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| Posted by: Meagan42589 Jan 23 2008, 11:26 AM |
| Anyone know how many mg's is in a 1/4tsp? |
| Posted by: Meagan42589 Jan 24 2008, 08:02 PM |
| Bump for a answer, is there a mod for this site. I have contacted the company several times and still no answer. |
| Posted by: metalmuscle Jan 29 2008, 06:41 PM |
| I don't know your answer, but I have a question about the Testofen. Prosource's Androtest Extreme contains 600mg of Testofen. I'm 205 lbs. so should I take more than 600mg, and should I split the dosage up? |
| Posted by: DownTown Jan 29 2008, 07:01 PM |
| how good is testofen? Ive been seeing it in a few products but i havent really looked into it. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jan 29 2008, 07:12 PM |
| 400-600 mg. per day, split into two doses is what's recommended for the test boosting effects. There's a human study (don't have the link handy) where test. levels rose approx. 100% after 10 days of use. I just ordered 80 grams of bulk powder, so I'll see if it's as effective as the study suggests. It's a lot cheaper than other boosters, so I'm excited about it. It's an extract from fenugreek, which a lot of guy already use during PCT. Fenotest by Scivation/Primaforce cantained this, as well as another herbal booster. The way I bought it at the cheapest possible price was by going to the jungle. Once you get to the Amazon, search for "testofen" and you'll find both IDS and 1fast400 bulk powder. There's a way to get 15% off plus free shipping. Just a little tip for ya. |
| Posted by: LAC Jan 29 2008, 10:44 PM |
| Bulk Testofen sounds great. But what about estrogen response. do you think an AI should be taken with it? Also, their write mentions DHT. do you think it will cause hair loss? |
| Posted by: thomez Jan 29 2008, 10:55 PM | ||
google has a calculator that will do all kinds of conversions for you, including this one |
| Posted by: Meagan42589 Jan 29 2008, 11:38 PM |
| You can't google a conversion for this because you don't know the begining weight. How do you measure the dose. Usually the put it on the container how many mg's per 1/4 tsp. Anyhow I am glad BN carries this, they are the only company to do so. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jan 30 2008, 12:51 AM | ||
Every bulk powder I've ever bought, from here or NP, has a label that tells you how many mg. per measurement (usually 1/4 tsp). You have to order it and look at the label. From there, it'll be easy enough to figure out how to measure your dose. |
| Posted by: LAC Jan 31 2008, 08:46 AM |
| what about Estrogen response? |
| Posted by: Meagan42589 Jan 31 2008, 11:04 AM |
| Got my answer 1/4tsp = 500mg |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Jan 31 2008, 01:03 PM |
| Good to know. So, you'd want to dose approx. 1/2 of a 1/4 tsp. twice a day. I'll have to see if I can find any 1/8 tsps. out there at a kitchen store or something, for better accuracy. I heard this stuff tastes terrible, but hard to imagine anything being worse than bulk longjack powder. I gag down 1/4 tsp. of that rank stuff every morning. it's become something of a ritual...like the nasty taste wakes me up for the day...lol. Anyway, my testofen has shipped and should be here on the 5th, so I'll update everyone on the taste, effectiveness, etc. |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 1 2008, 09:25 AM |
| Josh please let us know about Estogen response. |
| Posted by: cody95596 Feb 3 2008, 01:46 PM |
| quick question/comment. the measuring spoons from walmart include an 1/8 of a tsp., thats where i got mine. and is the dosing like 300 mg. twice a day for a total of 600 mg. or is it 600 mg. twice a day for 1200 mg. a day? jw |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 3 2008, 02:21 PM | ||
400-600 mg. total per day, divided into 2 doses. I'll have to run by WM and pick up that 1/8 tsp. that will come in handy. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 4 2008, 04:49 PM |
