than the word steriod being missunderstood, so is the word anabolic. Food is anabolic ppl and there isnt anything dangerous about food. Lets keep this in mind when you see these words used, cuz its not always a dangerous thing. Ecdy is highly under dosed, if dosed properly it does work and quite well. |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 15 2008, 10:15 PM | ||||||||
Yes its safe. Im not sure where the idea of turkesterone having such side effects is coming from. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Mar 16 2008, 11:00 AM | ||||||||||
cool thanks for the response, ill give this a run in the near future |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 16 2008, 11:08 AM |
| Cool man. Let me know if you need anything. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 16 2008, 01:05 PM |
| Bumpin it back to the turkesterone discussion. |
| Posted by: FilipinoFreak Mar 16 2008, 05:59 PM | ||||||||||||
I will be trying it out too |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 16 2008, 07:26 PM |
| Sweet. Im sure yall will like it! |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 17 2008, 05:19 PM |
| bump for turkesterone experiences. |
| Posted by: ed72338 Mar 19 2008, 12:12 AM |
| Maybe you could hint at AX to sponsor a log or two so we could get some more experiences. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 20 2008, 09:47 AM |
| My "cycle" of Mass FX MS went pretty well. I'd use it again. I'm now eyeing Anabol 5 or Anabolic Trigger to use. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Mar 20 2008, 10:33 AM | ||
did u use the original? |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 20 2008, 11:01 AM | ||||
Yeah, I didn't like the first one. I experienced nothing that a placebo wouldn't produce. The guy who owns Designer Supplements formulated the new one instead of "Dr. D." |
| Posted by: ed72338 Mar 20 2008, 12:24 PM |
| I used the original one and liked it so I'll have to see how this one fares. So Matt Cahill developed this product, I wonder how it compares to Activate Xtreme. He also developed the new 3AD product too? |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 20 2008, 08:38 PM |
| Apparently so. |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 20 2008, 09:06 PM | ||
Activate Xtreme and MassFX MS are different products, although they share a common ingredient - divanil. Activate Xtreme is more testosterone boosting based, while MFX MS is more of a pro-anabolic. If you mix those two together, as Matt recommends, it would make for one amazing stack. |
| Posted by: yeashescool Mar 20 2008, 10:03 PM | ||||
damn all this new stuff, i can only get my hands on the older versions of both these products |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 20 2008, 10:19 PM |
| Whys that? |
| Posted by: yeashescool Mar 20 2008, 10:22 PM |
| well its not that i couldnt, but most of the supps i buy are from work, the vitamin shoppe, and we only have the older versions of these i buy everything there because of the discount i get beats all other prices |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 22 2008, 04:32 PM |
| bump |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 22 2008, 05:21 PM | ||
Diesel what are you looking for? Just personal experiences or what? Let me know if I can help. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Mar 22 2008, 07:13 PM |
| Yeah, apparently we are the only people on this board who have used turkesterone. SSUUURRRREEELLLY there has got to be other people... And I'm out of Mass FX MS, so send me another bottle. >=) |
| Posted by: ed72338 Mar 22 2008, 11:47 PM |
| Send me one too! I've been hesitant to use turkesterone only because ecdy has failed me numerous times. I may give it a try but I waiting for more feedback. But apparently others are as well so feedback is sparse. I may jsut break down and buy a bottle and see how it goes though, but I see a new version of 3AD is coming out so I may buy that first. Or perhaps try MFX MS while waiting for 3AD to come out. |
| Posted by: UNCnate Mar 23 2008, 08:15 AM |
| We did several sponsored logs of MFX MS. They can all be found at our home forum. If youre interested in how a the new MFX works you can surely find it there. Sorry I dont know of any pure Turk reviews/logs, but some of the results people were getting from MFX seem like direct consequences of the Turk. |
| Posted by: Sldgehmr Apr 5 2008, 11:49 PM | ||||
Thanks, I worked very hard on putting that formula together. |
| Posted by: Sldgehmr Apr 5 2008, 11:55 PM | ||
Well obviously Ive used a lot of it. Ive never got any effects, good or bad from 20-hydroxy-ecdy but Turk was completley different. Within a couple days of using it you can feel the pumps start that seem to last all day. Its greatest use is for its ability to increase nitrogen retention. |
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