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| QUOTE (typeRob @ Nov 17 2007, 04:27 PM) | | do you honestly think you will ever have the need to use your concealed gun? imo you are more likely to get shot at by a criminal if he knows you are armed than if he knows you arent. just my 2ml |
i know what youre saying- but the point of the concealed permit is to legally carry it without other ppl's knowledge. it's actually legal for most anyone to carry a gun on their hip, in plain view, as long as it isnt considered "brandishing." and i understand that i will most likely (and hopefully) never use a gun on anyone. BUT i would have a hard time living with myself if there happened to be a mass shooting and i was ill prepared. just a few months ago, some student from congo or some shit was planning a columbine scenario at my school. his roommates turned him in and the police found 3 ak-47s, thousands of rounds, explosive devices, and tons of underground footage of homicides, etc. if just ONE of the teachers or students during the v-tech shooting had a gun- he coulda at least kept that asian dude down long enough for the police to arrive if not ended the whole deal
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| QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:23 AM) | | QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 16 2007, 03:50 PM) | | You know better than to make a statement like that without proof to back it up. |
of course i do... who the f do you think you're talking to here?  of course i've posted all this data before, just nobody takes the time to look at it... FACT: People with concealed carry permits are(34): • 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public • 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public FACT: In Texas, citizens with concealed carry permits are 14 times less likely to commit a crime. They are also five times less likely to commit a violent crime.(35) FACT: Even gun control organizations agree it is a non-problem, as in Texas – “because there haven't been Wild West shootouts in the streets”.(36) FACT: Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm. FACT: In Florida, a state that has allowed concealed carry since 1989, you are twice as likely to be attacked by an alligator than a person with a concealed carry permit.(37) (34) William Strdevant, unpublished study reported in August 2000 edition of America’s 1st Freedom(35) Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express - News, September, 2000 (36) Nina Butts, Texans Against Gun Violence, Dallas Morning News, August 10, 2000 (37) Florida Department of State, “Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report”, 1998 – Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission, December 1998 |
Wow, how amazing you got your "facts" from anti gun control groups.
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| QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:10 PM) |
Wow, how amazing you got your "facts" from anti gun control groups. |
so you completely ignored these two? (35) Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau , reported in San Antonio Express - News, September, 2000 (37) Florida Department of State , “Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report”, 1998 – Florida Game and Fresh Water Fish Commission, December 1998 or are you insinuating that these are anti gun control groups?
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two can play this game " In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)" " American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)" "In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)" Im sure all these deaths are justified by the off chance you as a civilian might get to gun down a bad guy in the State of texas 
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| QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:38 PM) | | QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:12 PM) | | Maybe if you didn't feel so inferior about yourself, you wouldn't need to carry a gun, to feel powerful. |
why do you assume it's to feel powerful, or that someone carries a gun b/c they feel inferior?
do you not have a spare tire in your car, or a fire extenguisher in your home?
it's something you hope you never HAVE to use, but if you need it you'll be damn glad you had it.
your remarks are very naive.
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No one uses a tire, or fire extinguisher for sport, or fun, or kill things. Don't even compare the two. Anyone who "needs" to carry a gun with them at all time, is clearly compensating for some perceived inadequacy.
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| QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:37 PM) | | QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:23 AM) |
FACT: People with concealed carry permits are(34):
• 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public
• 13.5 times less likely to be arrested for non-violent offenses than the general public
(34) William Strdevant, unpublished study reported in August 2000 edition of America’s 1st Freedom
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Amazing, the "facts" that support your claim that people who own guns, stop crime, are from a pro gun group.
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the 2nd FACT i listed showed the exact same data and was reported by the Texas Department of Public Safety. and it doesn't say that these people "stop crime", it says that they are LESS LIKELY THAN THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO COMMIT CRIMES. you should do less typing and more reading...
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| QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:42 PM) | | QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:38 PM) | | QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:12 PM) | | Maybe if you didn't feel so inferior about yourself, you wouldn't need to carry a gun, to feel powerful. |
why do you assume it's to feel powerful, or that someone carries a gun b/c they feel inferior?
do you not have a spare tire in your car, or a fire extenguisher in your home?
it's something you hope you never HAVE to use, but if you need it you'll be damn glad you had it.
your remarks are very naive.
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No one uses a tire, or fire extinguisher for sport, or fun, or kill things. Don't even compare the two. Anyone who "needs" to carry a gun with them at all time, is clearly compensating for some perceived inadequacy. |
LMAO your logic is so flawed...
the people who LEGALLY carry guns aren't the type of people who are just waiting for the chance to gun someone down as you'd like to think. it's the people who aren't willing to allow themselves to become victims of circumstance.... just the same reason people have spare tires and fire extenguishers, etc...
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| QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 05:40 PM) | " In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)"
" American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)"
"In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)" |
AZFit....clearly these children are being killed by illegal aliens carrying unlicensed guns. 
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| QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:46 PM) | | QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:42 PM) | | QUOTE (sdf42450 @ Nov 17 2007, 05:38 PM) | | QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:12 PM) | | Maybe if you didn't feel so inferior about yourself, you wouldn't need to carry a gun, to feel powerful. |
why do you assume it's to feel powerful, or that someone carries a gun b/c they feel inferior?
do you not have a spare tire in your car, or a fire extenguisher in your home?
it's something you hope you never HAVE to use, but if you need it you'll be damn glad you had it.
your remarks are very naive.
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No one uses a tire, or fire extinguisher for sport, or fun, or kill things. Don't even compare the two. Anyone who "needs" to carry a gun with them at all time, is clearly compensating for some perceived inadequacy. |
LMAO your logic is so flawed...
the people who LEGALLY carry guns aren't the type of people who are just waiting for the chance to gun someone down as you'd like to think. it's the people who aren't willing to allow themselves to become victims of circumstance.... just the same reason people have spare tires and fire extenguishers, etc...
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I think alot of them, including you, secretly think of themselves as Dirty Harry. My logic isn't flawed at all, im just not a coward who needs a gun to feel safe.
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| QUOTE (JW32Hoops @ Nov 17 2007, 05:46 PM) | | QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 05:40 PM) | " In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)"
" American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)"
"In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)" |
AZFit....clearly these children are being killed by illegal aliens carrying unlicensed guns. |
But if PJLLama was there with his assault rifle, clearly he'd gun down those illegally gun toting Illegal Aliens.
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| QUOTE (azfittrainer @ Nov 17 2007, 04:40 PM) | two can play this game
" In a single year, 3,012 children and teens were killed by gunfire in the United States, according to the latest national data released in 2002. That is one child every three hours; eight children every day; and more than 50 children every week. And every year, at least 4 to 5 times as many kids and teens suffer from non-fatal firearm injuries. (Children's Defense Fund and National Center for Health Statistics)"
" American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States. (Centers for Disease Control)"
"In one year, more children and teens died from gunfire than from cancer, pneumonia, influenza, asthma, and HIV/AIDS combined. (Children's Defense Fund)"
Im sure all these deaths are justified by the off chance you as a civilian might get to gun down a bad guy in the State of texas |
what GAME are you talking about? this whole thread is about someone using the legally carried firearm to defend their personal safety...
as for your facts, your statistic includedes “children” up to age 19 or 24, (depending on the source). Since most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, these numbers include adult gang members dying during criminal activity(99)
(incidentally, ‘child’ is defined by Webster as a person between birth and puberty,
typically 13-14 years).
(99) FBI Uniform Crime Statistics, 1997
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