| Ok, my testofen arrived today. So, i immediately opened it up and smelled it. I had heard it tasted really bad, so I wanted to see about that. I got a little on my tongue and it didn't seem like it'd be so great to take by the 1/8 tsp. The smell was kinda like the maple smell from fenugreek caps, but also an almost curry like smell. It felt kinda weird in the mouth, so I opted to break out the capping machine and go to work. I also have some bulk longjack from NP that I pretty much dread taking every morning, plus some bulk rhodiola roasea from before that was really nasty, too. I thought this would be a good opportunity to use this other stuff and reduce the nastyness I ususally endure. So, I did a batch of 24 caps to start with. That will be a 12 day supply at 2 caps per day. Each cap contains approx. 300 mg. of testofen, 400 mg. of longjack I believe NP's is a 20:1 extract which is backed up by a study I read on AM), and lastly about 74 mg. of 3% standardized rhodiola rosea from BN. So, at these dosages, I'm doing the max. recoomended for both the testofen and the longjack, and about a middle dose of rhodiola. Most ppl. take 100-300 mg. of that daily and I'll be doing about 150, so that should be enough to get decent benefits from it. I'll also be continuing to dose a 4:1 maca bulk pwder extract from NP at 1600 mg. per day. I'd been dosing that just once in the morning, but may end up dividing it, to keep things more evenly spaced. in addition, i've been taking 2 caps of Leviathan Reloaded first thing in the moring, too. That provides a good dose of yohimbine and tribulus, too. With all these things combined, plus the T-Bomb 2 I've been taking for a week or two now, I should be through the roof w/ natural test production and libido. This should be lots of fun. I may even add some Paravol to the mix just to be a little extra out of control. I'll update about all this later. |
| Posted by: Palo Alto Labs Feb 5 2008, 12:45 PM |
| definitely is a great investment to pick up a digi scale... under $40 and you wont have to ever question the dose. ive read a bunch of good things on testofen lately... cant wait to hear your thoughts josh |
| Posted by: cody95596 Feb 5 2008, 01:06 PM |
| yo, after you been on it for a little bit could you post again or give a review for testofen... it sounds really intriguing and i would like to hear from someone who has tried it firsthand. btw, thanks on the dosing, prolly gonna add some next order |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 5 2008, 03:49 PM |
| I'm on day 2 right now. Just took my 3rd dose a bit ago. It's too early to say much yet, as the study I saw showed that test. levels were reported up 98% after 10 days of use. I figure after about a week I should be able to feel something. it'll be hard to give it a strict review, itself, just because I'm also using the other products I mentioned, but I've been using them for a while now , anyway. Because of that, i should be able to report on any increase I detect since starting testofen. For the price, I just don't think it can be passed over. I spent under $30 shipped, and the 80 grams should last a good while, since I plan on cycling it probably 1 month on, 2 weeks off. I think I remember Dr. D writing something about fenugreek being very effective for up to a month but then it being a good idea to take a couple weeks off to renew its effectivenes.. I'll take that advice, since he knows a lot about this sort of thing. If anyone else is planning to cap it, I'd go w/ a little less total powder than I used this time. I had a little bit of powder left over after tampering the cps several times. I like to have just the right amount per batch, to get a better idea of exactly how much is in each cap. As to what Dave mentioned, I've been considering picking up a digi scale recently because of how cheap they are. I just don't have any experience w/ them, so i'm not sure how to use it right, etc. Anyone w/ experience using them that can offer some insight? |
| Posted by: Palo Alto Labs Feb 5 2008, 06:30 PM | ||
my boss has one of these in the office for when we make personal concoctions ![]() basically couldnt be easier... it came with 100 little disposable plastic trays that can hold about 5grams.. so you pyt the little tray on it.. tare it so it measures 0 wth the tray on, then dose your powder and it displays the weight in g, mg, oz, etc. theres even a calibration function so you know its always accurate. it really couldnt be easier... search this in amazon: Digital Flip Cover Pocket Findings Scales with Blue Backlight |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 5 2008, 06:43 PM |
| Looks like a great deal for 30 bucks. I may have to grab one of those. Thanks for the tip. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Feb 5 2008, 07:21 PM |
