250mg's of sustanon...

i'm a fan of low dose cycles... why go heavy if you don't need to?

250mg/wk WILL be enough for you to make gains on, however 300-400mg/wk would make the gains more dramatic.

for your first cycle, there's nothing wrong with Test by itself. this way you can get a feel for test, what it does for you, the results it produces, side effects, yada yada yada...

if you start stacking a bunch of stuff together without knowing how you respond to them individually, you could run into unexpected problems.


i'd stick with the sust250's by themselves.

shoot 1x/wk - 250mg/wk
shoot E5D - 350mg/wk
shoot E4D - 438mg/wk
shoot 2x/wk - 500mg/wk


at your size, 1st cycle i'd recommend popping 250mg sust every 4-5 days. get some anti-E's to have on hand incase you are really sensetive to estrogen and get your PCT lined up and then go for it.

what im saying is that by the end of the cycle, SHBG will be higher than it is at the beginning of the cycle. if you front load or "kickstart" you're kicking SHBG up much faster than it would if you just stuck with the 500mg/wk. SHBG will be higher for the duration of the cycle which will mean your getting less outta your juice. if you added an oral instead at the end of the cycle, you could ratchet up your gains and achieve MORE from the cycle.

example:

Cycle A:
wk 1-10 500mg/wk Test Cyp
wk 1-4 30mg/day Dbol

Cycle B:
wk 1-10 500mg/wk Test Cyp
wk 9-12 30mg/day Dbol

what i'm saying is that Cycle B >> Cycle A while utilizing the exact same amount of AAS. this same technique could be used with short esters, you'd just have to slide the oral in. if you were using prop 1-10, do the dbol 7-10.

do some reading on it... you'll find there's science, logic and reason to back up my position vs the "this is what i've always heard to do" of the frontload/kickstart

cool. if everything works out as planned, i'll be loggin this for sure.

i almost wish i never ran that Mdrol so i could get the ball rolling on this 1.

now its just a waiting game for me

Goods, PM sent.

what about sides?

Wow, I can't believe what I just read. I think I am more stupid from just reading it.

looks like a nice lean bulker. excellent choice

dont get greedy lol. no need for 3 compounds first cycle imo. you wont make much more gains than a test only cycle. the little extra gains you make wont be worth the extra $$$$. aas aint cheap these days.
but if u do decide on it then bump the test up like will said. u always wanna be running more test than any other compound. so 500mg test 400 eq for example.

with the cycle you laid out it's highly unlikely you'd need any arimidex... it doesn't hurt to have some around but it's not something you'll need regularly (if at all on this cycle)

and don't "kickstart" it's a waste of gear...

i gotta say, the advice you throw out in the illicits section is awful... it's obvious you're have very little (if any) experience with AAS.

you say no need for 3 compounds but in almost the same breath say to bump it up to 500mg test + 400 eq. thats 900mg/wk vs the 650mg/wk he had planned... a 50% increase in dosage.

you don't get inhertently more gains by using a higher # of compounds... you completely miss the point of stacking.

and i'd like to hear the reason you say "u always wanna be running more test than any other compound" b/c i really don't think you have a strong enough understanding of these compounds to back that statement up with any reasoning beyond "that's what i've heard people say"

first off u must of missed where i said "BUT if you decide on it.....". reread that please. i wasnt contradicting myself.

2nd off, where did i say the more # of compounds the more you gain?

3rd off, if you think you contribute soooooo much knowledge to this forum then why do you sit here and tell me im wrong but dont even say why im wrong. youre telling me im wrong for the hell of it. thats not contributing much info to the original poster. not helping anyone out really.
but anways my understanding of why you should run more test than other compounds is to avoid sides like loss of sex drive. usually you hear this when people run deca. everyone reacts different so its possible with any compound including eq.

now you got 2 options SDF, you can come back and make another useless post by telling me im wrong without backing yourself up with useful info. or you can leave your ego out of this and correct me if i wrong but dont insult me like i know nothing. we are all here trying to learn, i never said anywhere that i know more than you or anyone about AAS.