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Posted: Aug 27 2004, 08:25 PM
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NO2 does work. I think that alot of people don't supp the correct way. So they don't see all of the potential results. It works for me as far as pumps and increasing my endurance. I usualy get about three to four more reps on an exercise than if I am off of it. also I seem to recover faster.
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Posted: Aug 27 2004, 08:30 PM
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QUOTE (Nor Cal Lifter @ Aug 27 2004, 08:25 PM)
NO2 does work. I think that alot of people don't supp the correct way. So they don't see all of the potential results. It works for me as far as pumps and increasing my endurance. I usualy get about three to four more reps on an exercise than if I am off of it. also I seem to recover faster.

You're right, arginine works, and it works very well.

The delivery system may not make a difference. And what do you mean by "don't supp the correct way"? Studies used between 6 and 12 grams of arginine daily over 2 doses. As long as people are getting that dose, it shouldn't matter if it is straight AAKG, AAKG in a delivery system, or AAKG wrapped in turkey bacon.


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Posted: Aug 27 2004, 11:43 PM
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Tha delivery system is key when dealing with arginine. Its life-span converted to NO in your body is like 3 seconds, unless it has a delivery system. Do tha research on that. NO2 by MRI is a sure thing.
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Posted: Aug 28 2004, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE (Medicated Angel @ Aug 27 2004, 11:43 PM)
Tha delivery system is key when dealing with arginine. Its life-span converted to NO in your body is like 3 seconds, unless it has a delivery system. Do tha research on that. NO2 by MRI is a sure thing.

No offense, but you couldn't be more incorrect.

The latest study on AAKG versus NO2 funded by MRI at Baylor University found NO difference between the two.

Don't make me post the study! biggrin.gif

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Posted: Aug 28 2004, 07:21 PM
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There are several studies sited in the NO2 book that contradict that.
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Posted: Aug 28 2004, 10:45 PM
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QUOTE (Prefontaine240 @ Aug 28 2004, 07:21 PM)
There are several studies sited in the NO2 book that contradict that.

But not on NO2 itself. This study I am referring to was done on said product and funded by said company. All of those studies in the book were done on arginine and they made theoretical jumps in conclusion, which were disproven in a study that THEY funded.

That book was a brilliant marketing piece. Arginine works, buy whatever product you want to buy. It's your cash.


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Posted: Aug 28 2004, 10:47 PM
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in any case NO2 is a big waste. Swole or V12 is a much better product period. Dont have to argue or prove you wrong just a thing that everybody would agree on

Train your muscles, not your ego. If you wanna be like an imal, you got to eat like one.
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Posted: Aug 29 2004, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE (LM1332 @ Aug 28 2004, 10:47 PM)
in any case NO2 is a big waste. Swole or V12 is a much better product period. Dont have to argue or prove you wrong just a thing that everybody would agree on

Does Swole even have AAKG in it?

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Posted: Aug 29 2004, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (LM1332 @ Aug 28 2004, 10:47 PM)
in any case NO2 is a big waste. Swole or V12 is a much better product period. Dont have to argue or prove you wrong just a thing that everybody would agree on

v12 has no2 in it, so you are contradicting yourself
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Posted: Aug 29 2004, 02:03 PM
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Swole definitely does not have AAKG in it
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Posted: Aug 29 2004, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Aug 29 2004, 02:00 PM)
QUOTE (LM1332 @ Aug 28 2004, 10:47 PM)
in any case NO2 is a big waste. Swole or V12 is a much better product period. Dont have to argue or prove you wrong just a thing that everybody would agree on

v12 has no2 in it, so you are contradicting yourself

No, V12 has AAKG in it--the active ingredient in NO2. I believe he meant that AAKG works no matter what and the added ingredients in V12 make it superior to NO2.

Or i may have misinterpretted it....

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Posted: Aug 29 2004, 06:37 PM
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QUOTE (Scivation @ Aug 29 2004, 05:23 PM)
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QUOTE (LM1332 @ Aug 28 2004, 10:47 PM)
in any case NO2 is a big waste. Swole or V12 is a much better product period. Dont have to argue or prove you wrong just a thing that everybody would agree on

v12 has no2 in it, so you are contradicting yourself

No, V12 has AAKG in it--the active ingredient in NO2. I believe he meant that AAKG works no matter what and the added ingredients in V12 make it superior to NO2.

Or i may have misinterpretted it....

AAKG=NO2
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Posted: Aug 30 2004, 12:21 PM
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QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Aug 29 2004, 06:37 PM)
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QUOTE (LM1332 @ Aug 28 2004, 10:47 PM)
in any case NO2 is a big waste. Swole or V12 is a much better product period. Dont have to argue or prove you wrong just a thing that everybody would agree on

v12 has no2 in it, so you are contradicting yourself

No, V12 has AAKG in it--the active ingredient in NO2. I believe he meant that AAKG works no matter what and the added ingredients in V12 make it superior to NO2.

Or i may have misinterpretted it....

AAKG=NO2

No.

NO2=AAKG + physer 3 delivery system


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QUOTE (Scivation @ Aug 30 2004, 12:21 PM)
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in any case NO2 is a big waste. Swole or V12 is a much better product period. Dont have to argue or prove you wrong just a thing that everybody would agree on

v12 has no2 in it, so you are contradicting yourself

No, V12 has AAKG in it--the active ingredient in NO2. I believe he meant that AAKG works no matter what and the added ingredients in V12 make it superior to NO2.

Or i may have misinterpretted it....

AAKG=NO2

No.

NO2=AAKG + physer 3 delivery system


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If its all the same why does one work better than another? like I noticed NO2 worked much better than NOX2, any thoughts?
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QUOTE (Prefontaine240 @ Aug 30 2004, 05:01 PM)
If its all the same why does one work better than another? like I noticed NO2 worked much better than NOX2, any thoughts?

Like I said, I believe this is all about tha delivery system. Like for instance...NEw Pump Tech holds NO into your blood stream from 6-8 hours. NO2 by MRI's studies shows it lasts from 8-12 hours.
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Did anyone notice that NO2 changed the name of their delivery system to phylex9. I don't know if this is new or they just changed the name.
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I thought phylex9 was what was going to be used on CE2, could be wrong.
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QUOTE (Medicated Angel @ Aug 30 2004, 05:04 PM)
QUOTE (Prefontaine240 @ Aug 30 2004, 05:01 PM)
If its all the same why does one work better than another? like I noticed NO2 worked much better than NOX2, any thoughts?

Like I said, I believe this is all about tha delivery system. Like for instance...NEw Pump Tech holds NO into your blood stream from 6-8 hours. NO2 by MRI's studies shows it lasts from 8-12 hours.

Wrong--the studies show otherwise.

It's all in the marketing.

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QUOTE (Medicated Angel @ Aug 30 2004, 05:04 PM)
NO2 by MRI's studies shows it lasts from 8-12 hours.

Please post this study and explain how it makes the arginine more effective.

I'll post my studies if you post yours. laugh.gif

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