| Testofen is the best stuff I've used to raise libido, lessen refractory period, and increase "load." It boggles my mind why supp companies haven't rushed to put this into their 'natty test' formula's. This stuff is even backed by clinical research! Instead, designer puts I3C in their test booster - an ingredient which is inherantly estrogenic and anti-androgenic!!!!!!! But that's off on a tangent. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 6 2008, 12:53 AM | ||
How'd you dose your testofen and what did you observe, how quickly, etc? I'm curious as to what all to expect and when. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Feb 6 2008, 11:21 AM | ||||
I can't remember the dosage ( I capped it myself haphazardly ) but it took about a week or two for complete saturation. The clinical study done on it has a good rec. dose. This stuff really increases testosterone production, so you should have all of the symptoms. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 6 2008, 01:43 PM | ||||||
Good to hear. Thanks for the details. I'm on day 3 now, just took the 1st dose. This is going to be the longest two weeks ever, waiting to see the full effects...lol. |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 6 2008, 02:49 PM |
| Deisel: when you used the Testofen, did you notice rise in estrogen? did you take an AI along with it? |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Feb 8 2008, 10:17 PM | ||
Oddly enough I experienced no estrogenic sides. There must be some sort of AI component to it (which makes sense). |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 9 2008, 11:12 AM |
| thanks |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 9 2008, 04:45 PM |
| Diesel any idea what that AI component might be? |
| Posted by: Jayv24 Feb 11 2008, 12:32 PM |
| I wonder if this stuff is suppresive or can it be used PCT in place of Fennugreek/Tribulus? |
| Posted by: Meagan42589 Feb 11 2008, 12:36 PM |
| Testofen is not suppressive. In my next post cycle therapy I will probably use FUSION ZEUS, bulk Testofen is horrid so I am going with a capped brand. ZEUS is the best price for what you get (mg's of Testofen) compared to other Testofen products. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 11 2008, 08:58 PM |
| Just cap it yourself. It's so much cheaper than paying for a pre capped namebrand. I capped mine w/ longjack 20:1 and 3% rhodiola. I've been on it for about a week. My back has broken out more than normal and I've def. been hornier lately, so that's a good indication that it's doing something. They say it takes about 12 days to really start seeing full effects, so I'm excited to see how good it gets. |
| Posted by: Mark9749 Feb 12 2008, 01:16 AM |
| Aside from capping this stuff, how else do you get it down? I just purchased some so I guess you just throw the 300 mg in then choke it down on some water? Also, should it be taken on an empty stomach? Thanks. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 12 2008, 01:22 AM | ||
Yeah, you'd prob. want to use a 1/8 tsp. and just toss it in your mouth and chase it down. I'd go w/ something w/ a stronger taste to mask it. Water wouldn't do it for me. I usually chase bad tasting powders w/ diet soda. Usually that'll mask the majority of it, but be prepared to wince as it sloshes in your mouth...lol. |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 13 2008, 09:15 AM |
| josh,Will you be using an AI with your Testofen/Long Jax? also , what was your experience with Longjack? Good for test? libido? any estrogen concerns? thanks |
| Posted by: amadorian Feb 13 2008, 11:53 AM |
| Testofen sounds real nice, I wonder why more companies are not making product with this in it. |
| Posted by: cody95596 Feb 13 2008, 11:58 AM |
| well there was one product, if i recall correctly, made by scivation called fenotest and it proclaimed these type of results. but, sales were never particularly great and recently i think they have discontinued there sale. on a side note, if the results are as such that the claims are true in elevating testosterone, lowering skin fold thickness, and increased nitrogen retention. my question is does it require pct, because in theory should almost double testosterone production? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 13 2008, 05:49 PM | ||
I'm not using an AI. although I am using T-Bomb 2 as well as Leviathan Reloaded at the same time as this. Both of those products contain DIM, which helps regulate estrogen metabolism. It's not considered an AI, but functions to properly metabolize it. Dave from PAL has written about that ingredient in other threads related to Leviathan and Leviathan Reloaded. I got some of this info. from there, as well as being aware of DIM being included w/ some of the original andro products, like Andro-6. I've had a decent amount of experience (used 3 diff. products) w/ longjack. It seems to be effective in freeing bound testosterone, by way of decreasing SHBG in the blood. This is why I think it's a great choice to stack w/ other compounds that naturally increase test. Why increase something that's going to be largely bound up and unuseable? I've never noticed any estrogenic sides when using it. The cheapest way to do longjack is to buy bulk powder (I got my 20:1 concentration from NP in a special that included horny goat weed and maca). It tastes very bad, so I suggest capping it. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Feb 13 2008, 08:45 PM | ||
Differential effects of soybean and fenugreek extracts on the growth of MCF-7 cells.Sebastian KS, Thampan RV. Division of Molecular Endocrinology, Rajiv Gandhi Centre for Biotechnology, Trivandrum, Kerala, India. The effect of aqueous and ethanol extracts of soybean and fenugreek on the growth of MCF-7 cells, an estrogen receptor positive breast cancer cell line, has been examined in this study. Soybean is well known for the presence of phytoestrogens and fenugreek is reported to have medicinal use including anticancer properties. In a dose dependent manner soybean aqueous and ethanol extract promoted the growth and DNA synthesis in MCF-7 cells. On the contrary ethanol extract of fenugreek decreased the cell viability and induced early apoptotic changes such as flipping of phosphatidylserine and decrease of mitochondrial membrane potential. Degradation of cellular DNA into fragments comprising multiples of approximately 180-200 base pair was also observed. Cell cycle analysis by flow cytometry showed the presence of a subG1 apoptotic population which was more prominent at higher concentrations along with cell cycle arrest at G2/M phase. Our experiments show that while the soybean extract acts as a promoter of MCF-7 cell growth, the fenugreek extract induces apoptosis. PMID: 17850779 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Feb 13 2008, 09:06 PM |
| That's probably as good as it gets with regards to its potential anti-estrogenic properties. There's a few mechanisms for MCF-7 cell induced apoptosis and one of them is decreasing the amount of estrogen available to the cell. In this case, the fenugreek probably has an anti-aromatase component (I don't have the full article), but also existing as an ER binding antagonist. I've seen similar results with resveratrol. Mitochondria, calcium, and calpain are key mediators of resveratrol-induced apoptosis in breast cancer. Sareen D, Darjatmoko SR, Albert DM, Polans AS. Department of Biomolecular Chemistry, University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health, Madison, WI 53792, USA. Resveratrol (RES), a natural plant polyphenol, has gained interest as a nontoxic chemopreventive agent capable of inducing tumor cell death in a variety of cancer types. However, the early molecular mechanisms of RES-induced apoptosis are not well defined. Using the human breast cancer cell lines MDA-MB-231 and MCF-7, we demonstrate that RES is antiproliferative and induces apoptosis in a concentration- and time-dependent manner. Preceding apoptosis, RES instigates a rapid dissipation of mitochondrial membrane potential by directly targeting mitochondria. This is followed by release of cytochrome c and second mitochondria-derived activator of caspase/direct inhibitor of apoptosis-binding protein with low pI (Smac/DIABLO) into the cytoplasm and substantial increase in the activities of caspases-9 and -3 in MDA-MB-231 cells. In addition, live cell microscopy demonstrates that RES causes an early biphasic increase in the concentration of free intracellular calcium ([Ca2+]i), probably resulting from depletion of the endoplasmic reticulum stores in breast cancer cells. In caspase-3-deficient MCF-7 cells, apoptosis is mediated by the Ca2+-activated protease, calpain, leading to the degradation of plasma membrane Ca2+-ATPase isoform 1 and fodrin; the degradation is attenuated by buffering [Ca2+]i and blocked by calpain inhibitors. Mitochondrial permeability transition pore antagonists also blocked calpain activation. In vivo mouse xenograft studies demonstrate that RES treatment inhibits breast cancer growth with no systemic toxicities. Together, these results suggest a critical role for mitochondria not only in the intrinsic apoptotic pathway but also in the Ca2+ and calpain-dependent cell death initiated by RES. Thus, RES may prove useful as a nontoxic alternative for breast cancer treatment. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 13 2008, 10:06 PM |
| Great post, Diesel. That's good to know fenugreek extracts like testofen have built in protection against estrogen increases. The more I learn about this stuff, the more I like it! |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 14 2008, 11:43 AM |
| Diesel thanks for the great follow up Josh- thanks for the longjack info |
| Posted by: cody95596 Feb 14 2008, 03:19 PM |
| i noticed on the testofen page that there is no certificate of analysis, so is this testofen close to 100% extract or how much is active testofen? might be a dumb question, but jw. |
| Posted by: AdamGrossman Feb 18 2008, 11:53 AM |
| Yo Josh, seeing anything with the Testofen? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 18 2008, 12:46 PM | ||
Yeah, I'm noticing a difference, for sure. I've been on it for approx. two weeks now and am a lot more horny than usual, plus getting more random wood and back acne. For the price I really don't think you can beat this stuff. I plan to stay on for about a month and then give it a two week break and get back on it. |
| Posted by: AdamGrossman Feb 18 2008, 01:05 PM | ||||
Sweet dude. I'm definitely gonna pick some up. Did you cap your own or how do you dose it? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 18 2008, 06:41 PM | ||||||
I cap it myself w/ longjack and rhodiola. |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 22 2008, 02:14 PM |
| Josh how is it going with Testofen? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 22 2008, 03:44 PM | ||
Things seem the same as before, which is a plus since results have been positive. I'll def. be reordering this one. |
| Posted by: TheDiesel Feb 22 2008, 08:16 PM |
| Josh, I hate to say it, but rhodiola could be limiting some of the beneficial sides of testofen. |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 22 2008, 11:11 PM | ||
From my reading on and experience w/ rhodiola, I find it to be very beneficial. As far as whether it's synergistic or counterproductive to natural test. boosters, I would point to two things. Firstly, a few well respected products used as popular test. boosters (Activate Extreme, Leviathan Reloaded, Coq Diesel, etc.) contain rhodiola. I assume these companies put it in their formulas for good reason. Secondly, doing a quick google search, I came across the link below, which provides lots of good detail about the herb and gives references, cites studies, etc. In light of all that info, I'm pretty comfortable using rhodiola. http://www.rhodiolarosea.com/Articles/Herbalgram_Article_2002.html. Back to the issue of testofen, though. I mentioned intending to reorder when I came close to running out. I'll actually end up reordering much sooner, though, since I just found out about a pretty decent price per gram drop. Hopefully, more places will continue to stock it and the price will keep dropping! |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 26 2008, 11:01 AM |
| josh how is it going? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 26 2008, 12:55 PM | ||
Still enjoying this stuff. The acne has gotten a little worse, so that's a good sign. it's been popping up on the back and shoulders, mostly. |
| Posted by: LAC Feb 26 2008, 02:32 PM |
| how about libido/ercetion strength? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 26 2008, 07:03 PM | ||
Pretty much the same as it's been since about the two week mark. Random wood pops up a lot more often. That doesn't happen a whole lot in your mid thirties, so it's nice to have that effect. The wood I've been getting ha been better than usual, I would say. Sometimes the gf will walk by if I'm sitting down or laying on the couch and give me a grab. if I have wood or semi, she'll start asking q's like "What caused THIS???" Thinking I must've been dirty macking online or something if I happen to be at my desk. It's funny, but also fun to be in a situation where random wood has to be explained...lol. As I mentioned, I'm going to be ordering more soon, even though I'm not anywhere near out. I found a serious deal on the planet, so I'll be placing an order for that plus prob. some longjack and hgw, while I'm at it. |
| Posted by: cody95596 Feb 26 2008, 08:13 PM |
| hey josh, i saw that the planet was cheaper for testofen but it says its only 50%. is bulknutrition's 50% or almost 100%? |
| Posted by: accent115 Feb 26 2008, 08:17 PM |
| What's its consistency, i'm not much of a capper. Is it like rhadiola or like alcar? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Feb 26 2008, 09:07 PM |
| Testofen is standardized to contain a percentage of fenusides, which is the active constituent. I did a google search and found 50% fenusides in every formula I found. This included IDS, Jarrow and NP's bulk powder. BN doesn't list a standardized amount, but I'm pretty sure it'd be 50% fenuside extract, just because there doesn't seem to be any other concentration available out there. For instance, I see HGW standardized anywhere from 10-40% icariin. Longjack is another herbal that you see having a variety of concentrations. Testofen doesn't seem to be that way, so probably everyone's getting their's from the same source and just pricing it as they see fit. I'd just go w/ the best price per gram, personally. |
| Posted by: LAC Mar 3 2008, 09:23 AM |
| sounds like things are going well Any issue with estrogen or hair loss? |
| Posted by: DonDada Mar 3 2008, 11:05 AM |
| Josh, where did you get the LongJack powder? I don't see it on here. And what's the purpose of the Rhodiola? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Mar 3 2008, 05:29 PM |
| I haven't noticed any estrogen related sides or hair loss. I got it from NP. Rhodiola is a good adaptogenic herb that helps the body and mind adapt to stress and it also increases work capacity, boosts mood, etc. |
| Posted by: DonDada Mar 3 2008, 08:03 PM |
| One last question Josh, I just placed my orders so could you tell me how you dosed out each powder to make your 00 caps? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Mar 4 2008, 12:22 AM | ||
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| Posted by: DonDada Mar 4 2008, 10:37 AM |
| So it's just 1 cap 2x a day? |
| Posted by: cody95596 Mar 4 2008, 11:08 AM |
| yeah, the study says to take 300 mg. twice a day, 1 in the morning and 1 at night. |
| Posted by: DonDada Mar 7 2008, 01:02 PM |
| Josh, I received my orders today and I'm about to try this capping process. So 1/8tsp of both Testofen and Long Jack would give approx. 300 and 400mg respectively. But how do you get 50mg of rhodiola considering that 1/4tsp = 690mg? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Mar 7 2008, 07:38 PM | ||
1/4 tsp. of testo yields 500 mg. |
| Posted by: DonDada Mar 7 2008, 07:44 PM |
| the testo I picked up from NP is 750mg per 1/4 |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Mar 7 2008, 08:02 PM | ||
That's kind of a significant difference between the two for just 1/4 tsp. It's hard to believe there's THAT much variance between the two. I wonder which label is more accurate, in light of that. I'm gonna do some checking and see what I can find out. |
| Posted by: DonDada Mar 7 2008, 08:58 PM |
| It seems like bulk powders always do that. I've ordered Citrulline Mallate 3x and the first two were very close, but the last one said it was dosed much higher. I just don't understand how that's possible either. |
| Posted by: DonDada Mar 16 2008, 12:32 PM |
| any update on your usage Josh? |
| Posted by: Josh47933 Mar 16 2008, 10:17 PM |
| I ended up just staying on it, rather than breaking, as I was planning to do. At the price it goes for, I figure I can afford to stay on. Not a lot new to report, since I haven't been able to train for a couple of weeks. I had an umbilical hernia repaired two weeks ago, this coming tues. So, I've had to stay out of the gym entirely since then. On tues, It will have been two weeks, so I can start back with moderate cardio. In another two weeks, I can get back to weights, starting light and probably back to where I had been before in a couple more weeks. Luckily, my surgeon is a fitness enthusiast, so I was able to ask him a lot of specific questions about exactly what I can do and when. I'll stay on testo for the forseeable future and keep reporting how things go. I definitely like the stuff. It's pretty clear that it works and you just can't beat the price for bulk powder. |
| Posted by: LAC Apr 11 2008, 09:24 PM |
| Does Nutraplanet still carry Bulk Testofen? |
| Posted by: LAC Apr 11 2008, 09:58 PM |
| does Testofen increase DHT? |
| Posted by: fidoslim Apr 11 2008, 10:07 PM |
| does it help build muscle or just increase limbido. or ever how that is spelled |